VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[armion82]

I wonder how will go the thread,if he was still releasing a full day for each update.
Imagine that-waiting 10-20 months for a single update.

 

[passionatefanlust]

I wonder how will go the thread,if he was still releasing a full day for each update.
Imagine that-waiting 10-20 months for a single update.

It's hard to release a full day in a proper amount of time when you develop the game on the weekends because you have a full time job on weekdays

 

[XaGnard]

Realism was an avowed aim of AWAM from day 1 & there was absolutely no need whatsoever to dilute the level that was achieved in the early days. Attempting a sense of realism was one of the aspects of L&P's production that made it a cut above the average. This veneer of realism was not that of a soap opera, or in the "kitchen sink drama" style but was rather along the lines of the 'realistic' weathering on vehicles in Star Wars films, where strange fictional stuff might be happening on distant worlds but at least it looks believable. That's not boring IMO. What is excruciatingly boring is the endless parade of nymphos, bimbos, simple one-track minded horny sons lusting after their own mothers, the beach-ball smuggling "Moms" themselves, racial stereotypes, e.g. how many more BBCs?, hideously bad bosses, horse-cocks & 'inner thoughts' along the lines of, "why does this feel so good, when I know it's so wrong?" There are many more choice standard "items" but suffice to say, no wonder I've deleted all but 2 or 3 3D porn games.

3D Porn today has descended into an unimaginative abyss where characters have become stereotyped & exaggerated. They even tend to follow certain repetitive patterns of behaviour, so much so that some could be interchangeable between games, without any appreciable hiccup. Sadly, by now, it seems this is what 'the public' expects & on occasion, even demands, because it's familiar & probably comforting in some odd way. I would contend that there are many members of 'the public' who do not require these things. There are others amongst 'the public', like me, who would count it fortunate if they never saw any more. Repetitiveness was another good reason to delete numerous games. It's all about consumer, (even pirate consumer) choice.

AWAM arrived in this melee like an innovative example of "The New." It began to show what could be achieved in the 3D porn genre, if a Dev was prepared to raise his game. Quality of renders was outstanding & the writing ranged between acceptable & good. Even stock 3D porn characters were made more interesting & engaging. Patricia was/is a case in point, being more than just another 'too sexy' Aunt figure but someone with her own personality & back-story. This approach was apparent for most of the main actors. People cared about the characters & their stories/routes. Fans became involved with the VN. Indeed, 'the future looked bright, the future looked AWAM.'

So, what the hell happened? We all think we know. What I think I know would take another too long post & would be a marginally bigger waste of time than my above comments.

Unnecessary side stories (like the two side jobs) and constant repetition of the same story idea, only with different participants, do not make a game more realistic, but only delay the necessarily unrealistic parts of the game. Whether the game will become more realistic is impossible to say at this stage of development, because virtually nothing of the story has really been told yet. So far, L&P has put a lot of work into introducing constantly more side stories and further characters. The events in which the story has gone a little further have often contained nonsensical behaviour or complete illogic elements. Take the whole story line around Aiden as an example. All his events are so twisted and implausible that I really wonder why some people here still pretend that L&P is particularly gifted when it comes to realism. Other story elements, such as the sex-ed with the children, the train mugging and the mafia boss who sends the MC to jail to show her boobs, etc. are just as unrealistic as in other games.

 

[Alley_Cat]

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Are you seriously that desperate to prove your point you're using fan art instead of actual in-game content? That render is from Pixil's fan art game, not this one.

I wonder how will go the thread,if he was still releasing a full day for each update.
Imagine that-waiting 10-20 months for a single update.

Don't need to imagine, I and other Ellie and Patricia fans are waiting 10-20 months for a single update right now

 

[ancienregimele]

Unnecessary side stories (like the two side jobs) and constant repetition of the same story idea, only with different participants, do not make a game more realistic, but only delay the necessarily unrealistic parts of the game. Whether the game will become more realistic is impossible to say at this stage of development, because virtually nothing of the story has really been told yet. So far, L&P has put a lot of work into introducing constantly more side stories and further characters. The events in which the story has gone a little further have often contained nonsensical behaviour or complete illogic elements. Take the whole story line around Aiden as an example. All his events are so twisted and implausible that I really wonder why some people here still pretend that L&P is particularly gifted when it comes to realism. Other story elements, such as the sex-ed with the children, the train mugging and the mafia boss who sends the MC to jail to show her boobs, etc. are just as unrealistic as in other games.

It was easier, IMO, to introduce rank upon rank of new characters, 2 side jobs & duplicate storylines, than to write a consistent & timely erotic narrative, which I know from experience is not as easy as it looks. There's always the received wisdom that the Dev wanted to include as many kinks as possible & that has been used to justify the ironic situation of fans with POVs like mine having to watch the actual corruption in real time, (a very, very long, slow real time), of a fictional corruption game.

Re-reading my previous post it's apparent that these days even I'm losing sight of the fact that this wasn't meant to be straightforward porn but genuine eroticism. Hence the now infamous "slow-burn." Ordinary porn holds no charms for me because I've been there, done that & damn near worn out the T-shirt. It's usually badly written & boring & in the case of the UK downright comedic but not actually funny. Erotic stories, on the other hand, can be inventive, are often very well written & take the reader on a journey where all kinds of things are possible & can be made to seem plausible. Some folks might think it's the best kind of escapism.

IMO, AWAM was definitely a well-crafted erotic tale when it started out & I can only speculate as to why this standard & yes, 'realism', wasn't maintained. There was a time when it looked, IMO, as though AWAM could become the great erotic 3D rendered story of the first quarter of the century. At last the resources available to the creators in 3D were being put to the best kind of use. This gradually ceased to be the case & though I can only speculate about the reasons, I believe I can make some pretty accurate educated guesses, all of which would go down like a lead balloon with many fans, whether true or not.

As for the specifics, I've commented several times on my belief that the 2 side jobs need to go, that duplicate storylines could be shut down, some characters written out, etc. Any & all suggestions from a pirate are "guaranteed", as in guaranteed to be totally ignored. When it comes to Aiden, I have defended this route until I'm blue in the balls & won't repeat myself. Suffice to say, however, that I was a proponent of Bennett as being the right pantomime villain people could love to hate. Frankly, I prefer Sophia dealing with & interacting with, other adults. It turned out that Mr. Bennett was so grossly unpopular, especially with those who didn't want their 'goddess' sullied by any 'nasty' man, (& this in an incest-ridden corruption story FFS), that his being written out was telegraphed by the Dev years before it was due to happen. Now to the present, Aiden & blackmail haters can be free of what they don't like, (unlike incest ignorers) but I don't really expect him back at all. Five years is a very long time in the gaming world & AFAIC, he's gone.

So, AWAM has become yet another porn game & is aiming for 2 records, i.e. longest lasting & slowest in continuous development but what about the realism?

 

[Alley_Cat]

It was easier, IMO, to introduce rank upon rank of new characters, 2 side jobs & duplicate storylines, than to write a consistent & timely erotic narrative, which I know from experience is not as easy as it looks. There's always the received wisdom that the Dev wanted to include as many kinks as possible & that has been used to justify the ironic situation of fans with POVs like mine having to watch the actual corruption in real time, (a very, very long, slow real time), of a fictional corruption game.

Re-reading my previous post it's apparent that these days even I'm losing sight of the fact that this wasn't meant to be straightforward porn but genuine eroticism. Hence the now infamous "slow-burn." Ordinary porn holds no charms for me because I've been there, done that & damn near worn out the T-shirt. It's usually badly written & boring & in the case of the UK downright comedic but not actually funny. Erotic stories, on the other hand, can be inventive, are often very well written & take the reader on a journey where all kinds of things are possible & can be made to seem plausible. Some folks might think it's the best kind of escapism.

IMO, AWAM was definitely a well-crafted erotic tale when it started out & I can only speculate as to why this standard & yes, 'realism', wasn't maintained. There was a time when it looked, IMO, as though AWAM could become the great erotic 3D rendered story of the first quarter of the century. At last the resources available to the creators in 3D were being put to the best kind of use. This gradually ceased to be the case & though I can only speculate about the reasons, I believe I can make some pretty accurate educated guesses, all of which would go down like a lead balloon with many fans, whether true or not.

As for the specifics, I've commented several times on my belief that the 2 side jobs need to go, that duplicate storylines could be shut down, some characters written out, etc. Any & all suggestions from a pirate are "guaranteed", as in guaranteed to be totally ignored. When it comes to Aiden, I have defended this route until I'm blue in the balls & won't repeat myself. Suffice to say, however, that I was a proponent of Bennett as being the right pantomime villain people could love to hate. Frankly, I prefer Sophia dealing with & interacting with, other adults. It turned out that Mr. Bennett was so grossly unpopular, especially with those who didn't want their 'goddess' sullied by any 'nasty' man, (& this in an incest-ridden corruption story FFS), that his being written out was telegraphed by the Dev years before it was due to happen. Now to the present, Aiden & blackmail haters can be free of what they don't like, (unlike incest ignorers) but I don't really expect him back at all. Five years is a very long time in the gaming world & AFAIC, he's gone.

So, AWAM has become yet another porn game & is aiming for 2 records, i.e. longest lasting & slowest in continuous development but what about the realism?

I was musing on the Bennett blackmail with "realism" coming up again, and it occured to me that perhaps he was just introduced too early. I'm beginning to think it could have been far more impactful if Dylan only failed the test on say PD23, and for the deadline still to be PD24. That way many of my objections about accepting his "proposal" wouldn't be at all relevant. For example, Dylan would have had the time to adjust to the new content that Bennett was teaching. And Sophia wouldn't have had the time to approach Mrs Torres and go to the school board.

Bennett would also have the time to properly seduce Sophia, instead of just coming off as a creep and a sleaze. He could have "innocently" raised concerns that Dylan wasn't doing as well as he could have, so that when Bennett springs the trap and fails Dylan, it doesn't just look like a ploy to get into Sophia's panties.

 

[ancienregimele]

I was musing on the Bennett blackmail with "realism" coming up again, and it occured to me that perhaps he was just introduced too early. I'm beginning to think it could have been far more impactful if Dylan only failed the test on say PD23, and for the deadline still to be PD24. That way many of my objections about accepting his "proposal" wouldn't be at all relevant. For example, Dylan would have had the time to adjust to the new content that Bennett was teaching. And Sophia wouldn't have had the time to approach Mrs Torres and go to the school board.

Bennett would also have the time to properly seduce Sophia, instead of just coming off as a creep and a sleaze. He could have "innocently" raised concerns that Dylan wasn't doing as well as he could have, so that when Bennett springs the trap and fails Dylan, it doesn't just look like a ploy to get into Sophia's panties.

I agree with the "too early" statement. Many fans at the time, were not ready for blackmail of any kind. (Despite this element being present in most corruption games). Sophia was (& by some still is), considered an inviolable figure on a pedestal. Bennett could have provided a more sophisticated approach to the whole blackmail route, if he'd been given a chance. Elaborate scenarios, like task 3, most excellent as it was, would not necessarily have been required. Fans disgusted by the groping at gang HQ would never have needed to see it. There are still fans who play a corruption game but don't want too much corruption, or only want it to correlate precisely with their own kinks. I understand this POV but I don't empathise. I've assumed that they must have influenced L&P.

So, Bennett is a sleaze-ball & that's the point but had the episode been written as you suggest, he would have been a clever, devious, thinking, plotting sleaze-ball, instead of just an obvious, big-headed, entitled prick.

So much of AWAM could do with an overhaul but it's just been allowed to spiral into something resembling a plate of spaghetti & we all know it's true potential will never be realised. We need something similar to AWAM but with less complexity & timely, regular updates. I'll try to remember this next time I'm at a wishing well.

 

[NykWolf]

Are you seriously that desperate to prove your point you're using fan art instead of actual in-game content? That render is from Pixil's fan art game, not this one.

Don't need to imagine, I and other Ellie and Patricia fans are waiting 10-20 months for a single update right now

It was more than two years ago.While was the last scene with Ellie. And probably it will be 3 years when we get the Ellie update.

Seriously I love this game and I respect the creator but honestly.. Adding Dylan as a second MC so he will have much content is a joke to Ellie's fans. I know that he won but just because he was 50 points more than Ellie so she deserves to be separated on minimum or added to him and his story like a toy who can fuck?

 

[AliceFsher]

It was more than two years ago.While was the last scene with Ellie. And probably it will be 3 years when we get the Ellie update.

Seriously I love this game and I respect the creator but honestly.. Adding Dylan as a second MC so he will have much content is a joke to Ellie's fans. I know that he won but just because he was 50 points more than Ellie so she deserves to be separated on minimum or added to him and his story like a toy who can fuck?

is Dylan going to be a second main character now?? i mean, is it official???

 

[NykWolf]

is Dylan going to be a second main character now?? i mean, is it official???

I Ask him because after two years I lived in hope that after "Dylan" day will be Ellie day as the second the most favourite character and He said yes we get one and half scene and Dylan get most scene in the day because he's like second MC..

 

[Lezgin]

We are waiting for an update on July 10, my calculations turned out to be correct

 

[Alley_Cat]

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I Ask him because after two years I lived in hope that after "Dylan" day will be Ellie day as the second the most favourite character and He said yes we get one and half scene and Dylan get most scene in the day because he's like second MC..

PD16 is known as Ellie day, since it's the day with the most Ellie events - "several", going by the roadmap L&P gave us 3-odd years ago. Also happens to be the day the Ellie route branches into three, and the day of the "wild" event. I had thought the "wild" event was going to be Sophia/Ellie until Old Dog asked L&P if it was a hetero event or not, which it appears to be.

How many is "several", we'll probably only know when the event list for PD16 comes out. But from memory the most amount of events Ellie has on any other day is 2, so "several" could be as little as 3, which is a bit of a disgrace since it's less than half of the Dylan events for PD13, and we don't even know of there is a day he doesn't have more. On his roadmap we're only told if he has events on a particular day or not, so in the future it's entirely possible to have a day with more Dylan events than Sophia

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

is Dylan going to be a second main character now?? i mean, is it official???

Dylan is considered the 2nd MC in the novel.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Ahi ahi no %

 

[AliceFsher]

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I Ask him because after two years I lived in hope that after "Dylan" day will be Ellie day as the second the most favourite character and He said yes we get one and half scene and Dylan get most scene in the day because he's like second MC..

eww that sucks

 

[NykWolf]

PD16 is known as Ellie day, since it's the day with the most Ellie events - "several", going by the roadmap L&P gave us 3-odd years ago. Also happens to be the day the Ellie route branches into three, and the day of the "wild" event. I had thought the "wild" event was going to be Sophia/Ellie until Old Dog asked L&P if it was a hetero event or not, which it appears to be.

How many is "several", we'll probably only know when the event list for PD16 comes out. But from memory the most amount of events Ellie has on any other day is 2, so "several" could be as little as 3, which is a bit of a disgrace since it's less than half of the Dylan events for PD13, and we don't even know of there is a day he doesn't have more. On his roadmap we're only told if he has events on a particular day or not, so in the future it's entirely possible to have a day with more Dylan events than Sophia

PD16? Why I was thinking that is PD14? Eh nevermind So my game will be like... "Sophia teaching and rest in home in calm" and game over because I don't have route with Dylan and get him out of the house soon as possible and don't give him any chance to touch Sophia. Good to know.

And the most scene with Ellie and probably only 3? If it will happen or will be added into Dylan story I end with this game. This game is amazing because of many ways and that you can choose. So my choice is Ellie, girls and Sam with Morello.

 

[itsjasey]

Will there be any fabric touching in this update? My latest fetish is it!

 

[Journey95]

Dylan is a creep honestly. I'm usually up for some mother/son incest in these games but I don't like his character design or personality.

Ellie is by far superior with a more interesting personality and better chemistry with Sophia. We need more content for her again, her scenes have been the best so far.

 

[OEJ]

Enough Personal attacks and name calling you can discuss about the game but be a bit civil. lot of messages also got yeeted as a part of the cleanup.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I'm just happy that none of the yeeted messages were mine.