- May 23, 2017
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For the n-th time: cut the pledges drastically with a clear message it's due to the work pace.
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I’m not sure if that would work either. If that would happen, he would probably slow down even further, stoper’s territory, as he would have to find another income source, which may eventually lead to closing up shop.
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I very precisely remember seeing comments on 10 minutes of content for that update. That is undeniable and it happens for every update he makes. Whether it is the Aiden gang update of 140 renders or the next Sam update with 450 renders. All people take is 5 minutes to complete it as they say. Which is just tiring to hear again and again.If I recall, I don't think they were complaining about the 10 mins of content over the content itself. Most people were not happy about what took place with the 997 renders v0.130. It was mostly a tease model with some fabric rubbing and skin touch during certain scenes with Sophia. Also, Isn't that the Mach 5 scene with the second side job, after they only meet the day prior?
But overall, look how long this is taken to get here, wherever this is???... I mean, he posts 2 hetero-sex scenes within the next 4 PDs, and it appears he's only going to complete update 5 on this PD this year, and he still has five more to go, and he's been on this PD for almost over a year now. So it looks like the 2 hetero scenes alone will be from 2023 to 2033 (projection) if he even makes it that far. People are getting fed up with the lack of content when the only sex scenes in the game are between Sophia and Liam, Amber & Neil, and Aiden, Andre, and Jennifer after five years.
and I forgot..... "ANTONIO"
It takes years to make a movie which lasts 2 hrs. It takes months on end with multiple artists to make 1 episode in animation which takes 20 minutes to finish. Infact there are even sequences where just 2-3 minutes of 2d animation took over 3 months, but atleast the people respected that effort and quality there. It takes and artist a month or more to make 25 pages of a manga or comic which is finished in 10 minutes. So it is incredibly disrespectful in my opinion to keep saying that it is only 5 minutes of content as derogatory remark when a person has put in months of work into something and it is actually good for what it trying to be.
Regarding that update, anyone who expected more than what happened was clearly not following the game. Aiden's art class was definitely recognised as one of the best scenes on the game, it was sensual and did a magnificent job at setting up and playing out the scene. Aiden groped her, she was exhibting herself infront of complete strangers far away from town. She was looking incredible. A pretty well done scene all in all.
Lastly i couldn't care less about sex scenes. If majority here consider only sex scenes as content then that's really their problem. When L&P's intent is to show more sensual scenes than brutal fucking then the audience playing the game should gauge their expectations.
People who are complaining and blaming it in the dev about not getting any content in their routes, whose fault is it really. If the player is going to be choosy then he has to pay the price. This is just 1 dev making a project catering to fetishes of 1000+ people. I haven't had an update where I didn't get content. I am not choosy. It is not like the dev is not working, it is just that what the dev is making is not to your interest.
Secondly a big factor that needs to be considered is the size of the scenes. L&P's pace is just below average when compared to majority devs but his scenes are huge.
Entire Playable days infact 2 PD sometimes in other games are shorter than the next Sam Event of 450 renders. Ofcourse it is going to take L&P much longer to complete a Playable Day. Had it been some other game, even if we use Jessica O'Neil as an example L&P would have completed 5-6 Playable Days of it in One year. The scope is huge for one man that is undeniably true, but at the same time it shouldn't mean that he drops his vision and reduces the scope just to put out a medicore product which won't even be talked about 1 day later.
- Nov 1, 2017
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I get what you're saying and I liked your post because I generally agree with you, however, the problem is how long you have to wait to see a follow-up to something. There are too many characters and I personally think things should have been followed up on quicker, like the bikini show with Sam and Dylan, there is no way both of them don't try to see what else Sophia would do after that.
Also, no follow-up to Ellie and Julia's stuff, Sophia literally allowed Julia to do a lot to her but no follow-up, then there is the maid, the tutoring, the old guys, Aiden's stuff, the guys who tried to rape her and Patricia shot, the museum guys date, Alyssa and Zach. There is Patricia stuff as well, who I can't even remember the last scene she was in, then Claire and her daughter as well, just WAY too much.
I get that the playable days aren't the same as real-time (of course), but the way AWAM is set up means by the time things get followed up, it's been over a year or close to it.
Also, I going to say this for the first time in this thread, I really don't think L&P needs to make as many renders for each scene as he does, and, I'm not convinced he actually does make the number of renders he claims he does.
I still enjoy AWAM but I do see its major flaws, more time passes, the more the flaws become the thing people remember.
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You know what, I'm going to back you up on this. I see a lot of armchair "He should be doing X", or "Why is it taking Y amount of time?". Well, by all mean, face palmers, get your lazy ass out there and be somebody, if you're such an expert on how long development should take. You've clearly got a lock on VN development, so go show L&P up at at his own game, and make a bunch of money in the process. I triple-dog dare you.
If you're currently supporting him, quit supporting him if you're not happy, and if you're not supporting him, quit bitching, because you're not losing anything in this equation. I'm just getting really tired of watching the same line of discussion looping in this stupid thread, and I'm definitely taking an extended break from this community after this update. I'm talking months, if not years.
- May 23, 2017
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That's the point of the standoff: who blinks first. I think it's definitely worth it. Either he finally starts to act like a semi-serious adult entrepreneur, or he starts looking for a nine-to-five. I wouldn't be so sure if that's something very much to his liking... I know I would never hire anyone with his attitude.
- Sep 23, 2020
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I wasn't there on the thread at that time, so i have only heard this, anyone on the thread from that time with more insight can correct me on this.
Stoper who is the dev of Jessica O'Neil also said that L&P's pace is really bad, he is liar and milking people and so on. He went on to make his own high quality game to prove his point. While the game is visually great on par with Awam but the pace is terrible. It is going to be 9 months soon, from the last update and even then the expected size of the update is around 450-500 some renders with some animations.
So essentially he became almost 3 times slower than L&P while making a game with lesser characters and storylines and also a smaller scope.
true... I already said that... L&P still is passionate about the game as well as milking patreons... but stoper completely lost his interest about the game, he is just trying to get in the game, but not working for him...
- Sep 23, 2020
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While i can understand why you feel this way about the follow up, essentially it isn't a flaw of the game but of the development pace. Like if we look at just from the in game perspective Patricia and Sophia were together just last night in the club dancing sensually with each other. Patricia will be there next day as well. And PD 15 is all hers.Patricia was there on PD 11, PD 12, PD 13, PD 15.
Bikini show has basically been followed with Sam making a big leap with Day 18 and then the Day 19 event in the Jacuzzi plus today as well will be huge. Dylan got to change with Sophia and then grab her butt and the upcoming events will be huge. So Day 17 bikini show and then the Day 18, 19, 20, 21 all having Dylan events.
Ofcourse something like the bikini can't be done again in such less time in the game. It has been only 2 days since then.
Julia Ellie we do get another mention on Day 19 after the event with Julia on Day 18. We here more about the things Ellie and Julia do together in the shower if i remember right.
The maid only comes thrice a week if remember right. She has already come to her house 3 times. So she will only appear next week. The Thugs have been stated to comeback only towards the end of the game. They didn't even have a storyline, just 2 events. The old guys also will be seen Next day. We see them in Day 19 and then on Day 21. Sophia only goes to them 2-3 times a week again. That's the number of days she has to be on the job.
People even say Liam is not there at all but in the game despite working day and night he did take his family to the beach on Day 16 and then the casino with Sophia. On Day 18 Sophia and Liam can have sex and Similarly on Day 19 as well. We are currently on Day 20. In their world Liam took out his family just 4 days ago, spends time with Sophia as well and can have sex with her on Day 18 which is just 2 days ago.
i do believe that reducing the render count will reduce the appeal of the scenes. Imagine will the Art class, Nathalie massage, Julia Sophia makeout, Sam Sophia Jaccuzi, the Bikini Show. Will any of these scenes be even nearly as erotic or engaging and liked if they were just 100-150 renders. So the real problem isn't in the story, it is just the development time.
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No.I bet he means Hugo de Rune.
The kid is the new Starchild or Kieran that is fucking every famous female character from the games.
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This should happen between Sophia and someone who's not her husband or her son
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This is like saying why dont reviewers (food, movie, games, pc parts, cars, whatever else) go make the thing they are reviewing instead of bitching about it. What kind of lazy criticism is that? If the dev cant take the criticism then too fucking bad, if the pledges drop then too fucking bad. If everyone goes and makes the thing they want to like, instead of just consuming/supporting it then guess what happens $$$$ go way down.
This is a forum for discussion, not a place to endless praise the dev. When the dev does good things people do praise that shit, but like is that all you expect?
- Nov 1, 2017
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as I said in my original post, I'm aware it's only been a short time in-game days but so what, people only care about how long it actually been in real time and I don't blame them. Some of the people you're talking about aren't going to be seen again till late 2023 or even 2024, which is not good.
Also, I know Dylan and Sam have individually been followed up but I meant collectively together, we haven't seen Dylan and Sam together after the bikini show, personally, they would totally be together plotting their next move.
You might be right on the render count and scenes maybe not be as good. However, you can still achieve a lot with fewer renders and there no denying it would speed things up.
Personally, I think there was no need for the art class, L&P could've saved a lot of time by not doing that scene. It introduced even more characters into a novel that already got too many characters, this is what I mean, he spends so much time doing renders he probably doesn't actually need to do and it slows everything up more.
It's not an easy thing to make VN's and get it right and admittedly not sure there is a perfect way to develop a VN like AWAM. It does have major flaws regarding how long in real time it takes to cycle back around to characters and follow up, by the time L&P does, people have forgotten wtf happened before with the character, that is a major problem and a legit complaint people have.
- Apr 23, 2017
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There's no denying that people complained about the 10 mins reading, and most people tab through the content to get to the spicy scenes. But I remember that most people complained about the lack of progression with the 997 renders. It's a slow-burn novel, but you can't say that when you have scenes like the second side job taking off as it did and try to maintain that the novel is a slow-burn novel. That contradicts his statement that Sophia has to take it slow for the corruption process to work. Several scenes in the book make no sense based on the outline of the story and the comments made by him, which is why his communication skills are bad.
Once again, this is not a movie, and you can't compare this to a film because of the number of people involved in the movie's production. This is a visual novel that one person (speculation/claim he has some help) is only producing. Now, if L&P has a mindset of treating this like a movie, I can see the problem: organization skills. I don't want to dive deep into this topic because it's been discussed here numerous times already, but as big as his project is, you can compare it to large restaurant staff; one person alone can't be the chef, waiter, host, the hand-washer of dishes, bartender, and the cashier and think the restaurant is going to operate efficiently for a large group of people. L&P should have started small enough to handle his workload of making created scenes, rendering, and writing, several artists/game designers on this site started small and expanded after L&P started his novel, and now they are well beyond his member count of his. Then expand from that point on when he could have found the resources to work with his novel. But that might be impossible because of his trust factor with people. So that brings him back to a large novel produced by only one person.
Now to give him some credit, some scenes are well-written and follow a good chronological sequence, but others are on the side of the WTF spectrum. Some examples are Aiden's scenes, although some of the blackmail seems far-fetched, Sam's scenes, and Patricia's scenes (not many but has a logical sense to them.), Nathalie scene's. Ellie's scene is somewhat weird in the sense of L&P's incest comment but yet she made it as far as she did in the timeframe she did it in. Still, the scenes are not bad overall as they have a chronological sense to them, now that he's no longer going to do time-lapses as the pace has to pick up. But then we get into the areas of the story where there is a WTF. For Example, The first one, Dylan's story, had no advancement in it until PD 12 during the park scene, in which most of the LI or Lust characters have achieved some advancement; now it appears the evening event is going to be the catch-up scene. I can only predict plotholes and a WTF moment here if you consider that the story is based on SEX-ED, which IMO he let this play out for too long. The second side job, SEX-ED, is another WTF moment as it jumps from day one introduction to day two, "let's get it on." These are two stories I think he probably threw up his hands, and said to himself, "I don't have too much interest in these stories to make them good, so let's make one boring with possible sex scenes toward the end and the other a porno scene with lots of lewd things happening." which is going against his thought process of making a good story.
An early sex scene is not classified as brutal fucking, it's all about how the story is told to get to that early sex scene. That is what makes the difference. You don't need to drag a story out for 20+ years for the sex scene to be good, or possibly bad, at the end. I don't understand this thought process...
People who are complaining and blaming it in the dev about not getting any content in their routes, whose fault is it really.
It's clearly the writer's fault because he wrote the story and set the story's tempo to be told before his audience. For example, some people follow Sophia/Alyssa, at their last meeting was on Gameday 18 Wednesday, but Alyssa told Sophia that they won't be able to meet until the following Tuesday. (Projection) That's probably 5 years from now if they are lucky.
Because of how L&P wrote the story and the plethora of characters he introduced in the novel and combine that with the number of CS and Renders he adds to each update, this is why the content is shallow in most scenes. The balance is out of sync, which falls on the author/designer.
If the player is going to be choosy then he has to pay the price.
It's only choosy because the design of the novel is choosy. The author allowed the reader to choose their path. If the author's plan was to allow it to be choosy, then it's the author's responsibility to make sure there is content in the novel at frequent times to prevent story drought in order to maintain the balance of the story, but when you introduce the entire population of San Alejo in the novel at different parts, I can see where balance can become tricky.
This is a problem because, per L&P, he doesn't know the scene size when he starts it. So how can you say you need to consider the size when he doesn't even know? Per his statement, he makes the scene render count when he starts the scene, but it may increase.
https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-170-lust-passion.5944/post-3931853
The size is inflated because he claims the scene, which may need 200 renders to tell, will actually need 400, 500, or 600 now. That is not planning. So you can't factor in the size of the scene because no one, including L&P, knows what the content size is going to be in the first place. So a minor event can suddenly become a major event with this process. So I wouldn't say his pace is below average; it's unknown because it bounces all over the place.
The scope is huge for one man that is undeniably true, but at the same time it shouldn't mean that he drops his vision and reduces the scope just to put out a medicore product which won't even be talked about 1 day later.
I'll ask this question of you now since I keep seeing this word continuously pop up. Vision. What is his vision? Is it this?
Because that train left the station a long time ago, again how some of the scenes played out so far in the novel.
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