VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[|UserName|]

It's a porn game, so it's legitimate for me to overdraw the characters and the paths in it. Sam is a romantic route, with the thrill of the great age difference and the wife's betrayal of the husband.
I myself have already expressed my incomprehension about Sam's successes with Sophia, which are mainly based on the fact that Sam was written as a kind of superman, against whom I would simply be pale and without a chance if he existed in real life.
I'm willing to accept this on a romantic route though, because other game developers do it the same way very often.
But L&P builds these little and big slips into Sam's character and his journey with Sophia. Only these remain without consequences. I like to follow the clues in a game to justify my decisions regarding the game's MC. But on the Sam route, I feel like all of Sam's little meanties exist only in my head and L&P didn't mean it that way
I think this is the same for other players on other routes, but this is my Waterloo.

Porn game or not, he's trying to tell a realitic story, that's his main goal and he made sure that everyone knows that, nothing about S@M's path feels realitic, everything about it feels forced and it makes no sense for Sophia to take the risks of getting caught and ruin her marriage and the relationship she has with Dylan, if Dylan were ever to find out...... yeah I wouldn't want to be S@m.

 

[Bishop Robert]

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For statistical purposes, here are the updated table and graph that tracks the previous polls too.

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**At the moment**:

• Ava and the apostles are raising among the preferences along with Julia and Marie (not so coincidentally they had multiple or very recent events since 2020)
• Amber is regaining popularity along with Mr Murray (!!) and, obviously, Sam, even though he is not yet at the same level as 2020
• Dylan is still leading but Ellie has basically closed the gap at the second place. They both lost quite a lot of votes wrt 2020, especially Dylan.
• Patricia ( ), Alyssa ( ), Vicky, Emma and the Subway Thugs have consistently lost support as well. Cathy was a new entry in 2021 and lost as well a bit.
• Aiden is still 4th with minimum loss.
• Zac is substantially stable and so are Logan, Christine, Claire, Nathalie (even if she gained a bit) and Liam.
• The old gents after their moment of glory in the v0.130 are back to 2020 levels.
• Janitor Clark and the movers seems to be settled on 2021 values, so as Carl.

Let's see if there are surprises coming, especially in Ellie and Dylan's race for the first position. Too close to call, as John King would say!

I swear if this affects what he/she does with upcoming events and Pat, Alyssa, and Vicky are affected badly by this...

 

[Kinkyhns]

wow still 0% pregress.

Is L&P alive?

 

[kimber700]

Is L&P alive?

Wish suddenly the progress pops up some numbers on every sectors.

 

[Alley_Cat]

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For statistical purposes, here are the updated table and graph that tracks the previous polls too.

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**At the moment**:

• Ava and the apostles are raising among the preferences along with Julia and Marie (not so coincidentally they had multiple or very recent events since 2020)
• Amber is regaining popularity along with Mr Murray (!!) and, obviously, Sam, even though he is not yet at the same level as 2020
• Dylan is still leading but Ellie has basically closed the gap at the second place. They both lost quite a lot of votes wrt 2020, especially Dylan.
• Patricia ( ), Alyssa ( ), Vicky, Emma and the Subway Thugs have consistently lost support as well. Cathy was a new entry in 2021 and lost as well a bit.
• Aiden is still 4th with minimum loss.
• Zac is substantially stable and so are Logan, Christine, Claire, Nathalie (even if she gained a bit) and Liam.
• The old gents after their moment of glory in the v0.130 are back to 2020 levels.
• Janitor Clark and the movers seems to be settled on 2021 values, so has Carl.

Let's see if there are surprises coming, especially in Ellie and Dylan's race for the first position. Too close to call, as John King would say!

Curious that the biggest loss seems to be Dylan. On Dylan Day.

 

[|UserName|]

Curious that the biggest loss seems to be Dylan. On Dylan Day.

And somehow he's still leading the way, that says it all!

 

[XaGnard]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, s@m doesn't love Sophia, he's just an horny teenager/POS looking to fuck her because he finds her attractive, the way he talks to Dylan about Sophia in his room when Sophia is listening in, pissed me off so much that if I was Dylan I would have punched him in the face, I avoid everything with him because his path makes no sense whatsoever, we're only 13 days into the playable days and look how far he's been able to go with her, and why? Why would Sophia even have any feelings for him? He did absolutely nothing for her, ok so he mowed the lawn, great! He helped her with the groceries, fantastic! None of these things should have her fall for him, it makes zero sense, 13 days in... you could even say he's a stranger to her, and out of nowhere she trusts him and lets him draw her completely naked and agrees to become his secret girlfriend? Jesus christ, young me wishes things were that easy, but they're not, s@ms storyline feels extremely forced and I just can't get into it, and I'm sure many other players feel the exact same way I do about it.

Some have taken L&P's talk about a realistic game far too literally. There is no such thing as a realistic porn, especially not when, besides the husband, both son and daughter show a sexual interest in Sophia. Or in other words, it's about time that some action happens apart from Liam. The best thing would be for Sam and Dylan to join forces to get their mothers laid.

 

[|UserName|]

The best thing would be for Sam and Dylan to join forces to get their mothers laid.

The best thing would be to delete S@m from the game and move on with the story, or have S@m show interest in Amber instead of Sophia, that I could get into, his relationship with Sophia just feels wayyy too forced and I don't like it.

 

[hzjujk]

Some have taken L&P's talk about a realistic game far too literally. There is no such thing as a realistic porn, especially not when, besides the husband, both son and daughter show a sexual interest in Sophia.

 

[SophiaMelinda]

I see so many Dylan fans getting annoyed by Sam.
In my personal experience, a woman of Sophia's age is quite vulnerable and if right things are said at the right time many doors can be opened with her. Sam basically did that, of course he gets free while talking to his friend and when Sophia isn't around as all boys would do but in front of her he has learned to stay in control and slowly get a grip on Sophia and to be Frank out of all the guys present in the game Sam has the most visible chance of getting anywhere with Sophia besides Liam. Dylan is still her son and I don't think she'll be that free with Dylan as she was with Sam in the last update (unless this next update changes this dynamic between Sophia and Dylan).
In terms of realism, she would definitely fuck the neighbours kid before she fucks her own kid, to be put blatantly.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

I don't know if it's time already, but at some point the development of this game will stop just like that.

Some say it already happened and pre-prepared content is being gradually released.

 

[|UserName|]

In terms of realism, she would definitely fuck the neighbours kid before she fucks her own kid, to be put blatantly.

But we already got confirmation from L&P that Dylan will fuck her before the neighbor kid, and he will be one of the last... that makes sense eh? Looking at how far he's gone with Sophia and the relationship they have, you would think he'd be one of the first, but no, he will be one of the last.

 

[keefer43]

Sam is one of the most inconsistent characters in this game for me right now.
When Sophia first becomes aware that Sam is interested in her, she overhears a conversation that Dylan and Sam are having. Sam uses the sometimes vulgar and degrading language of teenagers to express how hot and sexy he finds Sophia. Later, we will only see a selectively polite and flattering Sam.

Sophia asks for water and Sam brings her alcohol. Sophia's reaction to this is moderate. Although she knows that Sam's goal is to make her compliant, the whole thing remains almost without reflection (perhaps because Elli tries the same trick?).

In the event at Jacusszi, of all places, the end of this scene continues the route in which Sam shits on the consequences of a discovery by Liam for Sophia. He simply doesn't care about the consequences at all, because for him they would be minimal.

When Sophia and Sam are almost caught in Sam's room by Sam's father Neil, Sophia says:
*I just have this remorse about cheating on my husband."
"I love him very much, but he just barely finds time for me lately."
To which Sam replies:
"Yeah, I understand. You just need time, I think."
Again, the impression is that Sam doesn't really care about Sophia's feelings and conflicts at all, just like the Jacuzzi event. And again, no reflection on Sophia's part. On the contrary, only if one continues, and agrees that Sophia lets herself be drawn "completely" naked, the route continues.

When Julia almost enters the room, Sam says the following:
"How was I supposed to know that my sister was probably on her period right now?! She's never just stormed into my room like that before!"
Sam makes a direct connection between a woman's menstrual period and her mental abilities. As a woman, friend of Julia and as a teacher, Sophia should have objected here. But also this sentence does not lead to any reaction, neither in the game nor in a reflection by Sophia. In contrast, it is necessary to kiss Sam goodbye in order to continue the route.

What bothers me about this is:
a) I am interpreting something here that doesn't exist and Sam is just a teenager who makes mistakes and Sophia, although with more life experience is just in love. And L&P wants to show that?

b) Are these hidden hints to make the player aware that Sam has an ugly side and one should be careful with his decisions? Then why don't they have any consequences in the game.

c) Do these sayings simply express L&P's own attitude towards women? (I know this question is insulting, sorry!)

d) Why do I actually collect sympathy points for the individual characters, if the decisions to continue a route are only yes-no decisions.

C

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

Is L&P alive?

Better: is he/she/they real? Or maybe some lame early version of ChatL&P?

 

[jamdan]

The reason Sams' route feels weird is because it is. LP tries to use the same general formula for all the characters. They want Sophia -> They either seduce/force/manipulate her to do stuff -> She either goes along with it, or cuts it off.

That doesn't make sense for Sam's route, since it's meant to be more romantic.

Would make more sense if...

- Sophia, wanting attention and not getting any from her husband, starts to notice Sam being sweet and paying attention to her. To make it more plausible and fit the backstory, Sam has always been that way. For example, in Dylan's room he should've said "You shouldn't talk about your mom like that, she is a beautiful woman!". Sophia could think that is admirable and it puts a divide between Sam (romantic) and Dylan (horndog) motivations with Sophia.

- Instead of Sam being the modern day Casanova, he is trying but still screws up sometimes. Sophia would think its cute that he is trying to make her feel special, even if he embarrassed himself sometimes.

- Sophia, having an inner conflict, wants to be around Sam more. He reminds her of Liam back when they started dating or something like that and wants that feeling back. However, she doesn't want to cheat.

- Eventually, Sam and Sophia would end up in a sexual situation (like the hot tub) but instead of being the Casanova, Sam and Sophia make a move but each feel bad about it. Sophia because she doesn't want to cheat. Sam because he doesn't want to ruin her relationship & potentially his friendship with Dylan.

- From there, they try to resist but gradually give in. They know it's wrong, but it doesn't matter anymore. They want to be together, in secret..for now.


In some ways, Sam's current route is pretty similar to a lot of male MC games. Where the MC is basically the most special, awesome mega dicked stud in town and all the women melt when he looks their way. Sophia isn't as dull as many of the LI's in those games, but her thoughts about how amazing Sam is at everything is pretty similar.

 

[Seewolf]

I see so many Dylan fans getting annoyed by Sam.
In my personal experience, a woman of Sophia's age is quite vulnerable and if right things are said at the right time many doors can be opened with her. Sam basically did that, of course he gets free while talking to his friend and when Sophia isn't around as all boys would do but in front of her he has learned to stay in control and slowly get a grip on Sophia and to be Frank out of all the guys present in the game Sam has the most visible chance of getting anywhere with Sophia besides Liam. Dylan is still her son and I don't think she'll be that free with Dylan as she was with Sam in the last update (unless this next update changes this dynamic between Sophia and Dylan).
In terms of realism, she would definitely fuck the neighbours kid before she fucks her own kid, to be put blatantly.

Personally I don' think the Sam route is realistic. It's more realistic than all the incest routes, that's true, but still not very much realistic. It's rare that a milf with quite some life experience would let a horny and immature teenager seduce and fuck her; such cases exist, it's not impossible, but these are rare.
Women usually are looking for emotional support from their potential partner. They also in general prefer men who are tall and do have a physique, which would enable to protect her. Most women won't openly admit it, but still most of them do secretly like athletic male bodies (not bodybuilder like, but fit with strong arms). Least but not last, most women prefer men with a decent job and income, who can provide for the family.
Sam got nothing out of this top 3 to offer. And no, Sam being a horny teenager desperately wanting to fuck a hot milf like Sophie and therefore bombing her with compliments, doesn't count as emotional support. Sophie also cannot trust a teenager not to brag about his conquest later on. A severe scandal not only destroying her reputation in the whole town but also her family on top will be inevitable and she should have more than enough life experience to realize that. Sam has proven to be immature more than once, not caring about consequences as many teenagers do, but Sophie doesn't seem to care for whatever strange reason. For me this whole Sam plot feels very much forced.

Sophie is more likely to start an affair with the postman before she'd let a teenager fuck her, who is the neighbor's kid and a schoolmate of her son.
EDIT: I don't favor the possible postman route, I just took it as an example, that this route is more likely than the Sam one, when we're talking about realism in this porn vn.

 

[1879]

Now that we have an off ramp for the Aiden Blackmail (courtesy of Don Morello), there is no reason I can see for the Aiden hate.

If L&P had not given us the boarding school route or the Don solution, then this would be a very different story and Sophia would have just been reduced to a victim who was destined to be passed around as Aiden's party favor.

I think that would have destroyed the premise of AWAM.

I'd like to see less blackmail and more Sophia driven choices now.

We are far enough into AWAM where Sophia needs to start taking a more active role in what she wants.

The scene with Sam was hot, but there was no sexual reciprocation - not even anything half-hearted, like Sophia giving Sam a quick grope through the pants.

Sophia's introspection, that inner dialogue, helps tell us what she finds exciting, but it is still incredibly light on having Sophia strongly considering acting on something because she Likes it.

She could be masturbating while fantasizing about different scenarios, for example:

Sophia finds herself thinking about:

a lesbian encounter with a younger girl (as she gets close to orgasm - she chooses the younger girl ... is it Julia or is it Ellie?)

a hot encounter with a younger guy (as she gets close to orgasm - she chooses the younger guy ... is it Sam or is it Dylan?)

a lesbian encounter with a woman (Claire or Patricia)

a hot encounter with a powerful older man (Don Morello or Liam's boss)

Once L&P starts weaving these fantasies into the story, especially when Sophia starts to take a more active role in her fantasies, then hot, Sophia initiated, encounters with Natalie, Ellie, Sam, Dylan and others become much more accessible as gradual story progression.

I said for a longer time that L&P is afraid to let his baby go

 

[|UserName|]

For me this whole Sam plot feels very much forced.

Thank you! That's what I've been saying for a long, long time, I can't get into it because it feels like Sophia is forced into a romantic relationship with her sons best friend that didn't do anything at all to earn her love.

 

[Hlextor]

Curious that the biggest loss seems to be Dylan. On Dylan Day.

This is simply because Sam is still in the minds of the players. They still have the update with Sophia ahead of them. With Dylan, you don't know what exactly is happening. If L&P had done the poll after the evening event, Dylan's poll would skyrocket extremely. That is the pure intention of L&P to do the poll right after Sam's update. Sam is his favorite and the hint from him "Will Dylan stay number one or if someone else takes his place?" says it all. He was hoping for someone else. And now he is trying to figure out how to start the evening event.... he doesn't seem to have a plan.

 

[|UserName|]

This is simply because Sam is still in the minds of the players. They still have the update with Sophia ahead of them. With Dylan, you don't know what exactly is happening. If L&P had done the poll after the evening event, Dylan's poll would skyrocket extremely. That is the pure intention of L&P to do the poll right after Sam's update. Sam is his favorite and the hint from him "Will Dylan stay number one or if someone else takes his place?" says it all. He was hoping for someone else. And now he is trying to figure out how to start the evening event.... he doesn't seem to have a plan.

If that was his plan, then it big time backfired on him, Dylan is still leading the way in votes, as he should because c'mon, there's a reason why he leads this poll as well as the other 2 polls about the favorite characters, now he knows he cannot fuck up the evening event, if he does he will lose a lot of supporters including me. That being said, perhaps the evening event will be bigger than originally thought? Normally we would have a progress report already but it hasn't even moved at all