VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Blurpee69]

The whole thing is quite simple. The game is called "A Wife and Mother". Even the first scene of the game starts with Sophia in her role as wife and mother (in the event on the plane). Quickly followed by the scene in the car where Dylan and Ellie's relationship is introduced, again with Sophia in her role as the mother. Contrary to what some here are trying to suggest, Dylan and Ellie are part of the main story. It's not just about Sophia. It is about Sophia as "A Wife and Mother".

This paragraph right here. Everyone: me, Alley_Cat, Jamdan, Talcum Powder, and others; that is the discussion that we've been having, and we're seemingly all in agreement that taking focus away from Sophia and switching to other characters is taking away from Sophia's story as "A Wife and Mother"

Jamdan is right, the nucleus of the story should be Sophia and any adventure that she undertakes, her influence on Ellie / Dylan, and then Liam. Although I would argue Patricia should also be tied with Liam, and perhaps in some cases come before Liam. Simply because as they're written now, Patricia has more influence on Sophia's growth than Liam does.

 

[karleston]

At the end of the day, everybody has his own favorite characters. The mistake this dev made and keeps making is trying to please everyone. By giving a non negligeable part of the story to secondary characters. And that's why people are waiting over 2 years to get an update.

AWAM should focus on the main family nucleus. And if he wants to give screen time to other non important characters. He should make another game after he finishes this one. That will be a continuation of this one. Kind of like breaking bad and better caul saul.

 

[Shalamar94]

Actually I have considered that possibility. I've also considered the possibility that Dylan is so heavily focused on is due to "Dylan Day".

Sure its not a lesbian focused game I just find it weird that so much focus is being put onto a side character(even when it makes no sense) to the determent of Sophia's development.

I'm not tortured by him as a character I just find him annoying and I return here because I just find the conversations interesting.

And honestly I don't care what that sham has to say.

You need psychological help if "Dylan" (a non existent character) makes you suffer so much, nevermind finding another game.

 

[GokutheG]

You need psychological help if "Dylan" (a non existent character) makes you suffer so much, nevermind finding another game.

What the fuck are you talking about? I don't need psychological help for finding a fictional character annoying. Do Dylan fans think everyone needs to enjoy his character or something?

 

[Alley_Cat]

U forgot Mr Bennett BTW

No, he didn't. Bennett isn't in the poll because he's not important enough for it. Like Neil, Tyler, the museum boys etc.

To reframe the "main story" stuff. The main story in this game is Sophia's corruption. There is no overarching plot.

To me, the main characters should be: Sophia (MC), Dylan, Ellie and Liam. These are the core characters of Sophia's life and should get most of the games content. Ellie and Dylan should get roughly the same amount of content. And Liam follows in distant 4th place for GW content every so often. After them (and before Liam, probably), you can have Sam and Aiden's blackmail to round out the main cast.

On Ellie/Dylan specifically, people complain (and understandability) that Dylan is the 2nd MC. But Ellie is too. She has routes and LI's like Dylan does. Just because LP doesn't say she is an MC too, doesn't make it so. As we know, what LP says and doesn't say sometimes aren't reliable.

And this is where LP bit off too much. Neither of them should have their own LI's, or at least no complicated branches for them. Same goes for all the other characters. Ellie has a BF, things with Jules (the girl she kissed?). Dylan has Emma and the girl from the last update (I already forgot her name?). That's too much going on. At best, they get 1 of their own LI's if they aren't with Sophia. Not 2-3.

I've never bought into the idea LP "milks" or doesn't work hard. You don't make a higher quality game and release it on a regular basis and not work hard. If anything, he makes his job harder than it should be because he keeps adding more stuff to do and keep track of. LP has continually added too many characters and too many routes.

By the looks of things, Mr.Harris may be the latest addition. Remember, this event is meant to be about Sophia & Dylan. Mr.Harris should've been used as a convenient way to occupy Liam. Not a mechanism for Sophia to collect more Filthy Points or start a new mini-route.

The difference between Dylan and Ellie is that Dylan has LIs and routes in his own right. Ellie doesn't.

Dylan's routes with Amber and Emma (ones I assert should be moved to DLC or whatever) have nothing to do with Sophia. Ellie's LIs like Jules include Sophia. The last event with Jules increased Sophia's Lesbian Temptation points.

EDIT:
The other of Ellie's LIs (Sam) even just had his own event with Sophia recently.

 

[Cesar43]

Sexo en la actualización

 

[tofhdns]

No, he didn't. Bennett isn't in the poll because he's not important enough for it. Like Neil, Tyler, the museum boys etc.

Bennett blackmailed Sophia based on Dylan's exam and demanded sex.

He has to meet Sophia at least once in the story and is working at the same school, so it is problematic to disappear from the vote list.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Bennett blackmailed Sophia based on Dylan's exam and demanded sex.

He has to meet Sophia at least once in the story and is working at the same school, so it is problematic to disappear from the vote list.

Bennett will be back a few times before then from what I hear. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be on the list, only repeating what L&P has said as to why Bennett isn't there.

For all we know, L&P might have cancelled Bennett's blackmail completely. Sophia already has enough power to not accept it.

 

[tofhdns]

Bennett will be back a few times before then from what I hear. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be on the list, only repeating what L&P has said as to why Bennett isn't there.

For all we know, L&P might have cancelled Bennett's blackmail completely. Sophia already has enough power to not accept it.

The only way to get rid of Bennett would be to ask Don Morello.

And Sophia needs to see Bennett. Even if it's to say no.

I didn't know what L&P said.

Thank you

 

[Description]

Record 2 versions of "small chapter" after half a year

 

[rAmSiMaL]

AWAM is an adult game. Moves around the life of a wife & a mother. The goal of the game is to have the MC sexually aroused / erotically attracted to other people. If someone likes incest they follow the path where she is attracted to her family members (i.e. son, daughter, sister). If someone likes her to be a good wife, then they develop her relationship with her husband (kinky, prudent etc). If someone likes her to become an adulteress follows the path of corruption from people outside of her family. Everything happens under the MC’s POV. Anything else changes the concept of the game. I don’t dislike any of the characters perse. I don’t want their POV. It’s not why I’m following the game. IMHO all paths are interesting (from Sophia’s POV always). The game is beautiful but has too many paths open and at this pace is realistically impossible to conclude… 1 PD takes 2 years to complete means that it requires 34 years to complete the 17 remaining PDs… Is this LP’s full time job till retirement???

 

[Alley_Cat]

The only way to get rid of Bennett would be to ask Don Morello.

And Sophia needs to see Bennett. Even if it's to say no.

I didn't know what L&P said.

Thank you

Incorrect. Sophia has already spoken to Mrs Torres at the school, confirming that Dylan should have at least passed the test. Sophia can now go to the school board to get the grade changed.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

For all we know, L&P might have cancelled Bennett's blackmail completely.

LP could develop more this blackmail and bring it to conclusion at some point (i.e. Sophia having sex with him). It’s a nice fantasy and LP can develop the story beautifully… it’s a pity LP focuses exclusively on Dylan so much so he develops events from his POV…

 

[Alley_Cat]

LP could develop more this blackmail and bring it to conclusion at some point (i.e. Sophia having sex with him). It’s a nice fantasy and LP can develop the story beautifully… it’s a pity LP focuses exclusively on Dylan so much so he develops events from his POV…

Both blackmails should have been developed more. Aiden's too. I refuse both, and have yet to face any adverse storyline. I'm still happily playing all the events I want.

But then I'm of the opinion there shouldn't have been a choice between Morello and Aiden. Do away with the Morello storyline altogether, so that the only way to continue the Dylan route is to continue the tasks. Either that, or be able to play the Dylan route and not do the tasks at all.

 

[interested_guy]

Despite what I've written about the unbearably slow development of the game, there are very interesting plot points, which can add nuance or even evolve into alternative choices.
All this, combined with the profile of Sofia, torn between her social role and her sexual impulses, is the great (huge) strength of the story. The reason - I think - why the game receives so much attention and success.
Personally I'm interested both in the love story with the son, and in the one with Sam too, and in the excursions in the lesbian territory, and also in that "depraved" part that finds sexual education of minors exciting .. and maybe even a little of "detour" towards swinging and threesome or foursome))
I'm much less interested in the topic of blackmail and betrayal. I find themn just "accessories".
Did I forget something ???
ah ah ah

 

[Alley_Cat]

Despite what I've written about the unbearably slow development of the game, there are very interesting plot points, which can add nuance or even evolve into alternative choices.
All this, combined with the profile of Sofia, torn between her social role and her sexual impulses, is the great (huge) strength of the story. The reason - I think - why the game receives so much attention and success.
Personally I'm interested both in the love story with the son, and in the one with Sam too, and in the excursions in the lesbian territory, and also in that "depraved" part that finds sexual education of minors exciting .. and maybe even a little of "detour" towards swinging and threesome or foursome))
I'm much less interested in the topic of blackmail and betrayal. I find themn just "accessories".
Did I forget something ???
ah ah ah

Of particular discussion lately is the appropriateness of the Dylan side stories: Amber, Emma, Marie and the bonus storyline

 

[Rome5555555]

Of particular discussion lately is the appropriateness of the Dylan side stories: Amber, Emma, Marie and the bonus storyline

Soon this game will go into the series and every month we will receive a new chapter...

 

[XaGnard]

Both blackmails should have been developed more. Aiden's too. I refuse both, and have yet to face any adverse storyline. I'm still happily playing all the events I want.

But then I'm of the opinion there shouldn't have been a choice between Morello and Aiden. Do away with the Morello storyline altogether, so that the only way to continue the Dylan route is to continue the tasks. Either that, or be able to play the Dylan route and not do the tasks at all.

All the Backmail-Stories are one of L&P's weak points. But, the Aiden path in particular is simply ridiculous. Aiden does not seem dangerous at all and the helplessness towards his action form Sophia and others seems artificial. Also I think L&P should have chosen here only a blackmail-path in AWAM. Morello is at least the typical gangster and not totally ridiculous like Aiden. So, if anything, it's Morello path that should be selected.

 

[Jozef Minge]

Bennett will be back a few times before then from what I hear. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be on the list, only repeating what L&P has said as to why Bennett isn't there.

For all we know, L&P might have cancelled Bennett's blackmail completely. Sophia already has enough power to not accept it.

I am sorry to hear this! I like the restaurant scene with Bennett. I like his cheeky behavior with Sophia. I like how he is put her feet on his dick. And I was under the impression that Sophia like it too. His blackmail seems more realistic to me than Aiden's one.
This game become more and more childish - Dylan, Sam, Aiden, Zack, the three kids, the museum guys instead of Bennett, Carl and Morello's brother! Sophia doesn't seems to like those of her age.
If we think about the all situation - middle-aged wife, her husband does not pay enough attention to her, but she have needs. What contacts does she have? Family, close ones, neighbours, colleagues. It is natural to envolve Bennett (or such a character) with her. Middle-aged, handsome, a womanizer, predator, cheeky, unscrupulous, with a huge ego... I prefer to see how Sophia catches Bennet with some teacher, than Aiden, his buddy and this girl.

 

[XaGnard]

To reframe the "main story" stuff. The main story in this game is Sophia's corruption. There is no overarching plot.

Of course there is a plot. The game is not called "A wife and mother" for nothing. You're right about Sophia's corruption, though. It is certainly extremely important for the game.

To me, the main characters should be: Sophia (MC), Dylan, Ellie and Liam. These are the core characters of Sophia's life and should get most of the games content. Ellie and Dylan should get roughly the same amount of content. And Liam follows in distant 4th place for GW content every so often. After them (and before Liam, probably), you can have Sam and Aiden's blackmail to round out the main cast.

On Ellie/Dylan specifically, people complain (and understandability) that Dylan is the 2nd MC. But Ellie is too. She has routes and LI's like Dylan does. Just because LP doesn't say she is an MC too, doesn't make it so. As we know, what LP says and doesn't say sometimes aren't reliable.

Yes, Besides Sophia, Dylan and Ellie are also essential to the plot. I think that L&P has emphasized Dylan a bit more because he is the best contrast to Sophia in the family, since he belongs to a different gender and a different generation. He also has the highest motivation of all in the family to push Sophia's corrumtion forward.

And this is where LP bit off too much. Neither of them should have their own LI's, or at least no complicated branches for them. Same goes for all the other characters. Ellie has a BF, things with Jules (the girl she kissed?). Dylan has Emma and the girl from the last update (I already forgot her name?). That's too much going on. At best, they get 1 of their own LI's if they aren't with Sophia. Not 2-3.

I never understood the story with Emma. She doesn't really add anything to the main plot with either Sophia, Ellie or Dylan. However, I think the idea of not giving Ellie and Dylan their own LI is wrong. It is important for Dylan that Sophia sees that he is failing at the beginning and need some support. The whole thing plays into the importance of breathing life into the characters close to Sophia. It is also important for Ellie to have some LI, because only then it becomes clear that she is in a stronger role. If Dylan and Ellie seem too passive, then the whole game would seem implausible.

I've never bought into the idea LP "milks" or doesn't work hard. You don't make a higher quality game and release it on a regular basis and not work hard. If anything, he makes his job harder than it should be because he keeps adding more stuff to do and keep track of. LP has continually added too many characters and too many routes.

By the looks of things, Mr.Harris may be the latest addition. Remember, this event is meant to be about Sophia & Dylan. Mr.Harris should've been used as a convenient way to occupy Liam. Not a mechanism for Sophia to collect more Filthy Points or start a new mini-route.

I think L&P simply underestimated the effort, but is reluctant to give his project the cuts necessary. In my opinion, the only important thing is not to cut corners on the main story. The story about Sophia as "a wife and mother" should be told. Ellie and Dylan are needed for this.