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LP will cut the event at the point where anyone can speculate about the continuation but no one will predict the actual event… Hold your horses till first Sunday of August (2nd part release…)
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Hola "Mr Boss" Sophia (Dirty Route) te envía saludos.
Hello "Mr Boss" Sophia (Dirty Route) says hello.
Sophia no se unirá a Liam y su jefe para ver el partido de fútbol, se bañará, con o sin Dylan
Sophia will not join Liam and his boss to watch the football game, she will take a bath, with or without Dylan
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that way it would have been hotter
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As an act of curiosity, I asked a question to the one of the co-developers of a really well-done animated series, why can't they produce content faster as the hardware improves over the course of time. He's honest reply right below in the link or, for the lazy one's, I put it after the link.
That's an answer from someone, who knows more about game or video development, in their case, than 99% of F95 users. There's even a render farm mentioning for its adepts.
https://f95zone.to/threads/big-johnson-collection-2023-03-04-yourbigjohnson.73596/post-10231503
It’s a bit much to explain, but rendering either uses resources from your CPU (not a great idea) or your GPU. So depending on how old it is, just a basic camera shot, depending on the amount of details you set it for, can go from minutes to hours.
Can’t speak for SFM, but Blender has a variety of settings that can make just poses take quite a while to pop out. And animation is like that, but tenfold, as it’s now moving pictures so to speak.
You could outsource it to a render farm, but as I’ve seen from other artists like Slayyed.coom, they are not always reliable and can sometimes screw up the work. And as mentioned, the rendering process takes a ton of resources, so unless ya got another computer, you won’t be doing much else on the rendering one.
If you want something fast, it’ll be short and low quality. You want something good, it’ll take time. A good comparison would be Opiumud. They put out lengthy content on a regular basis, but they suffer from really bad audio sync and the overall quality isn’t great either.
I used to be like those people that asked for the little things to add or why can’t it be faster. And then when I got my new computer, I started learning Blender myself and my eyes were opened. This shit ain’t easy.
I wish it were as simple as point A to point B. Maybe we’ll get some fancy VR tech in the future that lets us pose them like mannequins xD. But until you’re moving every piece of the bodies, making sure everything lines, avoiding clipping as much as possible, and hoping to god you don’t see something during the render you missed, or that something doesn’t line up right, or in the worst case, the program crashed and you hadn’t saved in a while because things like SFM are so old, auto save isn’t a thing.
So…yeah. Be appreciative of what you’re getting for free anyway, and don’t stress the artist
That's an answer from someone, who knows more about game or video development, in their case, than 99% of F95 users. There's even a render farm mentioning for its adepts.
https://f95zone.to/threads/big-johnson-collection-2023-03-04-yourbigjohnson.73596/post-10231503
It’s a bit much to explain, but rendering either uses resources from your CPU (not a great idea) or your GPU. So depending on how old it is, just a basic camera shot, depending on the amount of details you set it for, can go from minutes to hours.
Can’t speak for SFM, but Blender has a variety of settings that can make just poses take quite a while to pop out. And animation is like that, but tenfold, as it’s now moving pictures so to speak.
You could outsource it to a render farm, but as I’ve seen from other artists like Slayyed.coom, they are not always reliable and can sometimes screw up the work. And as mentioned, the rendering process takes a ton of resources, so unless ya got another computer, you won’t be doing much else on the rendering one.
If you want something fast, it’ll be short and low quality. You want something good, it’ll take time. A good comparison would be Opiumud. They put out lengthy content on a regular basis, but they suffer from really bad audio sync and the overall quality isn’t great either.
I used to be like those people that asked for the little things to add or why can’t it be faster. And then when I got my new computer, I started learning Blender myself and my eyes were opened. This shit ain’t easy.
I wish it were as simple as point A to point B. Maybe we’ll get some fancy VR tech in the future that lets us pose them like mannequins xD. But until you’re moving every piece of the bodies, making sure everything lines, avoiding clipping as much as possible, and hoping to god you don’t see something during the render you missed, or that something doesn’t line up right, or in the worst case, the program crashed and you hadn’t saved in a while because things like SFM are so old, auto save isn’t a thing.
So…yeah. Be appreciative of what you’re getting for free anyway, and don’t stress the artist
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I generally agree with you, I don't have much interest in incest myself but it is not hard to pretend there step related, so that is what I do. However, it has been well established in this thread that there is just too much going on, too many characters and the wait time for "follow-ups" with this character and that character is far too long, it hurts AWAM.
It certainly seems like L&P has lost his way with AWAM and is scrambling to keep people happy, I think L&P has made the mistake a number of devs have done, including myself. That is we have all these ideas and we cram them all into one story, instead of saving some for another story.
You're right, this story is called A Wife and A Mother, it should be about Dylan, Ellie, and Liam + Sophia, but I think Alley Cat and others are pointing out that there is some unnecessary stuff going on as well, this drags AWAM down and extends the wait time. The stuff with Dylan watching them shower at the gym and scenes with Dylan and Ellie wasn't needed. All that stuff really should've been skipped and the shower scene at the gym was hot, but it really shouldn't have been added and neither should any of the scenes between Dylan and Ellie, which don't include Sophia.
It would be fine if it served a purpose but following Dylan's interaction with others and the whole girlfriend route for Dylan just bogs down a game called A Wife and Mother, it's not called My Mom or a Girlfriend.
I don't think L&P should cut corners with the story between Dylan and Ellie. Just as I think it was important to give Dylan the part in the shower room scene. All this is part of the main story and important, because it give the player some knowledge of secrets that are still unknown to Sophia. Especially for you as a game developer, the strength of such elements for storytelling should be clear. It can make the story deep. That's also the reason why I think the events between Dylan and Amber are so important. Imagine the event without the pseudo sex between Dylan and Amber. That would be worth much less.
Honestly, it is clear to me that AWAM should be cut down not indispensable, otherwise this game has no chance of ever being finished. The only question is which elements are really unnecessary. From my point of view, these are mainly the side jobs and at least a large part of the gangster stories. Maybe L&P could even think about to cut one of the lesbian stories (beside the on connected to Ellie). What I think would also save a lot of time is if L&P finally stopped introducing new characters and complex new locations and kill the idea of animations.
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as I said in my last post, the VN is called A Wife and A Mother, not a My mom or a girlfriend, this is Sophia's story, not Dylan's.
It's what most of us have been saying. I think where I differ from Alley_Cat, and perhaps he can chime in if I'm in the wrong, is that I don't really care that we're getting all this Dylan side content, I just want it to be spread more evenly across the rest of the family. In my opinion Dylan, basically from PD6 onward has been the largest influence on Sophia's life and the direction the story has gone. Either his story needs trimmed down; or Ellie, Liam, and Patricia need to have their roles expanded. Because they are family too, not side characters to Dylan and Sophia.
Well, I guess we'll have to disagree on that one. I can't imagine what a story between Dylan and Ellie would look like, told solely from Sophia's perspective. Even more, I think that L&P should definitely not do without this story, because it, at the latest as soon as Sophia gets to know about it, allows for incredibly interesting story twists.
There are tons of narrative tools and techniques that can be used to infer that something is going on with Dylan and Ellie. One that I literally put about 30 seconds of thought into;
Sophia notices at the dinner table that Dylan and Ellie aren't bickering as much. Option: Sophia thinks to herself "That's nice" and nothing further comes from it, or "I should ask if anything is going on" Sophia asks her kids.
If Sophia asks, the kids can play dumb or be coy about it, which peaks Sophia's interest more and maybe she does a little investigative work. Scene of her standing on the balcony and overhears a conversation between Dylan and Ellie and learns why they're getting along better.
It plays into her being an caring and available mother to her kids, it empowers her making her a more active protagonist, and it conveys what their story is without spending unnecessary time away from Sophia's PoV.
The event you describe here only works properly when the player would have seen what is going on between Dylan and Ellie, but Sophia doesn't know about it yet.
No, something like this needs more than just a discussion at the kitchen table.
There is then completely missing the thrill between Dylan and Ellie, their efforts to keep it secret, etc. etc. It would be a boring story.
I have mentioned it before, nothing is as nonsensical as the requirement to tell a story only from Sophia PoV. Why replace all the exciting events with boring discussions and inner dialogues when you can actually show them. Sorry, but I think here the idea to cut AWAM goes too far. Especially when you consider that there is so much unnecessary content in the game, with characters that really only Sophia knows and therefore have no effect on the main story.
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off-topic did L&P finish remaking the first day of the game?
I'm at a loss for words here. I'm sorry if I'm making assumptions here, but I feel like you often times read one part of my responses and get focused on that rather than taking in my point as a whole. In this case you seem very focused on PoV, and I'm focused on trimming the narrative fat from the story. I don't mean this as an attack or an insult, I just don't know where our breakdown in philosophy is occuring here.
The whole point of that quickly thought out example, is it shows that Sophia is shrewd enough to notice a difference in her childrens behavior, inquire about, then investigate the change. It sets up a slight mystery plot, doesn't have to be a major one that can get us the viewers a little more intrigued about what's going on with her children's lives. Then we can slowly, or quickly, unravel that little mystery together along with Sophia. It was a quick little two scene example I slapped together that can lead all sorts of different places depending on other choices Sophia makes either in between those situation or after. It cuts a lot of fat from the narrative while still achieving the same results as what we already have.
And sometimes, it's better to let the reader / viewer's imagination take the reigns and fill in the blanks, not everything has to be shown.
No, no, I have read what you have written and I think I have understood what you want to say. It's just that I have a different opinion. In addition, I am often a bit clumsy in expressing what I want to say. This is even more difficult because English is only my second language.
Back to the topic. I know that your approach would also tell a story, but, i think, it would do so not as well and without the excitement that a Dylan/Ellie/Sophia arc could offer. Just take the story between Dylan and Amber in the pool for example. The whole thing only becomes so good because Sophia and Sam have no idea about it. Although Sophia wonders, she can't and shouldn't know yet. Nevertheless, the player must know it, because otherwise it would have been a much too boring event. As I said, it's better to show something than just to let Sophia think about it.