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So we shall see more shame off her for posing for a mens mag than for chaeting on her husband?
 

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What I understand from L&P's statement is that currently Sophia is'nt proud of that photoshoot, rather she is ashamed of it (that's how I read her facial expression in that teaser), but Dylan will encourage her and try to make her proud of it.
His exact statement was "it's rather something Sophia could be proud of".
That's how differently we read faces.
I see Sophia curious, excited and a little proud. No signs of shame or guilt, as after the hairdressing event in the car.
 

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What I understand from L&P's statement is that currently Sophia is'nt proud of that photoshoot, rather she is ashamed of it (that's how I read her facial expression in that teaser), but Dylan will encourage her and try to make her proud of it.
His exact statement was "it's rather something Sophia could be proud of".
We have to see why the developer wrote it that way.

The developer answered the question of whether Dylan would blackmail Sophia using magazine photos.
The developer replied that blackmail was not possible because it was not a vulgar magazine and Sofia was proud of her modeling in the past.

That's why Sophia wouldn't be ashamed.
 
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We have to see why the developer wrote it that way.

The developer answered the question of whether Dylan would blackmail Sophia using magazine photos.
The developer replied that blackmail was not possible because it was not a vulgar magazine and Sofia was proud of her modeling in the past.

That's why Sophia wouldn't be ashamed.
Early in the game she was dressed unusually conservatively, and then chose to suddenly pop up with a past of having taken sexy photos, and a stance reading that she felt uncomfortably disgusted by such things. It's as if the developers made the character's motivation and behavior appear cutthroat for the sake of the present story, and she's not her anymore
 
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Early in the game she was dressed unusually conservatively, and then chose to suddenly pop up with a past of having taken sexy photos, and a stance reading that she felt uncomfortably disgusted by such things. It's as if the developers made the character's motivation and behavior appear cutthroat for the sake of the present story, and she's not her anymore
I think it's a setup collapse.

If Sofia says she hates her past, it conflicts with what the developer said, "Sofia will be proud of herself," and it should go as roro said.

If Sofia doesn't hate the past, it conflicts with what Sophia has been saying.

The moment the developer put the magazine picture in, the setup collapsed.
 

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We have to see why the developer wrote it that way.

The developer answered the question of whether Dylan would blackmail Sophia using magazine photos.
The developer replied that blackmail was not possible because it was not a vulgar magazine and Sofia was proud of her modeling in the past.

That's why Sophia wouldn't be ashamed.
L&P never said Sophia was proud of her modeling in the past. English isn't my native language, and I guess it isn't yours also, but his statement here is nowhere near what you claim he said ("Sofia was proud of her modeling in the past"). He also never said something like "Sofia will be proud of herself" which you claimed he did in your previous post...
 
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L&P never said Sophia was proud of her modeling in the past. English isn't my native language, and I guess it isn't yours also, but his statement here is nowhere near what you claim he said ("Sofia was proud of her modeling in the past"). He also never said something like "Sofia will be proud of herself" which you claimed he did in your previous post...
"2nd, blackmail for what?"

"An unknown model magazine?"
"It's not a cheap porn magazine á la Hustler or something!"

"It's rather something Sophia could be proud of. "




I write this in case there is any misunderstanding.

I don't care if Sophia is shy or proud.

Sofia has said that she has never modeled in the past, so I thinks the magazine shouldn't be in game.
 

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2nd, blackmail for what?

An unknown model magazine?
It's not a cheap porn magazine á la Hustler or something!

It's rather something Sophia could be proud of.
There's the word "could" in there. It means she may be proud, or may be regrets it, but according to someone (L&P himself? Dylan maybe?) she should be proud of it. It doesn't mean Sophia is proud of it at this moment.
 
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Developer may be looking for countermeasures because the storyline is twisted.

In the past, Sophia monologued that she had never modeled, but the story was twisted when a developer suddenly created photos of Sophia's past as a model.
I also want to see Sofia's corrupt appearance.

But.

My point is, until a few days ago, Sofia thought magazines were dirty, and she had a strong aversion to showing her body in public.

We have to imagine what this Sophia would have been like 10 or 20 years ago.

I am saying that it is a big contradiction that this kind of Sofia worked as a bikini magazine model in the past..

And look.

In magazines that said Sofia was dirty, women were not even more revealing than the bikini Sophia wore in front of Dylan/Sam.
Kind of like how some women will say "they never did that" or "were never like that" and then suddenly, you find the evidence that says the exact opposite. Sophia strikes me as the sort of woman that'd pretend and lie just to keep her past hidden, at least from her children and quite possibly from her husband, if people are on the corruption path in the story. It would definitely explain why it's so easy for so many men to influence her lust on that path. Deep down, she'd have to be one of the biggest sluts out there and have engaged in that behavior when she was young, to some degree or another from a logical standpoint. That isn't to say she was riding every dick out there, just that she was engaging in some behavior that would have been considered wild and likely doesn't want her kids or husband to know about. Enough wild behavior to make the corruption path relevant that it can expose that past, make her start back down it and become a wild slut in this game should players choose that path.

This ALSO shows also how real LP Statemenst are, since the release of the game he said, that he had all the story planned, all the 30 days, and yet now he introduces this "hidden past" of Sophia? doesnt makes any sense
Lets face it, considering how this whole thing has been slowing down more and more over the last several years, it's fairly obvious the guy was lying. He had no plan as far as the direction this story was going to go in. He might have had a partial plan for one or two paths but he's made so many variables without them leading anywhere remotely sexual (for the most part), that odds are good he's writing the story as he goes. If he actually had the story fleshed out like he originally claimed, after this many years of development, this game would have been about at the half way point by now. We won't see that happen for several more years to come.
 
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"2nd, blackmail for what?"

"An unknown model magazine?"
"It's not a cheap porn magazine á la Hustler or something!"

"It's rather something Sophia could be proud of. "




I write this in case there is any misunderstanding.

I don't care if Sophia is shy or proud.

Sofia has said that she has never modeled in the past, so I thinks the magazine shouldn't be in game.
And why shouldn't it? The story isn't finished yet, and it may be subjected to changes. Many writers make changes to previous chapters before publishing. Some even make changes to already published books in 2nd edition. L&P made it clear years ago that he makes a lot of changes in his story, and it's very likely that some changes will make an impact on previous chapters of the story. Of course he will have to fix the inconsistencies, and I'm sure he will.
 
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There's the word "could" in there. It means she may be proud, or may be regrets it, but according to someone (L&P himself? Dylan maybe?) she should be proud of it. It doesn't mean Sophia is proud of it at this moment.
now I get it.

I think, I interpreted it as "can" and you interpreted it as "possibility".

I think it's correct to interpret it as "can" in context, but if you interpret it as "possibility", I admit that your words have a possibility too.
 

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Kind of like how some women will say "they never did that" or "were never like that" and then suddenly, you find the evidence that says the exact opposite. Sophia strikes me as the sort of woman that'd pretend and lie just to keep her past hidden, at least from her children and quite possibly from her husband, if people are on the corruption path in the story. It would definitely explain why it's so easy for so many men to influence her lust on that path. Deep down, she'd have to be one of the biggest sluts out there and have engaged in that behavior when she was young, to some degree or another from a logical standpoint. That isn't to say she was riding every dick out there, just that she was engaging in some behavior that would have been considered wild and likely doesn't want her kids or husband to know about. Enough wild behavior to make the corruption path relevant that it can expose that past, make her start back down it and become a wild slut in this game should players choose that path.
And why shouldn't it? The story isn't finished yet, and it may be subjected to changes. Many writers make changes to previous chapters before publishing. Some even make changes to already published books in 2nd edition. L&P made it clear years ago that he makes a lot of changes in his story, and it's very likely that some changes will make an impact on previous chapters of the story. Of course he will have to fix the inconsistencies, and I'm sure he will.
"She had never really modeled before but she had seen some fashion shows on TV and remembered some poses from there."


This isn't a woman's lie, it's what the developer explains in the game.

And like roro's writing, you can edit it at any time.
However, since the setting is broken, it must be corrected.

Most of what I wrote about was that the settings were broken and wrong.
 
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now I get it.

I think, I interpreted it as "can" and you interpreted it as "possibility".

I think it's correct to interpret it as "can" in context, but if you interpret it as "possibility", I admit that your words have a possibility too.
If you interpret it as "can", that doesn't mean she is proud of it.
You can do a lot of things, that doesn't mean you're actually doing them. I can sing loudly while walking in a crowded street, but I'll never do it. Sophia can be proud of herself, but it doesn't mean she is proud of herself.
If L&P wanted us to think she is proud of herself - he would not use the word could.
 
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And one more thing (again I'm not an English native speaker, so if I'm wrong here I'd appreciate it if someone corrects me), usually you say that someone can be proud of himself when he actually isn't.
 
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"She had never really modeled before but she had seen some fashion shows on TV and remembered some poses from there."


This isn't a woman's lie, it's what the developer explains in the game.

And like roro's writing, you can edit it at any time.
However, since the setting is broken, it must be corrected.

Most of what I wrote about was that the settings were broken and wrong.
If you go back to the beginning of the first few days of the game, if i recall, she actually mentioned how she didn't pursue a modeling career but that statement doesn't mean she never did some modeling before making that decision. But yes, i understand your meaning with what the dev has done with the story. He boxed himself in and utterly broke that part of the story. This is because he had ZERO plan with the direction of this game long term. He only lied that he did. This is what happens when one makes far too many variable pathways in a story without fleshing it out from beginning to relative end. He didn't keep his own notes straight and ready for each new thing he's started to add to make certain he wasn't contradicting previous parts. This indicates there will likely be more contradictory parts of the story the further along this goes. Two of those variable paths are the ones with the side jobs she takes on, either with the old folk's home or the homeschooling with the young boys. Things like that could have been hinted at but not actually shown. He's bloated this game up with what would otherwise be referred to as feature creep. That generally makes any game too complex for it's own good.
 
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If you interpret it as "can", that doesn't mean she is proud of it.
You can do a lot of things, that doesn't mean you're actually doing them. I can sing loudly while walking in a crowded street, but I'll never do it. Sophia can be proud of herself, but it doesn't mean she is proud of herself.
If L&P wanted us to think she is proud of herself - he would not use the word could.
Taken literally, you are right.

But I read the whole context and interpreted it that way.

The content of the text was not written by Sophia, but the developer guessed and wrote Sophia's mind.

It's a strange word, but anyway.
 

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And one more thing (again I'm not an English native speaker, so if I'm wrong here I'd appreciate it if someone corrects me), usually you say that someone can be proud of himself when he actually isn't.
I also make a lot of mistakes because English is not my mother tongue.

(My argument is written above.)
 
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