VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Vigeous]

End of the month seems doable not much left.

 

[VNandSophiafan]

What happend to this link https://f95zone.to/threads/the-final-task-v0-2-pixil.153044/ ?
And I'm lost. Do we have 2 games called "The Final Task"?
1 as 3rd part of "Dress Up" and 1 with Aiden?

 

[bardock8114]

End of the month seems doable not much left.

Release: between April 29th and May 2nd
Content: 416 renders, 26 Word pages of script, 3 animations

 

[Alley_Cat]

I would like to know, do we get to see future update about those contractors who came to the house... i felt like it was abandon just like that. What do you guys think?

It can't be abandoned if there was nothing planned to begin with. They're only due to return at the end of the game.

What happend to this link https://f95zone.to/threads/the-final-task-v0-2-pixil.153044/ ?
And I'm lost. Do we have 2 games called "The Final Task"?
1 as 3rd part of "Dress Up" and 1 with Aiden?

That's a fan art game, not this one. Best to ask in the Fan art thread.

 

[DarthSpitz717]

Since you introduced yourself as a writer, please let me know which part so good and which line was moved you so much.

Please tell us in detail which plot made you clap.

It was a slow start and didn't at first like Sophia. Saw her as being entitled and bitchy well on her way to being a "Karen." Am referring to the house movers opening. But as her character developed, she became someone you can empathize with. Now if I had been part of the writing team, I'd have written it so that she was more a neglected wife from her husband's attentions and made him more an asshole. That would have helped more with plausibility as the story unfolded.


What really makes the story work is the slow burn, and that slow burn allowed the plots to unfold. Now, I see story and game making as an art forum so I will not be too specific. You either like the art presented or you don't, and I am happy to have played it. So, I'll only hit on the highlights and themes. There isn't enough material to guess where the story will go. And I really don't fully understand the point system and haven't noticed much change with taking different choices. Simply, going the good wife kills options.

There are a lot of plot foils within this game and options. First you have two very different sisters, Sophia and Patricia. It's almost like watching Dr. Faust playout in front of you and the devil is wining. Likes, well that's easy. Developed character makes the game. You understand Patricia in that she is a free spirit--perhaps stemming from her wealth and easy lifestyle that makes her look for thrills. Sam and Dylan, need a little work progressing with their self confidence. In Part two Sam and Sophia take the first real step toward loving making. Still, their timid approach toward the mothers works well, but hopefully they ought to be more embolden with whatever the Devs come up with. Sophia has already a lot happen to her; sure, she would be somewhat reluctant but since she has mostly gone do the rabbit, mostly.

Its Elle and her rout that I can only ponder on. Yes, there are the beginnings of Sophia and Elle and its predictable. There is a hint of a Dylan and Elle rout. But I like how the DEVs are slowly changing that relationship to where it might be an option in further developments. In part two Elle discovers her boyfriend is a POS. I wonder how the DEVs will alter Elle's liking for meatheads and bad boys to accept Dylan. I can think of several ways to accomplish Elle's attitude changes.

How Sophia and Amber will react when they discover their sons are each other's lovers, well that will be interesting. About the only characters where the players don't care about are the fathers, Neil and Liam--nearly the perfect cucks.

D.H Lawrence ought to have consulted these games DEVs before writing "Lady Chatterleys Lover."

 

[Jungles70]

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[merin_aspic]

So May 2nd at 11:59 pm hawaiian time.

 

[Alley_Cat]

It was a slow start and didn't at first like Sophia. Saw her as being entitled and bitchy well on her way to being a "Karen." Am referring to the house movers opening. But as her character developed, she became someone you can empathize with. Now if I had been part of the writing team, I'd have written it so that she was more a neglected wife from her husband's attentions and made him more an asshole. That would have helped more with plausibility as the story unfolded.


What really makes the story work is the slow burn, and that slow burn allowed the plots to unfold. Now, I see story and game making as an art forum so I will not be too specific. You either like the art presented or you don't, and I am happy to have played it. So, I'll only hit on the highlights and themes. There isn't enough material to guess where the story will go. And I really don't fully understand the point system and haven't noticed much change with taking different choices. Simply, going the good wife kills options.

There are a lot of plot foils within this game and options. First you have two very different sisters, Sophia and Patricia. It's almost like watching Dr. Faust playout in front of you and the devil is wining. Likes, well that's easy. Developed character makes the game. You understand Patricia in that she is a free spirit--perhaps stemming from her wealth and easy lifestyle that makes her look for thrills. Sam and Dylan, need a little work progressing with their self confidence. In Part two Sam and Sophia take the first real step toward loving making. Still, their timid approach toward the mothers works well, but hopefully they ought to be more embolden with whatever the Devs come up with. Sophia has already a lot happen to her; sure, she would be somewhat reluctant but since she has mostly gone do the rabbit, mostly.

Its Elle and her rout that I can only ponder on. Yes, there are the beginnings of Sophia and Elle and its predictable. There is a hint of a Dylan and Elle rout. But I like how the DEVs are slowly changing that relationship to where it might be an option in further developments. In part two Elle discovers her boyfriend is a POS. I wonder how the DEVs will alter Elle's liking for meatheads and bad boys to accept Dylan. I can think of several ways to accomplish Elle's attitude changes.

How Sophia and Amber will react when they discover their sons are each other's lovers, well that will be interesting. About the only characters where the players don't care about are the fathers, Neil and Liam--nearly the perfect cucks.

D.H Lawrence ought to have consulted these games DEVs before writing "Lady Chatterleys Lover."

Do you even play the Ellie route? Ellie doesn't actually like meatheads. She dates them because that's what's expected of her in order to be the popular head cheerleader, but why she's never gone all the way with a guy. We learn this in the last Ellie shower. It's her relationship with Jules that's based on liking and caring about another person.

The bonus storyline that you're playing has little at all to do with the Ellie route. You can even choose for Sophia to watch Dylan's football match, so that Sophia never takes Ellie to the sauna, and Ellie never actually meets Logan.

 

[Lederzar]

When L&P says "between" it actually means the latest date, so May 2 the update comes out, we'll have spoiler night, and it will be released here between the 3rd and 4th, there's still a long way to go.

After having spent 77 days working on this update, I hope that L&P shows us something interesting and not just the classic "touching the fabric"

 

[tofhdns]

Now if I had been part of the writing team, I'd have written it so that she was more a neglected wife from her husband's attentions and made him more an asshole. That would have helped more with plausibility as the story unfolded.

There isn't enough material to guess where the story will go. And I really don't fully understand the point system and haven't noticed much change with taking different choices. Simply, going the good wife kills options.

Sam and Dylan, need a little work progressing with their self confidence. In Part two Sam and Sophia take the first real step toward loving making. Still, their timid approach toward the mothers works well, but hopefully they ought to be more embolden with whatever the Devs come up with.

But I like how the DEVs are slowly changing that relationship to where it might be an option in further developments.

I wonder how the DEVs will alter Elle's liking for meatheads and bad boys to accept Dylan.

How Sophia and Amber will react when they discover their sons are each other's lovers, well that will be interesting.

D.H Lawrence ought to have consulted these games DEVs before writing "Lady Chatterleys Lover."

Everything you say is the beginning of the story (if it's a normal game or a normal novel), and most of what you write is regrets and wishes.

I want to know what part of this game impressed you as an author.

Because you, as a writer, said you like this game.


"But I like how the DEVs are slowly changing that relationship to where it might be an option in further developments. "
"How Sophia and Amber will react when they discover their sons are each other's lovers, well that will be interesting."

I could see that only these two sentences out of the whole sentence are your taste.


D.H Lawrence ought to have consulted these games DEVs before writing "Lady Chatterleys Lover."

And this article only makes me laugh.
Do you really think so?



The above is only a partial quotation.
I only quoted what I needed and this person's article should be read in its entirety.
Because this person obviously wrote something praising the game.

 

[lockerxx]

Release: between April 29th and May 2nd
Content: 416 renders, 26 Word pages of script, 3 animations

ok end of month Early days of may

 

[Gaos]

does someone know what is the song name in the hair style scene, where the MC is getting her hair done while a guy watch her tits on that transparent shirt? (It's a perfect fit for the scene btw genius stuff from the dev)

 

[ancienregimele]

I just stumbled upon this game, and I am very impressed! Storyline, art, plot it's like a 9.5 out of 10.

I am a writer--and half the battle is the story. I think the game I am thinking of is "Christine Watson" at this moment were there is great artwork, but the storyline just is dreadful and the plot weak. Not sure how many here have read JRR Martin's "Game of Thrones" series but its nonlinear. It makes the story and a lot of the subplots because it connects other plots. I can just image how much labor goes into the programing and the renders let alone editing. I wager it's like watching snails racing each other at the Daytona 500.

Almost 6000 posts about just this one game is its own testament how good the game is. Another good game "Summer Story" is shy of 120 posts. Its own success though has its own pitfalls though. The biggest potential flop is the Sam/Sophia plotline. How those two finally make love and how its depicted is the test stone. The make out scene in second part totally works. But there are another plotline involving Dylan and his sister (maybe) and eventually the two mothers of Dylan and Sam and how they are going to react when they discover each other's involvement with their sons.

Seriously the only way really to speed things is more programmers working with a director/writer.

Anyone new to AWAM & playing for the first time could be impressed. It has high quality renders with an attention to detail, as a refreshing change from the majority of corruption games. There were so many possibilities & potentially several hours of game play. There was the slow burn which helped to distinguish this VN/game, (VN= as it was when I started playing 6 years ago), from average 3D porn. Early in the development of AWAM there existed a veneer of realism, not often present in other games. It had the "class" that the developer claimed in his mission statement & a very individual method of tale telling. Back then the proliferation of characters, kinks & storylines almost seemed to be an advantage, with something for everyone. As for my own POV, having played a large number of games, AWAM looked set to become THE great 3D adult game, making full use of the artistic medium's potential in a way that was unique, as well as long overdue. Overall, in comparison to 3D sex gaming norms, this was not straightforward porn but a piece of genuine erotica. It was as if, at last, there existed a 3D erotic fiction, written by a grown-up for grown-ups. It carried on in this style for the first couple of years. Here was a developer with creativity, vision & ambition. Interest was & remains high. AWAM is a success story, judging by the Dev's ability to maintain a paying consumer base, while occasionally working on a game, where even the personalities of the main characters are not consistent but which, nevertheless attracts & retains a hard core of uncritical fans, for whom L&P is worthy only of congratulations & gratitude. If 1 render was released every 5 years, there'd still be many to sing the developer's praises.

Regrettably, with the exception of high quality renders, none of the above is now the case. AWAM proved too big a project for one person. Promises to recruit a team once particular targets had been achieved turned out not only to be untrue but resulted in targets, once met, having the goalposts moved. Several changes, over a number of years, in the pace of development announced as the means to speed up, had the opposite effect, as AWAM slowed to the current situation, of one event on one day taking 2 & a half months. AWAM's ending is thus estimated as being anywhere from the 2050s to 2070. Slowness helped to destroy the continuity & coherence of the various routes & plot threads, which themselves became riddled with plot-holes. Characters disappearing anywhere from 5 to 11 years are now the norm, making immersion from a player's POV impossible. There are various other examples of unforced errors, traceable with a trawl through this thread.

Even the accomplished writing skills, often in evidence, no longer seem to be applied, Sophia & Sam's encounter in his bedroom being, from my POV, the latest evidence of the complete abandonment of any attempt at realism. There is now a second MC, (the original MC's son), despite "2 MCs" being a contradiction in terms. AWAM is now average teen porn, reduced to the level of 2 virgin schoolboys engaged in an improbably manufactured 'race' to see how far they can get in their sexual relationships with their favourite MILF & as we've seen, being mightily impressive, when the opportunity arises. AWAM is now all about wish fulfilment for the under-18 audience, "where the market is."

If you stay with this game for a while, you'll see what I mean. That's if you've got 30-40 years to spare. I stick around for 2 reasons, i) curiousity, to see how bad this can get & ii) quality renders, still a cut above the rest. So, I'll end with the most positive thing I can still honestly say about this once-great game.

 

[DarthSpitz717]

Everything you say is the beginning of the story (if it's a normal game or a normal novel), and most of what you write is regrets and wishes.

I want to know what part of this game impressed you as an author.

Because you, as a writer, said you like this game.


"But I like how the DEVs are slowly changing that relationship to where it might be an option in further developments. "
"How Sophia and Amber will react when they discover their sons are each other's lovers, well that will be interesting."

I could see that only these two sentences out of the whole sentence are your taste.


D.H Lawrence ought to have consulted these games DEVs before writing "Lady Chatterleys Lover."

And this article only makes me laugh.
Do you really think so?



The above is only a partial quotation.
I only quoted what I needed and this person's article should be read in its entirety.
Because this person obviously wrote something praising the game.

Let's say if it's still a thing, Penthouse forum letters are sadly lacking in their imagination when compared to this game. Been a long time since I have read any--truth, those "letters" are rather dull and predictable. Have you read "Lady Chatterleys Lover?" Yes, it's a complement, but considering the author was a product of Victorian Era. But if to place this game/story against the pantheon of the likes of Hemingway, its way better.

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"But I like how the DEVs are slowly changing that relationship to where it might be an option in further developments. "
"How Sophia and Amber will react when they discover their sons are each other's lovers, well that will be interesting."

I could see that only these two sentences out of the whole sentence are your taste.
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Actually, that is a negative ghost rider. Because it's a real subplot point that the DEVs are addressing. It's the 800-pound gorilla in the room. It can't be left alone this plotline least it leaves behind a plot hole. Two mothers having relations with each other's sons have to have some resolution. Writing is too good to leave it open and left unresolved come the end of the game. Here is my personal horse in this race: I can't predict how it's going to be addressed and I love that. Thats part of the charm of this game is its unpredictability.

Yes, I have read JRR Martins "Game of Thrones" or "Song of ice and Fire" series. And its damn good because first I couldn't predict the plots' twists and turns. Disappointed in many of the series character outcomes, surprised with others, enjoyed and happy in others, sums up my liking of those books. Fun fact and it sounds like I am boasting but I have an autographed copy of "A Feast For Crows" where Martin wrote, Arya is safe but couldn't promise the outcome for The Hound

My wishes and desires have little to do with anything. First, its already written into stone and part of canon, but second, its first impression of the start of the story/game. Upon reflection however, I now see where the DEVs had in mind, like meeting someone for the first time and not liking them but you change your mind later on after getting to know them.

But to sum up why I like the story and plots of this game is the captured of the character emotions, motivations and feelings that are plausible, realistic and entertaining. Aspects you would find in a novel. In my youth I read my dad's western books called "Spur" and I'd say those are not the kind of works worth the label of novels-- might as well had read his Husler collection instead for the same affect.

 

[Nakirin]

How many deaths do I need in my country for an update to come out? There are a lot of orcs, say the number) It's just that the time update does not work, it probably needs victims (sorry dark humor)

 

[DarthSpitz717]

Do you even play the Ellie route? Ellie doesn't actually like meatheads. She dates them because that's what's expected of her in order to be the popular head cheerleader, but why she's never gone all the way with a guy. We learn this in the last Ellie shower. It's her relationship with Jules that's based on liking and caring about another person.

The bonus storyline that you're playing has little at all to do with the Ellie route. You can even choose for Sophia to watch Dylan's football match, so that Sophia never takes Ellie to the sauna, and Ellie never actually meets Logan.

Actually, I am going on the conversation Elle had with Sophia in the shower and her own words. Then there are her actions, like at the dance club. But it's fine actually that a young inexperienced girl would like the bad boys. To be sure there is peer pressure as a teenager would have as you correctly point out. Those reading these posts already been down that road and gotten the t-shirt to understand what it was like growing up. Question are the DEVs deliberately using this trope as part of their storyline or just capitalizing on how novias teenage girls are.

As to storyline paths that open x, y, and z content--sure. You got me there. But the path you take proves your point and the path I took proves mine. Damn better than just reading a book I say and having black and white outcomes. Hell, if one wants they can just pick good wife options making this all moot. But were we both can agree is it's a work in progress and right now both options are alive and there maybe things that surprise us both depending on paths taken and not taken.

 

[karleston]

Actually, I am going on the conversation Elle had with Sophia in the shower and her own words. Then there are her actions, like at the dance club. But it's fine actually that a young inexperienced girl would like the bad boys. To be sure there is peer pressure as a teenager would have as you correctly point out. Those reading these posts already been down that road and gotten the t-shirt to understand what it was like growing up. Question are the DEVs deliberately using this trope as part of their storyline or just capitalizing on how novias teenage girls are.

As to storyline paths that open x, y, and z content--sure. You got me there. But the path you take proves your point and the path I took proves mine. Damn better than just reading a book I say and having black and white outcomes. Hell, if one wants they can just pick good wife options making this all moot. But were we both can agree is it's a work in progress and right now both options are alive and there maybe things that surprise us both depending on paths taken and not taken.

Yes the writing was good but the quality decreased lately to be honest. I am sensing that the author is rushing things. Trying to take a direction that will satisfy the crowd with erotic scenes, while giving up on the build up. And to me that's where AWAM shines.

And it is getting worse lately with the sam - dylan scenes. I feel like sam's story had a proper build up while dylan's is a bit rushed. We don't really know yet what will happen in the upcoming update but from what people are saying it will most likely be the case. So overall i have mixed feelings about the writing to be honest. Sometimes it's great, and sometimes not that much.

 

[Deleted member 3218369]

30 April or 1 May for sure

 

[Serreos]

When will sex education classes resume? It is one of the coolest story threads.

It's the best .

 

[hzjujk]

I just stumbled upon this game, and I am very impressed! Storyline, art, plot it's like a 9.5 out of 10.

I am a writer--and half the battle is the story. I think the game I am thinking of is "Christine Watson" at this moment were there is great artwork, but the storyline just is dreadful and the plot weak. Not sure how many here have read JRR Martin's "Game of Thrones" series but its nonlinear. It makes the story and a lot of the subplots because it connects other plots. I can just image how much labor goes into the programing and the renders let alone editing. I wager it's like watching snails racing each other at the Daytona 500.

Almost 6000 posts about just this one game is its own testament how good the game is. Another good game "Summer Story" is shy of 120 posts. Its own success though has its own pitfalls though. The biggest potential flop is the Sam/Sophia plotline. How those two finally make love and how its depicted is the test stone. The make out scene in second part totally works. But there are another plotline involving Dylan and his sister (maybe) and eventually the two mothers of Dylan and Sam and how they are going to react when they discover each other's involvement with their sons.

Seriously the only way really to speed things is more programmers working with a director/writer.

As for the writing, I can't agree with you. In my opinion, there are better authors who are far ahead of L&P in terms of both narrative style and dialogue. L&P's dialogues are almost always stilted and are far from humorous and easygoing. But this is just a very personal impression, because I've learned from reading many books that different authors have different writing styles and I sometimes have a hard time adapting to them.
But what is pretty unique about L&P is the connection between dialogue/story and the pictures. Hardly any other author takes so much trouble to illustrate the flow of an event, the interactions of the characters and the dialogues (with elaborately rendered images) in such a way that the basic erotic mood is conveyed very well. That is what characterizes the VN for me. The combination of image and word.
Of course, this has its price if you are a lone fighter and obviously have a working style that is incompatible with the idea of a team.
After six years of development, there are gaps in the story, logical errors that a proofreader would notice and that, as you might have noticed as a writer, disrupt the flow of the story quite a bit while reading.
But now it is the case that here in this forum many mosquitoes are inflated to elephants. If you read further back in this thread you will find a discussion of the capacity of a handbag that illustrates this very well.
It is also the case that due to the long development time, which also due to L&P's thoroughness and Obsession with detail, some fetishes and characters do not appear again for a long time. I have the suspicion that some of the narrative problems discussed here, and the recurring demand to shorten the story because it is too long, cumbersome and not very effective, have very selfish reasons.
Finally, I would like to join one of the previous speakers. I'm staying because I'm curious, not about what abysses the story is still based on, but about how it will continue, because I enjoy the detailed pictures, because for me, unlike others here, there is something in almost every update and that's so ridiculous sounds, the virtual character Sophia looks simply breathtaking in some pictures.