VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[jackdiddley]

Jim Carry roasting L&P and then the rest of the forum members.

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I think his next line was, "I'll see ya later, dickhead!"

 

[Sonny86]

This dragging out update is totally par for the course of majority of games on this site!! It shouldn't be news to any regular!!!

 

[fernandopoo]

Here's my theory: he's stuck and he's trying to dig his way out. Whatever the original concept was, the event hasn't worked out. Now he's cobbling something together to compensate for a weak foundation. My gut tells me that he's struggling to advance Dylan's progress without resorting to sexual content. L&P has slow played everything to an extreme degree, but at some point even he knows it doesn't make sense. In the context of the last update, and knowing that Dylan will surpass Sam, how isn't the result in this update sex? I expect some mutual masterbation at minimum, but that's probably still too much for L&P. But how much less can be really give us? He wants plausible deniability by giving us something without giving us too much. But I think he's running out of excuses to keep progress stagnant.

To write erotica or porn you have to be a special kind of writer, I think. You have to be able to express yourself in terms that, to be honest, I couldn't normally use even with my partners (I have that kind of upbringing, I must confess). And yup, as long as it is only suggestive tone and not describably crude is relatively easy. But when you go into hard core you have to be (again, it is just my opinion) capable of verbalizing the kind of things that I think when I am horny but that my education makes difficult to say, : ) So if L&P is a bit like me, yup, he has a problem (and by extension so users of his work like me).

 

[new_user!]

So let me get this straight, he doesn't want to hire someone right now but he will do it once his support and income drop ? That's a good strategy. Invest when your income drops. Never heard of it but a good one nonetheless

His only way out is to abandon the game and it might be better for you but certainly not for us. I am well aware that there is a very slim chance that we get to see the end of it, but i am hoping we can find something better until then .

His only way NOT to quit the game, and it would be better for us - not to try to embrace the immensity and finally decide on the main theme of his game and bring it to its logical conclusion in a reasonable time (even by himself), and not try to tell us all the gossip in the city all his life.

 

[palmtrees89]

If you are so good, why did you not write a scenario and offer it to a 3D Artist for making a game...

She's just coming to a logical conclusion now that we have more info on what part02 is gonna be like. L&P is the one who, being the developer, should have noticed that the entire thing would have made more sense if the parts were reversed. He's the one planning the events, writing the events, creating art for the events. He should have noticed it during the planning of said events. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

She's just coming to a logical conclusion now that we have more info on what part02 is gonna be like. L&P is the one who, being the developer, should have noticed that the entire thing would have made more sense if the parts were reversed. He's the one planning the events, writing the events, creating art for the events. He should have noticed it during the planning of said events. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

I think he did this with his script when he got writers block

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

If you are so good, why did you not write a scenario and offer it to a 3D Artist for making a game...

This is such a lazy way to hand-wave my criticism. Any developer, whether it's L&P or Dr. Pink Cake, or Mr. Palmer, is responsible for planning out and executing their game. Pointing out the flaw isn't the problem, the problem lays with L&P for fumbling the end of PD13. Can you seriously look at Part 1 and 2 and think "there was no way to avoid this."? He should have seen this coming from a mile away.

To write erotica or porn you have to be a special kind of writer, I think. You have to be able to express yourself in terms that, to be honest, I couldn't normally use even with my partners (I have that kind of upbringing, I must confess). And yup, as long as it is only suggestive tone and not describably crude is relatively easy. But when you go into hard core you have to be (again, it is just my opinion) capable of verbalizing the kind of things that I think when I am horny but that my education makes difficult to say, : ) So if L&P is a bit like me, yup, he has a problem (and by extension so users of his work like me).

I don't think L&P has any problem writing erotica. He isn't delaying or stalling out of any sense of bashfulness or discomfort over the subject material; he's delaying because he's trying to create a sense of anticipation and suspense (and that's being generous, many would accuse him of far more nefarious reasoning). But that desire to prolong the suspense is in contrast to a story that can't justify any more prolonging. L&P is afraid that, once Sophia has sex with a character that isn't Liam, that a certain sense of anticipation and titillation will be lost. He wants to build the tension as long as possible to maximize the effect of when Sophia finally has sex. He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.

My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up. But because of how he's structured this update, he's struggling to find a coherent way for Sophia and Dylan to move their relationship forward WITHOUT it resulting in something overtly sexual. The bath in part 1 was very sexual, but it kept a thin veneer that Sophia could pretend it wasn't sexual. It was flimsy, and silly, but fine ok. But if Dylan and Sophia's next encounter has to exceed both the bath tub event AND Sam's actions in the hot tub, then there's no way for Sophia to pretend it isn't overtly sexual. And once that happens there's no going back. The idea that we are still YEARS away from the first sexual encounter doesn't seem feasible any longer.

 

[joelurmel]

So much useless and hateful criticism... Why don't you take your hate elsewhere and leave those who love this game alone. All you risk doing is that L&P will end up giving up the game and those who love it will be sad not to see the end...

 

[karleston]

So much useless and hateful criticism... Why don't you take your hate elsewhere and leave those who love this game alone. All you risk doing is that L&P will end up giving up the game and those who love it will be sad not to see the end...

Careful boy, you just jumped headfirst on a landmine. Karens are hiding behind every bush waiting to pounce on you in 3..2..1

This is such a lazy way to hand-wave my criticism. Any developer, whether it's L&P or Dr. Pink Cake, or Mr. Palmer, is responsible for planning out and executing their game. Pointing out the flaw isn't the problem, the problem lays with L&P for fumbling the end of PD13. Can you seriously look at Part 1 and 2 and think "there was no way to avoid this."? He should have seen this coming from a mile away.



I don't think L&P has any problem writing erotica. He isn't delaying or stalling out of any sense of bashfulness or discomfort over the subject material; he's delaying because he's trying to create a sense of anticipation and suspense (and that's being generous, many would accuse him of far more nefarious reasoning). But that desire to prolong the suspense is in contrast to a story that can't justify any more prolonging. L&P is afraid that, once Sophia has sex with a character that isn't Liam, that a certain sense of anticipation and titillation will be lost. He wants to build the tension as long as possible to maximize the effect of when Sophia finally has sex. He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.

My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up. But because of how he's structured this update, he's struggling to find a coherent way for Sophia and Dylan to move their relationship forward WITHOUT it resulting in something overtly sexual. The bath in part 1 was very sexual, but it kept a thin veneer that Sophia could pretend it wasn't sexual. It was flimsy, and silly, but fine ok. But if Dylan and Sophia's next encounter has to exceed both the bath tub event AND Sam's actions in the hot tub, then there's no way for Sophia to pretend it isn't overtly sexual. And once that happens there's no going back. The idea that we are still YEARS away from the first sexual encounter doesn't seem feasible any longer.

He has no other choice but to do that. I mean we are not talking about penetration but it needs to be something spicy. He already stated that dylan will surpass Sam so there's no way around it. Dylan played with her breast on part 1 so i am guessing part 2 will contain at least kissing, groping, and some action involving genitals.

And this time he can't use the excuse of someone interrupting because it will be Hiroshima for the family.So if i had to bet, I'd say that's the tricky part that he is struggling with. How to put an end to the action

 

[Ruby Tuesday]

This is such a lazy way to hand-wave my criticism. Any developer, whether it's L&P or Dr. Pink Cake, or Mr. Palmer, is responsible for planning out and executing their game. Pointing out the flaw isn't the problem, the problem lays with L&P for fumbling the end of PD13. Can you seriously look at Part 1 and 2 and think "there was no way to avoid this."? He should have seen this coming from a mile away.



I don't think L&P has any problem writing erotica. He isn't delaying or stalling out of any sense of bashfulness or discomfort over the subject material; he's delaying because he's trying to create a sense of anticipation and suspense (and that's being generous, many would accuse him of far more nefarious reasoning). But that desire to prolong the suspense is in contrast to a story that can't justify any more prolonging. L&P is afraid that, once Sophia has sex with a character that isn't Liam, that a certain sense of anticipation and titillation will be lost. He wants to build the tension as long as possible to maximize the effect of when Sophia finally has sex. He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.

My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up. But because of how he's structured this update, he's struggling to find a coherent way for Sophia and Dylan to move their relationship forward WITHOUT it resulting in something overtly sexual. The bath in part 1 was very sexual, but it kept a thin veneer that Sophia could pretend it wasn't sexual. It was flimsy, and silly, but fine ok. But if Dylan and Sophia's next encounter has to exceed both the bath tub event AND Sam's actions in the hot tub, then there's no way for Sophia to pretend it isn't overtly sexual. And once that happens there's no going back. The idea that we are still YEARS away from the first sexual encounter doesn't seem feasible any longer.

I would agree with most of that. L&P is probably planning ways of further spinning out the sex-ed/girlfriend role-play/duty as a mother, call it what you will contradictory content in any way possible before crossing the line. Perhaps not for financial reasons (to give him his due) but because he knows it will transform the parameters of the story line, have wider implications for creating the tension we all love to hate.
He also knows he is on sensitive ground regards the relationship of the chosen characters and the platforms available to him.
One could say this is a major threshold moment in the game, and these could be among the reasons for the delayed release date.

 

[Peter Sony]

If I refer to my memory: At the beginning he said he was a student and wanted to develop a game as a hobby and that the donors would allow him to acquire a better computer. Then the donors could help him change his video card...memory...new computer...new software...learn how to make it work....translator... Autrenebt says L&P was a victim of his donors. A hobby has become an essential income for him. (If we believe that he is alone to create this game). This is one of the reasons for the number of characters they add all the time and the inconsistent events that develop slowly. Example: Mothers never talk to each other about their sexual desires for their teenagers. We are talking here about a comic strip not of legal right in society. Several avenue of sexual fantasy its constant step. Personally, I believe that L&P has a lot of potential to entertain us pleasantly. It's just that it will take him a few more years. So his next creativities will correct his weaknesses in this game.

 

[dkatryl]

This is such a lazy way to hand-wave my criticism. Any developer, whether it's L&P or Dr. Pink Cake, or Mr. Palmer, is responsible for planning out and executing their game. Pointing out the flaw isn't the problem, the problem lays with L&P for fumbling the end of PD13. Can you seriously look at Part 1 and 2 and think "there was no way to avoid this."? He should have seen this coming from a mile away.



I don't think L&P has any problem writing erotica. He isn't delaying or stalling out of any sense of bashfulness or discomfort over the subject material; he's delaying because he's trying to create a sense of anticipation and suspense (and that's being generous, many would accuse him of far more nefarious reasoning). But that desire to prolong the suspense is in contrast to a story that can't justify any more prolonging. L&P is afraid that, once Sophia has sex with a character that isn't Liam, that a certain sense of anticipation and titillation will be lost. He wants to build the tension as long as possible to maximize the effect of when Sophia finally has sex. He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.

My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up. But because of how he's structured this update, he's struggling to find a coherent way for Sophia and Dylan to move their relationship forward WITHOUT it resulting in something overtly sexual. The bath in part 1 was very sexual, but it kept a thin veneer that Sophia could pretend it wasn't sexual. It was flimsy, and silly, but fine ok. But if Dylan and Sophia's next encounter has to exceed both the bath tub event AND Sam's actions in the hot tub, then there's no way for Sophia to pretend it isn't overtly sexual. And once that happens there's no going back. The idea that we are still YEARS away from the first sexual encounter doesn't seem feasible any longer.

I largely feel the same way.

This is basically L&P and his patrons at this point:
In this case, dropping the bass is Sophia finally banging someone other than Liam

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

So much useless and hateful criticism... Why don't you take your hate elsewhere and leave those who love this game alone. All you risk doing is that L&P will end up giving up the game and those who love it will be sad not to see the end...

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[tofhdns]

I think something is happening in this game, like in the movie, that the first part of the series gets broken because of the second part of the series.

And you(fanboys), too, are not loyal to this game and will soon find another game if this game is discontinued.



And

I hope people who call themselves fanboys go to Patreon.

This is not a church where you repent, praise, and give offerings.

Go to LP's Patreon and you offering to him, praise him and confess your love to him. for him and for you.

This is a place to rate and discuss games.

In the process of evaluating and discussing games, criticism can of course come out.

Especially if, like now, most of the settings in Part 1 are ignored, and consistency is broken, and characters' faces change frequently.

And fanboys ironically don't read the game's narration and dialogue.

"Fanboys, go to Patreon. There's a warm space for you there. And LP will hold your hand there."

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

No, if I did something like that, you would be the first to know. And I would do it very publicly. A hit with an announcement, so to speak.
You're still on my ignore list by the way, I was only interested in the repartee you're having with carleston. As always when you get stuck you start insulting. But he seems to be a worthy opponent.

It was literally the first and only time* I have ever addressed anyone in an impolite way - in a response, and after my previous response was deleted and original message kept. But, of course, you know better, once you.. ignore me
In general, this thread has become unbearably toxic, and the level of toxicity is directly proportional to the increasing amount of horse shit we're receiving from the dev. Unfortunately, it is a mission impossible to explain how the real world works to some, and that's ok, I guess... Why would this forum be different than the real world out there, anyway..?



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*) except for that notorious buffoon liar dev, ofc

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.
My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up.

Spot on right there!

 

[karleston]

I think something is happening in this game, like in the movie, that the first part of the series gets broken because of the second part of the series.

And you(fanboys), too, are not loyal to this game and will soon find another game if this game is discontinued.



And

I hope people who call themselves fanboys go to Patreon.

This is not a church where you repent, praise, and give offerings.

Go to LP's Patreon and you offering to him, praise him and confess your love to him. for him and for you.

This is a place to rate and discuss games.

In the process of evaluating and discussing games, criticism can of course come out.

Especially if, like now, most of the settings in Part 1 are ignored, and consistency is broken, and characters' faces change frequently.

And fanboys ironically don't read the game's narration and dialogue.

"Fanboys, go to Patreon. There's a warm space for you there. And LP will hold your hand there."

 

[Awamboy]

I think he did this with his script when he got writers block
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He just came up with one line: "The night was humid"

 

[jamdan]

I don't think L&P has any problem writing erotica. He isn't delaying or stalling out of any sense of bashfulness or discomfort over the subject material; he's delaying because he's trying to create a sense of anticipation and suspense (and that's being generous, many would accuse him of far more nefarious reasoning). But that desire to prolong the suspense is in contrast to a story that can't justify any more prolonging. L&P is afraid that, once Sophia has sex with a character that isn't Liam, that a certain sense of anticipation and titillation will be lost. He wants to build the tension as long as possible to maximize the effect of when Sophia finally has sex. He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.

My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up. But because of how he's structured this update, he's struggling to find a coherent way for Sophia and Dylan to move their relationship forward WITHOUT it resulting in something overtly sexual. The bath in part 1 was very sexual, but it kept a thin veneer that Sophia could pretend it wasn't sexual. It was flimsy, and silly, but fine ok. But if Dylan and Sophia's next encounter has to exceed both the bath tub event AND Sam's actions in the hot tub, then there's no way for Sophia to pretend it isn't overtly sexual. And once that happens there's no going back. The idea that we are still YEARS away from the first sexual encounter doesn't seem feasible any longer.

I don't think LP cares about the long term profits in regards to Dylan sex. If anything, Dylan and Sophia getting it on will boost his profits because people want porn content, not "realistic" content.

I think his issues with this update are 2 main things. I don't buy the art stuff or rendering, it's story related.

- There is no reasonable way for Sophia and Dylan to have sex in this update, it's far too soon in the story. Not just for Dylan & Sophia, but for Sophia in regards to her progress with everyone else too.

But there is also no reasonable way for them to not do something very sexual, especially with all the buildup previously and previous statements. So he has to figure out how to do sexual stuff, groping kissing etc for this event but not too much too soon.

- And that is a big issue. Because that is basically repeating Sam's hot tub event, which I'm sure he doesn't want to do and it's not much of an escalation of what happened in the bath earlier.

Dylan and Sophia make out, Dylan grabs her boobs and so on and just when it gets good...out comes Liam from bed because he heard something.

So he has to figure out how to thread the needle and keep things in the realm of semi-plausible.

I think your idea that the updates should be reversed is pretty good. The club is first and then the bath, but it's too late for that. A downside of cutting this update into 2 parts.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

I'd just like to see a conclusion to the apostles story line. Just as Sophia is about to teach and show them intercourse, the door to the room opens and Liam, Sam, Ellie, Dylan, Patricia, Carl, the movers, all of Sophia's students at school, Natalie, Amber, Neil, Claire, Dylan's soccer team, the four drunks in the park, Mr. Murray, Ellie's friends in the dance course, the college guys at the museum, the fitness instructor, spa masseurs, and the nursing home geezers all walk in at the same time through the same door, stop and look at each other saying, "What the fuck...?", the room explodes, THE END!