VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Night Hacker]

You don't need a story for realism...
This is the basis for any story...

Which is it? Do we need a story, or not?!

 

[hu lover]

Which is it? Do we need a story, or not?!

Games need a good story.

 

[Alley_Cat]

He asked about Sophia/Sam - isn't the very short event in 1st update of PD14 (as per the Almanach)?

Since the first two events of the day are very short, L&P could potentially combine them into the one update, but since the 2nd event of the day is the Sam event, I'm assuming it will be the 2nd update.

 

[ihl86]

Which is it? Do we need a story, or not?!

As a short answer I don't know if need is the correct word. I don't know if we need a porn game to be anything, it's more about wants here. And for me personally, I definitely want a story. Preferably a good story. If I want to see people fucking, I would watch porn, as porn with real people will always be better than some rendered images in terms of how it looks.


As a longer explanation to my post:

If you don't take my first statement out of context and read the whole sentence I think it's pretty clear.

A translation of what I wanted to say:
"You don't need a story for realism, in the sense, this is how the real world is." = A story doesn't have to respect real world rules. In that sense, a story doesn't need realism. But only in that sense.

The whole point was if we need realism, not if we need a story . And I was at least trying to express that what makes a story realistic, isn't if the real world is following the rules of the story. What makes a story realistic is if it follows it's own rules.
For example, I think Lord of the Rings is realistic. It follows the rules it establishes within its own world. If Frodo could fight and kill anyone and anything in it's path towards Mount Doom, that would not have been realistic. As he was an inexperienced hobbit with no battle experience and no special powers.
Does that mean anyone expects elves or orc or anything else from the books to be present in the real world? No.

If we now move this to the context of AWAM:
If Sophia starts banging everyone she meets from now on, it would not be realistic, as in the world it established, she is not that kind of woman. In fact, because of the playing days I would say AWAM is already leaving the realm of realism it says it want to keep. The amount of lewd activities she did on Friday is extremely high for someone like her. If the events would have been stretched over a few days, maybe a week, it would have made much more sense.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

v 0.195 & PD14

In this new update, which is an alternative of Dylan/Sophia part II, we expect to see the Parker siblings bond more following the morning events of PD13. Dylan protected his sister and Christine liked his cheerful mood. He should be able to get some booze for the party and as per LP’s common practice so far this is used to loosen up the Parkers. We should expect a similar-ish outcome to Sophia/Dylan part II. I would say (i.e. speculate) LP may give us the option to see that outcome either with Christine or with Ellie. The next day mother and daughter might want to discuss about Ellie’s relationship with Logan, her possible relationship with Sam (he brought her home by the end of PD12) and/or the evening events of PD13. As per my conversation with LP I get the impression that he wants to speed up things and publish all 3 morning events in 1. Realistically speaking this should be no later than May 2024.

Regarding the outcome of the v 0.195 bear in mind that according to our Almanac:

These are the girls who may bring Dylan to a “happy ending”: Sophia, Ellie, Amber, Marie, Emma, Patricia

Since we already know that the Emma event is going to be eliminated I would change it with Christine. She is in the list with relationship points and the maximum you can get up to Sophia/Dylan part II is 3 points.

 

[Foulron]

What do you mean by "no final save being made"? Were you asked to create a final save at the very end of the game?

I was not asked to make a final save i tried it several times. I am downloading the game again to see if the problem was in my version.
Downloaded 1.50 again loaded up the forlast save and now i got the save message. So yup it was a problem with my older download of 1.5. tnx for the reply.

 

[Sonny86]

Let's just go to the horse farm already!!!

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Are you saying L&P dribbled himself off to death with endless branching and pointless characters introduction? If so, then I totally agree. Even though, of all side characters, Emma was the cutest and could be potentially very useful.

I think L&P started Emma's decline prior to becoming a potential LI for Dylan - it started when he moved her from Sophia's classroom to that of another teacher.

Imagine Aiden's tasks playing out where Sophia could have flashed Emma instead of Zack, for example.

While it might have initially shocked Emma, Sophia could have confided in her later about some of what was going on and enlisted Emma's help to give her other options when responding to Aiden's tasks.

If another task involved letting a student touch Sophia's breasts - Emma, knowing some of what is happening with Aiden, could help Sophia and fuel her own lesbian interests (and Sophia's) at the same time.

Emma could have become a more regular visitor to the Parker household to swim and have some girl time, as thanks for her support of Sophia, all while Emma developed and advanced a lesbian crush on her hot teacher.

AWAM held so much potential during the initial 10 PDs, but much of it has been squandered away with the Uber slow development speed.

One offs like the museum guys could have been abandoned in favor of building and maintaining more meaningful story arcs.

To me, L&P does not stand for Lust and Passion - it stands for Lost Possibilities.

Cheers!

 

[Alley_Cat]

I think L&P started Emma's decline prior to becoming a potential LI for Dylan - it started when he moved her from Sophia's classroom to that of another teacher.

Imagine Aiden's tasks playing out where Sophia could have flashed Emma instead of Zack, for example.

While it might have initially shocked Emma, Sophia could have confided in her later about some of what was going on and enlisted Emma's help to give her other options when responding to Aiden's tasks.

If another task involved letting a student touch Sophia's breasts - Emma, knowing some of what is happening with Aiden, could help Sophia and fuel her own lesbian interests (and Sophia's) at the same time.

Emma could have become a more regular visitor to the Parker household to swim and have some girl time, as thanks for her support of Sophia, all while Emma developed and advanced a lesbian crush on her hot teacher.

AWAM held so much potential during the initial 10 PDs, but much of it has been squandered away with the Uber slow development speed.

One offs like the museum guys could have been abandoned in favor of building and maintaining more meaningful story arcs.

To me, L&P does not stand for Lust and Passion - it stands for Lost Possibilities.

Cheers!

I more wonder what might have happened if Emma was invited over when Elena and Jules came over.

That way Emma's content isn't locked behind the Dylan route, because who on the Dylan route is interested in Emma?

 

[Akirito]

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[armion82]

Question! What's next?

For all you doom and gloom types, your likely right about Sophia when it comes to Sam and Dylan. Sure you can script the two or three in a scene where they just can't act freely, but generally speaking, it's going to be a long time before either Sam or Dylan get their chance with Sophia. What is left is a chicken verse the egg kind of questions, or what happens first. Does Sam get Sophia first or does Dylan? Is there something else that occurs before them two???

Now here is way this long-drawn-out story has its advantage. Yes, the developer can just rush everything headlong and forget there is any premise of a game--likely not going to happen. Or might the developer opt for a surprise. Patricia is still out there and maybe the developer circles back to her and Sophia going on a museum date with the two college boys and that is where the ice is broken. And if so, should that be the point where things ought to take a turn? Are there another Darkhorse candidates we are forgetting about? And should that be the time and place?

Yes, it's taking forever! But then, if possible routes are killed off because of being impatient for new content, then you are not going to get to see all your favorites get involved.

From a writer's point of view there is just one certainty as to Dylan's route. Dylan hooks up and has his first with Amber. Then he can go after whoever, but in the end he ultimately "consummates" with Sophia. The only script/plot failing with Dylan is Dylan's fantasies. If you are in love, taking your love interest from behind and not missionary to look into their eyes takes away from plausibility.

Personally, from a writing perspective, there is plenty of room to introduce new characters that are a dead-end in themselves but play a factor in other events.

Let's say there is going to be an Ellie/Dylan route. You can bring back some old characters to put Ellie and Dylan in a situation where they become closure... (fixing the computer was a good icebreaker for that possible route) Or you can introduce some new characters that cause Ellie and Dylan to become closer. Same can be said of Sophia. Bring back and older character to give Sophia a moral dilemma, or introduce or expand a background character and use that as a foil like, Tobe.

We all know egg happen way before the chicken.
Fishes and reptiles were roaming the Earth millions of years before first bird.

Can anyone tell me when will be sam update comes...?

Sometime in 2024.But will be short update and nothing major will happen.
Don't expect firther sexual progress for Sam in his next 2 events with Sophia.
What you are looking for will be probably on PD17-so check after 5 years.

 

[disaster007]

what's new in this version.......?????

 

[ihl86]

I think L&P started Emma's decline prior to becoming a potential LI for Dylan - it started when he moved her from Sophia's classroom to that of another teacher.

Imagine Aiden's tasks playing out where Sophia could have flashed Emma instead of Zack, for example.

While it might have initially shocked Emma, Sophia could have confided in her later about some of what was going on and enlisted Emma's help to give her other options when responding to Aiden's tasks.

If another task involved letting a student touch Sophia's breasts - Emma, knowing some of what is happening with Aiden, could help Sophia and fuel her own lesbian interests (and Sophia's) at the same time.

Emma could have become a more regular visitor to the Parker household to swim and have some girl time, as thanks for her support of Sophia, all while Emma developed and advanced a lesbian crush on her hot teacher.

AWAM held so much potential during the initial 10 PDs, but much of it has been squandered away with the Uber slow development speed.

One offs like the museum guys could have been abandoned in favor of building and maintaining more meaningful story arcs.

To me, L&P does not stand for Lust and Passion - it stands for Lost Possibilities.

Cheers!

It would certainly have been a fun way to spice things up on the Aiden route. One could also consider that maybe the player didn't like Zac and in that case, Emma could have been the one to "help her" with her tasks instead of Zac. Players could have a choice, instead of having to do stuff with Zac.

In the same time, I think, at least at first, L&P had his own story to write and his own ideas where that story wanted to go. Would we have enjoyed a different story more? It is a possibility but everyone will write the story they envision. That is if what is driving them forward to write the story is the vision they have for it and not financial gains or time restrictions. So in the end, we are reading/playing L&Ps story for Sophia.

If I was L&P and I wanted to include more stuff but didn't have the time for them anymore, because the development is already slow and the patrons don't want the time to be spent on side paths I would have chosen to do it in another way:
Write the story I wanted, do only a couple of render for it, just to illustrate very roughly what happened. Make it more like a skippable short story with a few images, that is still in the cannon of the game but doesn't take up that much time. With the option to make it a DLC in the future and extend the content to full on renders IF I ever finished the game and there was interest in it.
Such side routes include Dylan and Emma, the museum guys and so on.

 

[1879]

My thought is either L&P continues the game on the emotional basis where Sophia is always doing something physical but her train of thought is very important. For that, the lyrics would have to be much more and more profound.

Or L&P finally gives her the fucking but he can't take Dylan, Sam or Liam, that would be too cheap.
Let's not forget that in both scenes with Sam and Dylan Sophia mentions how unhappy she is sexually and the scene with Dylan she thinks it's really just about a cock.
So she's ready to do it.
With Sam she got her orgasm with Dylan he got his orgasm. Isn't that a bit selfish?
Although the lesbian aspect of this game isn't that important to me but I would put in a lesbian scene where they both get it done and then a fuck scene with an adult to end their suffering.
It would have quite a few.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Did anyone ever find out what schools Sam and Julia go to? Considering that Julia is internationally well known (at least in the ballet circuit) I assume she'd go to an elite school like Ellie, possibly even the same one.

Sam, since I don't play his route, I'm not sure about.

 

[armion82]

Did anyone ever find out what schools Sam and Julia go to? Considering that Julia is internationally well known (at least in the ballet circuit) I assume she'd go to an elite school like Ellie, possibly even the same one.

Sam, since I don't play his route, I'm not sure about.

Sam must be a member of the Tree School.
After all he is always spying on Sophia from the tree house.

 

[Pagdor]

Sam must be a member of the Tree School.
After all he is always spying on Sophia from the tree house.

He's just trying to branch out to new things. Leaf him alone.

 

[hzjujk]

My thought is either L&P continues the game on the emotional basis where Sophia is always doing something physical but her train of thought is very important. For that, the lyrics would have to be much more and more profound.

Or L&P finally gives her the fucking but he can't take Dylan, Sam or Liam, that would be too cheap.
Let's not forget that in both scenes with Sam and Dylan Sophia mentions how unhappy she is sexually and the scene with Dylan she thinks it's really just about a cock.
So she's ready to do it.
With Sam she got her orgasm with Dylan he got his orgasm. Isn't that a bit selfish?
Although the lesbian aspect of this game isn't that important to me but I would put in a lesbian scene where they both get it done and then a fuck scene with an adult to end their suffering.
It would have quite a few.

At the end of the last update, Sophia is totally confused. So overcome with shame and guilt that some of her sentences and thoughts sound like she's about to have a nervous breakdown. The last thoughts we read are that she really wants to talk to Dylan the next day.
Dylan events keep happening throughout the weekend. So there is no break and therefore not so many opportunities to let Sophia forget her doubts before the next Dylan/Sophia event.
In this way, L&P wrote it in a corner from which it should not come out without a confrontation (Dylan/Sophia conversation).
But since L&P has consistently avoided resolving in-game conflicts and inconsistencies in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens here.

A simple possibility: Sophia wants to talk to Dylan, but postpones the time after the game so that Dylan doesn't play this important game with "emotional baggage". After the game, events don't go as planned for Sophia. Sexual interactions continue, either with Darnel or with Dylan, and the conversation makes no sense after that.

Second Possibility: When Dylan mentioned in the bath tub that he had uncovered a secret from his mother, Sophia's thoughts were that she has a couple of secrets that are better left undisclosed. What if Sophia has had an affair before and Dylan knew about it because he saw something as a kid. In this way, in a conversation with Sophia, any moral argument from Sophia could be ineffective. (I'm not talking about Dylan's blackmail). I think the likelihood of this twist occurring now is close to zero, but it would also be typical of L&P's sometimes eratic storytelling.

Third possibility: Liam had an affair in the past and Dylan and Elli know about it. That would explain the great emotional distance between the two and their father. And give Dylan a chance to refute his mother's arguments. On the other hand, L&P has always written that Liam is not cheating on his wife. And that this would be a bomb for Sophia. So the probability of such a turn is zero.

The middle ground: The conversation takes place and Sophia asks her son if he doesn't see her as mother and son but as wife and husband, why he has no problem with taking the wife away from another man who, despite the role play, is his own father. Why does he show so little respect and/or love?
Here Dylan could argue that his father hasn't been interested in his dreams, his hobbies and his achievements for years and always makes fun of him. And he could then ask his mother if she doesn't notice that he thinks his father does the same thing with Sophia. And Sophia suddenly realizes that Dylan is making an important point in this case. And that then clears the way for more sexual interactions after the soccer game.

 

[Nettuno8090]

Osservando gli ultimi due rendering (Sophya a letto con Liam che dorme e anche in base alla didascalia) mi è sembrato che, il giorno dopo, dovesse parlare con Liam, e non con Dylan. Forse ho capito maschio?

Alla fine dell'ultimo aggiornamento, Sophia è totalmente confusa. Così sopraffatta dalla vergogna e dal senso di colpa che alcune delle sue frasi e dei suoi pensieri sembrano come se stesse per avere un esaurimento nervoso. Gli ultimi pensieri che leggiamo sono che vuole davvero parlare con Dylan il giorno dopo.
Gli eventi di Dylan continuano ad accadere durante tutto il fine settimana. Quindi non c'è pausa e quindi non ci sono così tante opportunità per lasciare che Sophia dimentichi i suoi dubbi prima del prossimo evento Dylan/Sophia.
In questo modo, L&P lo ha scritto in un angolo dal quale non dovrebbe uscire senza un confronto (conversazione Dylan/Sophia).
Ma poiché in passato L&P ha costantemente evitato di risolvere conflitti e incoerenze nel gioco, non ero sorpreso se la stessa cosa accadesse qui.

Una possibilità semplice: Sophia vuole parlare con Dylan, ma posticipa il dopo partita in modo che Dylan non giochi questa partita importante con un "bagaglio emotivo". Dopo la partita, gli eventi per Sophia non vanno come previsti. Le interazioni sessuali continuano, sia con Darrel che con Dylan, e dopo ciò la conversazione non ha più senso.

Seconda possibilità: quando Dylan ha menzionato nella vasca da bagno di aver scoperto un segreto di sua madre, il pensiero di Sophia era che lei aveva un paio di segreti che sarebbe meglio non rivelare. E se Sophia aveva già avuto una relazione e Dylan lo sapesse perché aveva visto qualcosa da bambino? In questo modo, in una conversazione con Sophia, qualsiasi argomento morale di Sophia potrebbe essere inefficace. (Non sto parlando del ricatto di Dylan). Penso che la probabilità che questa svolta si verifichi ora sia vicina allo zero, ma sarebbe anche tipica della narrazione a volte eratica di L&P.

Terza possibilità: Liam ha avuto una relazione in passato e Dylan ed Elli lo sanno. Ciò spiegherebbe la grande distanza emotiva tra i due e il padre. E dare a Dylan la possibilità di confutare le argomentazioni di sua madre. D'altronde L&P ha sempre scritto che Liam non tradisce la moglie. E che questa sarebbe una bomba per Sophia. Quindi la probabilità di una svolta del genere è zero.

La via di mezzo: la conversazione ha luogo e Sophia chiede a suo figlio se non la vede come madre e figlio ma come moglie e marito, perché non ha problemi a portare via la moglie a un altro uomo che, nonostante il gioco di ruolo, è suo padre. Perché mostra così poco rispetto e/o amore?
Qui Dylan potrebbe sostenere che suo padre da anni non si interessa ai suoi sogni, ai suoi hobby e ai suoi successi e lo prende sempre in giro. E poi potrebbe chiedere a sua madre se non si accorge che secondo lui suo padre fa la stessa cosa con Sophia. E Sophia improvvisamente si renderà conto che Dylan sta sottolineando un punto importante in questo caso. E questo apre la strada ad ulteriori interazioni sessuali dopo la partita di calcio.
[/CITAZIONE]
Osservando gli ultimi due rendering (Sophya a letto con Liam che dorme e anche in base alla didascalia) mi è sembrato che, il giorno dopo, dovesse parlare con Liam, e non con Dylan. Maybe I misunderstood?

 

[hzjujk]

Osservando gli ultimi due rendering (Sophya a letto con Liam che dorme e anche in base alla didascalia) mi è sembrato che, il giorno dopo, dovesse parlare con Liam, e non con Dylan. Forse ho capito maschio?

Why would Sophia talk to Liam and what should she tell him about last night?