VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[tofhdns]

Two things should, by now, have happened concerning Dylan, whether or not you think he's the hero you want to be, or that he's been allowed to ruin what was a great game. First there should be a "male protagonist" tag, which should have happened years ago. Secondly, he should'nt be included in the popularity polls, as his status is theoretically the same as Sophia's.

I have ideas on why these things havn't happened but it's just guesswork & "It's his game & he can do what he likes," so I won't bother speculating.

I think you can guess just by looking at the “spanking” tag.

This developer is lazy and irresponsible.

Before playing a game, people look at the game's introduction and tags.
And by looking at the introduction and tags, one guesses the content of the game and gets excited or disappointed.

The only "spanking" in this game is when Sophia and Patricia are jogging and Patricia touches Sophia's butt.
It's different from what ordinary people expect.

exhibitionism: Were there any scenes that could be described as exhibitionism?
groping: I know there was a lot of touching, but it wasn't like in regular porn.
incest : I know some people say that kissing is also incest.
I do not recognize that anything other than penetrative sex is incest.
(This may be a cultural difference, but to me, it's like when someone threatens another person with a gun, I can say "there was a threat or intent to kill," but I can't say "he committed murder.")
voyeurism: Was there a case of voyeurism?
If a child spies on his mother or his mother's friend in a flashback scene, can it be called voyeurism?

Someone might want to argue that.

But whether it meets the standards of regular porn or people who expect something from porn is another matter.

I think this developer is using this for business reasons.

 

[DarthSpitz717]

That's right, at the end of the Sophia/Dylan scene we see a Sophia who is consumed by guilt, shame and regret and it seems that in some images she can no longer think clearly.
Now the next day we not only have a new Dylan event but before that (if nothing changes!!!!!) an Elli event and the two part-time jobs. L&P has always tried to tell the routes in such a way that you get the impression that there are no connections between them, but the chronological order of the individual events still remains a big problem here.
Sophia can't, for example, make the old men cum and have a serious conversation with her son about morals and decency at the subsequent event with Dylan.
Even with this event-based narrative, which Talcum Powder has already complained about again in his post, this will create a break, a stumbling block, that many people cannot ignore, people for whom the story is just as important as those in it (still does not) contain explicit sex scenes (penetration scenes).

So I asked L&P exactly that! As is often the case, his answer was open to wide interpretation. "Actually, the guilty conscience is usually even greater the next morning than the evening before (grin)..."

This answer doesn't reveal anything about the rest of the story, but it shows, at least to me, that L&P is aware of the "problem" at this point and that he didn't let the Dylan/Sophia event end like this without having an "exit strategy" in mind .

As for your suggestion of solving this problem with a conversation between Sophia and Dylan, I don't think that will be effective. On the one hand, this conversation can only end in such a way that Sophia swears to Dylan that what happened last evening must never happen again. And it won't lessen their guilt and regret.

So my solution would be to have a quick chat with Liam in the morning. This time Sophia wakes up with Liam. If nothing happened, Liam wishes Sophia a nice day and goes to work. But if Sophia was sitting in front of the TV the night before, Liam will mention that he woke up briefly during the night but didn't find Sophia in bed yet. Sophia can now either tell him, depending on Dylan's decision the night before, that she watched TV or that she went out to dinner with Dylan. Dylan saw her sitting in front of the TV and decided not to go to the party but to cheer up his mother.
If you let Liam react the way he did in the bathroom the day before, namely by mocking his son for preferring to go out with his mother than meet a girl his own age at a party, Sophia would react quite angrily and this would be one To counterbalance their shame/guilt/remorse.

The effort for this short event would be limited, just a few pictures and a little text.
But while it's just a speculation how this could be solved, there are certainly better ones. And since I've been wrong so often in my previous speculations, I wouldn't take myself too seriously.

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That's right, at the end of the Sophia/Dylan scene we see a Sophia who is consumed by guilt, shame and regret and it seems that in some images she can no longer think clearly.
Now the next day we not only have a new Dylan event but before that (if nothing changes!!!!!) an Elli event and the two part-time jobs. L&P has always tried to tell the routes in such a way that you get the impression that there are no connections between them, but the chronological order of the individual events still remains a big problem here.
Sophia can't, for example, make the old men cum and have a serious conversation with her son about morals and decency at the subsequent event with Dylan.
Even with this event-based narrative, which Talcum Powder has already complained about again in his post, this will create a break, a stumbling block, that many people cannot ignore, people for whom the story is just as important as those in it (still does not) contain explicit sex scenes (penetration scenes). It's a writing style that is hard to master where the chronological order is shuffled with the events. Often you see an "outcome" at the very beginning and then the story goes back in time. The difficulty of pulling that off is the connecting threads that make sense to the audience. Still there within the story you have to stack the important events in the correct order-- But there is a possibility where the audience is left hanging. Just off the top of my head there are to this date 3 critical events that has occurred that shape both Sophia's character and the routes. It seems weak to bring up 'Girls Night out' where Patrica, Ellie, and Sophia gone out dancing... Sam and Sophia 'The Talk' where Sophia becomes Sam's "secret girlfriend"... and 'Date the last release of Dylan and Sophia.:
First, 'Girls Night Out' you have Sophia starting to make out with Tyler. At first it seems pretty low hanging fruit as far as character development one would think. But look at the particulars. Sophia wasn't drunk, no blaming the alcohol there... Sophia let a complete stranger get further with her then anyone else has in touching her. That is also was in front of her daughter too--begs the question of what if Patrica didn't interrupt just how far things would have gotten with Tyler.

Second, 'The Talk' again no alcohol and you have Sophia taking a full and active part in making out with Sam, taking off her top, allowing Sam to remove her panties...etc.... What would the likelihood of other events occurring had Sophia and Sam been alone in the house and had Sam started to either go down on Sophia or fingered her?

Third, 'Date Night' where it brought to Sophia the very reality of actually crossing a redline with Dylan. I can see why Dylan wasn't able to get further then he did as the story played out. But imagine instead of playing Sophia's breast he had focused on kissing and nibbling Sophia's neck while grinding his groin against Sophia's?

So I asked L&P exactly that! As is often the case, his answer was open to wide interpretation. "Actually, the guilty conscience is usually even greater the next morning than the evening before (grin)..." Well if you talk directly with L&P, let them know if ever they are in my part of the woods, the Beer and Pizza is on me...LOL! Seriously though, there are times I'd like to reach out and offer some advice and general ideas after asking first if that would be acceptable... It's totally like me to want to interject when watching others play Chess to point out mistakes...fortunately, impulse control is a stronger suit of mine.

This answer doesn't reveal anything about the rest of the story, but it shows, at least to me, that L&P is aware of the "problem" at this point and that he didn't let the Dylan/Sophia event end like this without having an "exit strategy" in mind. I am hopeful that is the case. My only regret is that I know that its extra work to fill in the hole.

As for your suggestion of solving this problem with a conversation between Sophia and Dylan, I don't think that will be effective. On the one hand, this conversation can only end in such a way that Sophia swears to Dylan that what happened last evening must never happen again. And it won't lessen their guilt and regret. ....and why I suggested Dylan make a bold move to thwart the talk. I was thinking Dylan respond more like a lover then a cowed son. But it maybe a good plot device to promise that it will never happen again only later on to have a change of mind and Sophia being the aggressor (later on in the story).

So my solution would be to have a quick chat with Liam in the morning. This time Sophia wakes up with Liam. If nothing happened, Liam wishes Sophia a nice day and goes to work. But if Sophia was sitting in front of the TV the night before, Liam will mention that he woke up briefly during the night but didn't find Sophia in bed yet. Sophia can now either tell him, depending on Dylan's decision the night before, that she watched TV or that she went out to dinner with Dylan. Dylan saw her sitting in front of the TV and decided not to go to the party but to cheer up his mother.
If you let Liam react the way he did in the bathroom the day before, namely by mocking his son for preferring to go out with his mother than meet a girl his own age at a party, Sophia would react quite angrily and this would be one To counterbalance their shame/guilt/remorse. That's a good twist and makes whatever happens later on being Liam's fault he had it coming...lol! However, that approach has its own pitfalls. That being that Sophia needs an excuse and maybe a reason for doing what she does. But then there after Sophia will always need an excuse to justify x, y, and z (mostly). So, does the story need a MC that has some justification for her actions (if Sophia is to hookup with anyone beyond Sam & Dylan, how is the Developer doing to provide the justifications for the Myer's boys or Old men or Patricia or...etc...), or does the story need a MC that comes to the conclusion she is human and has needs that are not being met. The developer has a great job in presenting Sophia as socially acceptable adult conforming to societal norms despite her own desires.

The effort for this short event would be limited, just a few pictures and a little text.
But while it's just a speculation how this could be solved, there are certainly better ones. And since I've been wrong so often in my previous speculations, I wouldn't take myself too seriously. If you do communicate with L&P and they are keeping their cards close to the chest, and you have no solid reads actually that is in a good position to be...because there are surprises left. Never could figure out why many kids tried to learn what was in their Christmas presents before Christmas... a bit anticlimactic

 

[DanteDamonic]

Ffs why do so many of yall want sophia fucked by Dylan Sam or another male characters hell I'd rather see ellie Julia Patricia or another female character fuck her too many dumb scenes with Dylan or Sam

 

[tntsetter]

I hope he finishes this game before we become Cyberpunk

 

[tofhdns]

Ffs why do so many of yall want sophia fucked by Dylan Sam or another male characters hell I'd rather see ellie Julia Patricia or another female character fuck her too many dumb scenes with Dylan or Sam

Because Dylan is neither wife nor mother?

In this game, Sophia is the main character.
Dylan also became an MC and Ellie became an MC, but Sofia was the true root in the first place.

 

[VladTepesph]

Why is this fag Sam messing around with Sophia when he has his own Mom. I think he should start to look at her Mom differently

 

[rAmSiMaL]

Why is this fag Sam messing around with Sophia when he has his own Mom. I think he should start to look at her Mom differently

Not all teenage boys are into incest! I never had an erotic attraction about my mother even though she was a beautiful lady.

The only "spanking" in this game is when Sophia and Patricia are jogging and Patricia touches Sophia's butt.

There are 4 spanking sequences…
- Patricia to Sophia while they are working out in the park
- Patricia to Sophia during yoga
- Nathalie to Sophia while massaging her
- Liam to Sophia during the surprise visit to his office (good wife route )

 

[Alley_Cat]

Ffs why do so many of yall want sophia fucked by Dylan Sam or another male characters hell I'd rather see ellie Julia Patricia or another female character fuck her too many dumb scenes with Dylan or Sam

Don't worry, it's entirely probable that the lesbian sex scenes will happen before the straight ones. And the first straight sex scene with Sophia might not happen until PD20, possibly 24-25. And at the current rate of production, that's about 20 years away. Game might be abandoned by then.

It's also worth noting that the focus on Dylan and Sam will have recency bias. It's been around 3 years since the last event on the Ellie route, and even longer for Patricia. That will all change after the upcoming update. Some of the most vocal Ellie fans are only just recently returning to the thread. The best information we have is that Dylan wont have any events on PD15 or 16, and Sam will only have a small event.

 

[tofhdns]

There are 4 spanking sequences…
- Patricia to Sophia while they are working out in the park
- Patricia to Sophia during yoga
- Nathalie to Sophia while massaging her
- Liam to Sophia during the surprise visit to his office (good wife route )

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The only "spanking" in this game is when Sophia and Patricia are jogging and Patricia touches Sophia's butt.
It's different from what ordinary people expect.
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Someone might want to argue that.

But whether it meets the standards of regular porn or people who expect something from porn is another matter.

The examples I brought aren't even porn.

 

[tofhdns]

For example, these days, if I say, “I want to see it tied with a rope,” there are people who bring me a tree tied with a rope and say, “This is what you said.”

I'm really tired.

I don't know how far people are really willing to go.
Is this really the only level of conversation there is?

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[Lolumad1337]

I think you can guess just by looking at the “spanking” tag.

This developer is lazy and irresponsible.

Before playing a game, people look at the game's introduction and tags.
And by looking at the introduction and tags, one guesses the content of the game and gets excited or disappointed.

The only "spanking" in this game is when Sophia and Patricia are jogging and Patricia touches Sophia's butt.
It's different from what ordinary people expect.

exhibitionism: Were there any scenes that could be described as exhibitionism?
groping: I know there was a lot of touching, but it wasn't like in regular porn.
incest : I know some people say that kissing is also incest.
I do not recognize that anything other than penetrative sex is incest.
(This may be a cultural difference, but to me, it's like when someone threatens another person with a gun, I can say "there was a threat or intent to kill," but I can't say "he committed murder.")
voyeurism: Was there a case of voyeurism?
If a child spies on his mother or his mother's friend in a flashback scene, can it be called voyeurism?

Someone might want to argue that.

But whether it meets the standards of regular porn or people who expect something from porn is another matter.

I think this developer is using this for business reasons.

The other tags you mentioned, yeah I can completely see how it is misleading or just a lie. But the incest tag…what’s happening and has happened between Sophia and Dylan is 100% incest no matter what cultural background or differences you are from LOL. In no culture is it okay for a son to be groping their mom’s tits, making out or getting a handy and it is not considered incest. If only penetrative sex is considered incest in your culture then LOL

 

[Alley_Cat]

The other tags you mentioned, yeah I can completely see how it is misleading or just a lie. But the incest tag…what’s happening and has happened between Sophia and Dylan is 100% incest no matter what cultural background or differences you are from LOL. In no culture is it okay for a son to be groping their mom’s tits, making out or getting a handy and it is not considered incest. If only penetrative sex is considered incest in your culture then LOL

One of my cunning linguist friends once told me that from a linguistics perspective, synonyms don't actually exist. That every word has a unique meaning for a reason.

In the past I've used the word consanguinity for this very reason - since there's a completely different context between the incest between Sophia and Dylan, which if resulting in pregnancy will likely result in genetic defects and mental retardation, and the incest between Sophia and Ellie or Sophia and Patricia, which wont even result in pregnancy.

All three are incest, but only one is consanguination.

 

[hzjujk]

One of my cunning linguist friends once told me that from a linguistics perspective, synonyms don't actually exist. That every word has a unique meaning for a reason.

In the past I've used the word consanguinity for this very reason - since there's a completely different context between the incest between Sophia and Dylan, which if resulting in pregnancy will likely result in genetic defects and mental retardation, and the incest between Sophia and Ellie or Sophia and Patricia, which wont even result in pregnancy.

All three are incest, but only one is consanguination.

For me, it's not even necessarily the biological component of sexual relationships among family members that is the main problem.
Do you know the saying, "You can't escape your family!
The probability that an amorous relationship between family members will fail is great.
When a normal love relationship ends, after some time you start all over again. You reorient yourself and leave the past behind. With family members it does not work so! There the distortions are larger and one cannot simply begin again.
That's why it doesn't matter to me whether it's a Sophia/Dylan connection or a Sophia/Elli connection. Both are incest and both is an equally big breach of taboo.

 

[Claugod]

Why so much love for Dylan? I don't get it honestly.

 

[Deleted member 5148089]

Why so much love for Dylan? I don't get it honestly.

Because it's an incest game ...duh.

 

[Illumi123]

Is there a gameplay somewhere?

 

[Alley_Cat]

Why so much love for Dylan? I don't get it honestly.

I don't get it either. Fortunately the question is irrelevant and none of my business, so I don't let it bother me, I just play the game the way I enjoy.

Because it's an incest game ...duh.

I can explain why I like Ellie and Patricia without talking about incest. Even if they were friend and best friend like in DoL. I do occasionally wonder if Dylan would be anywhere near as popular if he wasn't the MC's son.

Is there a gameplay somewhere?

Do you mean a walkthrough? There are a few, depending on what route you're playing. Mine for the lesbian route, and Mamonetti's for the maximum filthy route haven't been updated for Part 2 though.

 

[Ranxerox]

Is there a gameplay somewhere?

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-190-lust-passion.5944/post-11686503

 

[0197m]

Good stuff will keep an eye on this one .

 

[tofhdns]

The other tags you mentioned, yeah I can completely see how it is misleading or just a lie. But the incest tag…what’s happening and has happened between Sophia and Dylan is 100% incest no matter what cultural background or differences you are from LOL. In no culture is it okay for a son to be groping their mom’s tits, making out or getting a handy and it is not considered incest. If only penetrative sex is considered incest in your culture then LOL

I am weak in English.
So I wish someone could interpret this.

Many incest laws do not expressly proscribe sexual conduct other than vaginal intercourse—such as oral sex—or any sexual activity among relatives of the same sex (though if either party is a minor, it may be punishable otherwise).

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me : Why does incest law distinguish between vaginal intercourse and other things?

If they tried to engage in sexual relations, but no intercourse actually happened, a prosecutor might bring an attempted incest charge.

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me : What is the scope of “attempted incest”?

The court acquitted R of attempted incest and held that sexual interference and sexual assault are not included offenses of incest.

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me : Why aren't "sexual interference" and "sexual assault" included in incest?

Note that only sexual intercourse is criminalized by California’s law on incest. Other forms of sexual activity are not.

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