VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[gilgamesh9]

First of all, I apologize for my bad english.
I'm writing this because of the comments about the shota scenes. I like to play shota games. This is not my choice, this is my orientation. I don't like lolicon, gay or furry games. Reading about the games I love has become painful for me. my favorite theme (shota) in the form of mass hysteria is shown as a disgusting, weird, shocking reason.
A tag used on the shota f95. however, there is a similar attack in almost every game against the shota theme on this site. I don't want the things I love to be called disgusting.
Moderation should find a solution to this insulting language. no one has to like the shota theme. But if you don't like it, you should be careful what you write.
All of these posts are written in capital letters, I am waiting for a response from the moderation.

As i have stated before (though i cant speak for others) i do not kink shame even though my 3 favorite kinks get hated more then yours. But for one thing it is against patreon rules where his game is promoted for one thing and in the real world it will never be socially acceptable. But i feel for you and understand but on a pirate sire with free speech not much can be done and Honestly im waiting for them myself because this game is missing 2 special tags the mods refuse to put because they are showing favoritism on the site for certain devs and that is not acceptable either.

 

[nexer]

You're fooling yourself, the insinuation is clear as day that the apostles are young teenagers. The day L&P comes out and tells us that they're 17 in the game, I'll eat my hat. But they aren't, and he knows it, and he knows he can't let Patreon ever see them for that very reason. Don't fall for the plausible deniability, those are kids and they are designed as such- even if he tries to keep their actual ages murky.

I'm on my phone and I need a pc.
High school in the US lasts 4 years. Ava has been homeschooling her sons for "several years". That's more than two years. If she started homeschooling in their first year of high school we're talking 17 years old

 

[as7hk]

Hi guys
Some one please help me
What should i do?

 

[gilgamesh9]

Ava's sons are 16-17 years old.
They look younger like Dylan or Ellie/Julia did. Look at day 1.
There's a big difference between Ellie day 1 and Ellie day 19

lol keep telling yourself that denial is a powerful thing nowadays

 

[Notretsam]

We all know what's going on here. It is clearly shota and it's clearly a hand job. A blueballed handjob is still a handjob. If I get interrupted yanking my wanky it's still jerking off even if I didn't blow my load. I had an entire argument with the dev about these characters when I was a patreon (it's these characters that caused me to pull my support). It's disturbing, frankly, and really, I never understood why they were added? We are 3 years into the development of this game and the dev is STILL introducing new potential "partners" and they look like creepy man children. Yes, I know the scene can be avoided, just like the scene with Dylan... totally get it, but let's not gloss over the fact it's shota, modified to not be shota.

Your post just proves my point and just because you say it's shota, doesn't make it shota. Plenty of people can look younger than their age, I have never looked my age.

they look the same age Dylan did in the early stages of the game, that is an undeniable fact, so if they're underage, then so is Dylan, Emma, Zach, Sam, Aiden and everyone else in Sophia's class.

You can't have it both ways, you can't say 1 is shota and the other isn't, either they're both shota or there is no shota in AWAM, and there is no shota in AWAM. if you been supporting it since the early days of the game, then you supported the game while Dylan looked as young as the 3 tutoring guys do.

Remember some places in this world (Italy, Japan) allow 14+ to have sex, some places like the UK (where I am is 16+) and you can still be in school at 16. I think in the US some states are 18+ but don't think all states are 18+, not sure about that but sure people there can still be in school at 18.

This has been talked about MANY times in this thread, there is NO SHOTA in AWAM. I stand by that as the facts I have posted are true and undeniable. They look similar age to Dylan in the early part of the game and what I said about being in school at 16 or 18 is true as well.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I'm on my phone and I need a pc.
High school in the US lasts 4 years. Ava has been homeschooling her sons for "several years". That's more than two years. If she started homeschooling in their first year of high school we're talking 17 years old

That's the plausible deniability, stop falling for it. No highschooler, except MAYBE a freshman, needs such rudimentary sex ed. The character models, and their educational attainment, make it clear who the target audience is. Again, if everything was on the up and up, this entire storyline would be available on Patreon and the ages would be clearly stated. It isn't, and they aren't. Believe your eyes, you know that these are kids.

L&P could clear this all up quickly and easily. Silence on this topic is deafening.

 

[Trash_sombra11]

 

[nexer]

Your post just proves my point and just because you say it's shota, doesn't make it shota. Plenty of people can look younger than their age, I have never looked my age.

they look the same age Dylan did in the early stages of the game, that is an undeniable fact, so if they're underage, then so is Dylan, Emma, Zach, Sam, Aiden and everyone else in Sophia's class.

You can't have it both ways, you can't say 1 is shota and the other isn't, either they're both shota or there is no shota in AWAM, and there is no shota in AWAM. if you been supporting it since the early days of the game, then you supported the game while Dylan looked as young as the 3 tutoring guys do.

Remember some places in this world (Italy, Japan) allow 14+ to have sex, some places like the UK (where I am is 16+) and you can still be in school at 16. I think in the US some states are 18+ but don't think all states are 18+, not sure about that but sure people there can still be in school at 18.

This has been talked about MANY times in this thread, there is NO SHOTA in AWAM. I stand by that as the facts I have posted are true and undeniable. They look similar age to Dylan in the early part of the game and what I said about being in school at 16 or 18 is true as well.

1000 points man. L&P will change a bit their bodies, happen with Ellie, Julia, Dylan and....

 

[kam_1]

Hi guys
Some one please help me
What should i do?

this is my question as well!

 

[nexer]

That's the plausible deniability, stop falling for it. No highschooler, except MAYBE a freshman, needs such rudimentary sex ed. The character models, and their educational attainment, make it clear who the target audience is. Again, if everything was on the up and up, this entire storyline would be available on Patreon and the ages would be clearly stated. It isn't, and they aren't. Believe your eyes, you know that these are kids.

L&P could clear this all up quickly and easily. Silence on this topic is deafening.

Sorry for bothering you, sweetie. Have a nice day

 

[Lust&Pateron]

This has been talked about MANY times in this thread, there is NO SHOTA in AWAM. I stand by that as the facts I have posted are true and undeniable. They look similar age to Dylan in the early part of the game and what I said about being in school at 16 or 18 is true as well.

The Dylan argument is flawed and tbh wrong. First D + S have not had their dick wanked off. Second their avatar / model have changed and grown and there has been a time gap since through the days, third the kids look like 12 year olds, it was done on purpose. Fourth any storyline words is fucking meaningless because it would Lusty Patrons way of getting around Loli porn.

Regardless, no 16 (unless they are special needs) needs help understanding what puberty and masturbating is. It clearly designed for them to be around the age of 12 to 14. If you think other wise, then i am concerned.

 

[Cleptoman]

does anyone have a save with the self-defense class?

 

[sharpys]

If it looks like a minor, if it talks like a minor, if it quacks like a minor, then it's a minor with the applicable tags attached. No amount of handwaving or age-splaining will change that as is AWAM is hosted on Patreon, which in turn is hosted in the US and accountable to US laws; Not Indian, not Pakistani, not Philippian, not Thai, but US laws.

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[paula789]

i did shift o but nothing happened

You have to enable console by using Unren. It's available here, download the tool and use it.

 

[willfer]

well, that was not worth the wait

 

[as7hk]

Anyone know what should i do???

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

you mention in this updates scene, a shota scene and given handjobs. what handjobs? she touched them and stroked a few times, that is not a handjob. unless like the jogging scene, you miss that because filthy stat isn't working right, like dylans stat.

also, it's not shota and people need to stop applying that it is, the boys are the same age as Dylan. this has been established plenty of times in this thread.

In which case why is L&P seemingly deliberately drawing them as if they are far younger?

I personally don't remember an in game reference to their ages but then I have not been focussing on that route.
If what you said is correct then it might make it less creepy if that was more apparent in game.

I personally would feel more comfortable if there was a slew of 18th birthdays in the coming updates so that any sexual acts would be less questioned.

 

[Old Dog]

does anyone have a save with the self-defense class?

You want to go that far back in the game?

 

[paula789]

I was planning to support the dev on Patreon. But after seeing this update I've lost interest. I don't know why he took more than five months for this content. That's not worth the wait.

 

[ashitanojoe]

I am with GingerSweetGirl on this one and I found it creepy so I deleted my saves concerning the 2nd job

I think we should pronounce against that event and route. L&P spended a lot of time creating the 2nd job event just to see that creepy thing. The 2nd job is highly controversial, do you know if the patrons have expressed discontent about it?