VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Notretsam]

Good advice but sadly people on here will carry on constantly posting and complaining about AwAm.
After reading through L&P patron page it is clear that he will not be cutting the characters down or dropping the two side jobs,he has already shortened the Bennet saga and probably some others that we don't know about.
I don't know how he will try and resolve this and he is discussing this with them,and to be fair they are really the only ones that count,as 99% of the people on here are not patrons.
As people have said before he could either burn himself out or the game gets abandoned,two choices that I don't want to happen.

I hope he doesn't get burnt out as well and finishes it, but to be honest with the constant complaining I see in this thread, I wouldn't blame him for thinking it not worth the hassle and abandoning the game.

Sure I said before in this thread, I think the side stories are part of the main stories, there side things that help Sophia become corrupted and then eventually does go further with Dylan, Sam, Ellie and Zack.

I think he should tell the story he wants to tell but I'm not a Patreon and he should only listen to them, still should tell his story though.

anyway, I shall return to my not posting, as it never seems to go anywhere good

 

[andrew david irving]

Hahaha, I am chilled. In fact am busy enjoying creating some artwork and don't have time atm to look at a VN. Seemingly unlike you - who get into difficulties by complaining - it is rare for me to complain.

 

[Notretsam]

Hahaha, I am chilled. In fact am busy enjoying creating some artwork and don't have time atm to look at a VN. Seemingly unlike you - who get into difficulties by complaining - it is rare for me to complain.

interesting, you had time to reply to me twice now, so guess its not so rare after all

 

[andrew david irving]

Hi Notretsam, its not hard to multitask, you should become an easy rider ... hahaha

 

[ancienregimele]

I am chill, think it you and every one who constantly complains in this thread that need to chill and find a VN that you do like.

I believe that the vast majority of people who visit this thread do so because they enjoy this game, whether they criticise it or not.
Much of this critique & commentary has been constructive. Yes, there is debate & it can be heated, because we all have different points of view, as with anything in life, e.g. I'm probably in a minority here in wishing Bennet's route hadn't been cut. As far as most of us free-riders are concerned there's a general acceptance that we can do little to influence the Dev, or his game.
None of this should limit the open discussion of what is good & bad about AWAM. What is good is what keeps bringing people back here, even though, by now, logic suggests that finding another favourite game, or even a new hobby, might be a good idea.
What is bad is the length of time between updates when solutions to this exist & also the number of characters who seem to promise some activity, only to lapse into the background. They just add to the complexity, which many believe is one cause of the delays.
Most of us here want this game to succeed. It has the quality renders, the interesting characters & storylines. It has a choice of fetishes. Above all it has Sophia & whichever other member(s) of the cast may come to mind. I've had a few favourite games in the past which were abandoned. This must not happen to AWAM, or at least we hope it won't but to quote The Stranglers, (New Wave band of the 70's/80's for you kids out there), "something better change."

 

[Julius Ash]

Hi JuliusAsh, your comment (modified) '... this can also be understood by the law relating development progress to the inverse proportion of the increase in income' is true for many devs sadly because they want to capitalise on their success quite reasonably, but hey we are all human I guess.

Hi Andrew David Irving, sure we are human and greed is one of our weaknesses.... but how the God of Erotic VNs can be so weak? Perfectionism is not only in arts results, perfectionism is a way of life... a perfectionist cannot be greed..

 

[hmc15]

The game will be a LOT smoother and pick up a LOT of traction if he hires a couple of quality staff. I know he doesn't want to sacrifice some of this earnings, but he's pulling 6 figures with this project...he can surely afford to pay for 1-2 quality staffers who just do renders

 

[Xydal]

I hope he doesn't get burnt out as well and finishes it, but to be honest with the constant complaining I see in this thread, I wouldn't blame him for thinking it not worth the hassle and abandoning the game.

Sure I said before in this thread, I think the side stories are part of the main stories, there side things that help Sophia become corrupted and then eventually does go further with Dylan, Sam, Ellie and Zack.

I think he should tell the story he wants to tell but I'm not a Patreon and he should only listen to them, still should tell his story though.

anyway, I shall return to my not posting, as it never seems to go anywhere good

"but to be honest with the constant complaining I see in this thread, I wouldn't blame him for thinking it not worth the hassle and abandoning the game." Ohhh, now You are blackmailing audience like: "You nonbelievers stop express your heresy aloud here."

"I think he should tell the story he wants to tell" - that's the point I completely agree.

 

[hmc15]

I hope he doesn't get burnt out as well and finishes it, but to be honest with the constant complaining I see in this thread, I wouldn't blame him for thinking it not worth the hassle and abandoning the game.

Sure I said before in this thread, I think the side stories are part of the main stories, there side things that help Sophia become corrupted and then eventually does go further with Dylan, Sam, Ellie and Zack.

I think he should tell the story he wants to tell but I'm not a Patreon and he should only listen to them, still should tell his story though.

anyway, I shall return to my not posting, as it never seems to go anywhere good

He's earning far too much $$ to even consider that. How would I know his revenue matters? Because he won't hire help.

And I'm not attacking the developer. This is the best game, bar none. As a fan I just wish it was a bit more regular XD

 

[Tarkash]

Are we going to get a wife and mother revamped version when Sophia getting close to commiting adultery?

wait... what? Sophia got changed over the updates?

 

[Xydal]

And one more note: I've read few last L&P's comments in this thread (Feb, Mar 2020). All of them are revolving around game's rating/reviews made by someone else and why F95 staff allows such reviews.

As I said before, business model for this game is based on newcomers, who aren't familiar with game's development history.
Newcomers instantly get huge, well done game with lot of teasing, so they tend to be more generous.
Game's rating(based on players's reviews) is crucial for its attractiveness to newcomers, that is why it's matter utmost importance.

 

[Julius Ash]

wait... what? Sophia got changed over the updates?

Of course Sophia changed during time...passed almost 3 years and you must consider also how often she changes her bra in each update... with all that workout also my boobs may bump up....

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

L&P should hire this guy Phanex and everybody win.

Look at his work (with your permission):

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Do you work for others?

The detail are amazing but it might cost him half of his income to recruit him, with this level of rendering he can make game as good as high life if he have interesting story to tell

 

[Leldorin]

I find weird the complaints is responding to and the one he ignores. I can understand wanting to do everything yourself cause you don’t want to depend on someone in case something bad happens and you have to redo their work. He won’t reduce the number of characters no matter what ( and I’m glad for that as like different situations he puts Sophia through). But in that case he has to reduce the number of renders. He has to find a balance between number of renders, number of lines and time to complete an update. If he doesn’t, it will take at least 10 years to finish this game. That the point that almost everyone agrees here. That it will take too long to complete. And he never address that point.

 

[Julius Ash]

I find weird the complaints is responding to and the one he ignores. I can understand wanting to do everything yourself cause you don’t want to depend on someone in case something bad happens and you have to redo their work. He won’t reduce the number of characters no matter what ( and I’m glad for that as like different situations he puts Sophia through). But in that case he has to reduce the number of renders. He has to find a balance between number of renders, number of lines and time to complete an update. If he doesn’t, it will take at least 10 years to finish this game. That the point that almost everyone agrees here. That it will take too long to complete. And he never address that point.

The risk is that Dev loose interest in the developement of the project..as he stated in the beginning of his adventure the project was going to take about 30 months to be completed..30 months are passed and the project is far from half done. It seems that all we are aware of this except the developer. He must explain to the people that are supporting economically the project how he will manage for 10 years more the developing. Nobody can stay focused on a small project as AWAM for all that time without start to loose attention. When this time will arrive those that will be more impacted are the patreons...just the ones that are now helping him to become reach. Dear L&ATMP the people that you are tricking are the ones that fill your bank account every month ...do not forget it if you wanna be considered as a professional

 

[Old Dog]

L&P should hire this guy Phanex and everybody win.

Look at his work (with your permission):

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He could ask about helping out but where is he/she based in the world?Do they even speak the same language?
I know that some devs like the people that they hire to at least live in the same country.You also have the transfare of assets to that person and how many gigs could that end up being?
If he is still at college couldn't he ask for some help from the IT course,that could be held there.,students looking for money and on experience,could be a cheap way to hire people.
we know that this is his first project and he wanted to do it all himself but surely he must realise by now that this is not possible,

 

[humanno21]

It is not his fault, the ones that give him money month after month without getting anything in return are guilty....

 

[Scarlet56]

He could ask about helping out but where is he/she based in the world?Do they even speak the same language?
I know that some devs like the people that they hire to at least live in the same country.You also have the transfare of assets to that person and how many gigs could that end up being?
If he is still at college couldn't he ask for some help from the IT course,that could be held there.,students looking for money and on experience,could be a cheap way to hire people.
we know that this is his first project and he wanted to do it all himself but surely he must realise by now that this is not possible,

This is his first project and it surely risks being the only one of his life at this rate ....

But anyway .... L&P confines himself to wanting to continue like this and above all gets carried away for nonsense.
We do not criticize his game, nor his quality, why L&P does not understand that it may as well have the same result, with much less rendering.
In addition to that, I am sure that his workload would be easier to manage and therefore less stress.

 

[armion82]

Good advice but sadly people on here will carry on constantly posting and complaining about AwAm.
After reading through L&P patron page it is clear that he will not be cutting the characters down or dropping the two side jobs,he has already shortened the Bennet saga and probably some others that we don't know about.
I don't know how he will try and resolve this and he is discussing this with his patrons ,and to be fair they are really the only ones that count,as 99% of the people on here are not patrons.
As people have said before he could either burn himself out or the game gets abandoned,two choices that I don't want to happen.

I doubt Bennett have that much content even before that.So we don't lose or gain much from shortening his events.
It's not like he was suppose to have a romance arc with Sophia.
And from the start of this year I decide to approach every game with the presumption that will be abandoned.If that not happen-good for me.But of course a game that will take 10+ years is in worst positon.

 

[bauman]

A) Development stagnates because he's slow as shit and if that's the case he should hire some help, restructure his development process or scrap some of his ideas to help speed things up.

B) Development stagnates because he spends limited time on the title and if that's the case he should hire some help, restructure his development process or scrap some of his ideas to help speed things up.

C) Development stagnates because he's milking the title and is content with people giving him money for subpar work effort.

Fact of the matter is that L&P is an interesting case because if he speeds things up he'll at the very least triple his patreon earning as he's sitting on a gold mine. Now many people are put off by the disgusting update speed because at the current pace there's no way this game will live to see a satisfying conclusion. There's absolutely no reason for him to take so long with a visual novel that has 720p renders, no animations, no sandbox, no ludicrous amounts of branching paths, etc. The fact he's continuing to introduce new characters this late in development makes me think he has no desire to correct the course and is content with the current situation.