VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Old Dog]

Right, that man isn't. Like I say, I can't imagine it.
Ellie is bisexual. She says so herself, she admits it but Ellie doesn't know that her mother is. So, she showers with a straight
woman and doesn't tell Sophia that she likes women, sexually. IMO it's peeping. She's a peeping Tom.
She doesn't try to calm down, relax, love her mother like a daughter but seeks to fulfill her sexual fantasies. At best, both: a daughter's love and sex.



True, but, tell me: "a straight man enjoys seeing a bunch of men in sexual situations"?

Maybe because Sophia has not yet accepted that she could be bi-sexual.
How can you say that Sophia doesn't know that Ellie likes women sexually when she is having a relationship with Julia,or where you talking about Sophia?
After what Julia/Sophia/Ellie/Patricia have done together I would think that Ellie could have a good idea about her mothers sexuality,even if Sophia has not come out and said it herself.

 

[Alley_Cat]

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True, but, tell me: "a straight man enjoys seeing a bunch of men in sexual situations"?

A straight man enjoying seeing men in sexual situations makes little sense. Probably at least a little bisexual, but that's his business. A gay or bisexual man enjoying seeing men in sexual situations makes perfect sense.

Not that sexuality is completely binary anyway, but last I heard was considered a spectrum. And since we're not kink shaming on this forum, what difference does it make anyway, whether a player or character is straight, gay or bisexual?

 

[nexer]

Maybe because Sophia has not yet accepted that she could be bi-sexual.
How can you say that Sophia doesn't know that Ellie likes women sexually when she is having a relationship with Julia?
After what Julia/Sophia/Ellie/Patricia have done together I would think that Ellie could have a good idea about her mothers sexuality,even if Sophia has not come out and said it herself.

Haha, good.
Soooo, the shower of the two has had from the beginning sex as a determinant. Sophia knews what Ellie was looking for, then. And, with all this she accepted. Sophia knows what a bisexual woman does with another woman.
Ellie commented that her friend Christine used to shower with her mother. But Christine is bisexual? Because if not, can't compare the two situations.
Where do I want to go? If Sophia showers with Ellie to enjoy sexually, next step is to accept it. She breaks a taboo with this, even if Sophia doesn't have vaginal sex next shower.
Let's see if Ellie will make Sophia accept it, that she really enjoys it, sexually. Once these words come out of her mouth, the door is open for hes two children.

Not that sexuality is completely binary anyway, but last I heard was considered a spectrum. And since we're not kink shaming on this forum, what difference does it make anyway, whether a player or character is straight, gay or bisexual?

Sorry, weren't my intentions shaming anybody. It is life itself, a straight man doesn't enjoy of it.

 

[hzjujk]

The problem is we don't know the history of Elli.
After seeing her mom masturbate and kiss a woman, she goes from 0 to 100.
Was the first kiss with Julia before or after the events in the club?
The dildo in your room was a clear indication that, at least in your imagination,
there was no more innocence for a long time. She sees now your chance for sexual adventures
without interfering with homosexual concerns, incest, or your parents' marriage.
She is like a child who wants to let off steam but always under the protection
of at least one parent. She has a very distant relationship with her father.
And that's why we can expect Elli to burn down the whole city. When your mother is there!
No taboos, neither homosexual nor heterosexual.

 

[ashwath]

The lesbian's lovers, definitely, don't think straight
First of all we have to clarify who is lesbian or bisexual. Julia is lesbian and Ellie is bisexual. Sophia is a bisexual as Patricia.
But here is my point of view.
Ellie, as bisexual, in real life, must always shower alone because shower with a woman it's like the shower between a hetero man/woman.
A bisexual woman or two, Sophia and Ellie our case, has/have to tell her shower companion before that she is bisexual otherwise is a perv and is peeping.
Sophia already knows that she is bisexual but doesn't accept plainly. It's a 38 years old woman with with 18 years of marriage behind her.
Ellie knows it too. She knows that she is bisexual an what she is doing is perv behavior, like a gay in males shower. What I'm saying is true
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And to make it even more clear, imagine a straight man masturbating looking at two gays making love. Because I can't and is not different between a straight woman and two lesbians.

wait! how to get this scene or is this a sneek peak

 

[nexer]

wait! how to get this scene or is this a sneek peak

But to have all scene must: shower with Sophia, frenching her, Ellie kiss Julia.

 

[nexer]

The problem is we don't know the history of Elli.
After seeing her mom masturbate and kiss a woman, she goes from 0 to 100.
Was the first kiss with Julia before or after the events in the club?
The dildo in your room was a clear indication that, at least in your imagination,
there was no more innocence for a long time. She sees now your chance for sexual adventures
without interfering with homosexual concerns, incest, or your parents' marriage.
She is like a child who wants to let off steam but always under the protection
of at least one parent. She has a very distant relationship with her father.
And that's why we can expect Elli to burn down the whole city. When your mother is there!
No taboos, neither homosexual nor heterosexual.

Julia first kiss was before club.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Haha, good.
Soooo, the shower of the two has had from the beginning sex as a determinant. Sophia knews what Ellie was looking for, then. And, with all this she accepted. Sophia knows what a bisexual woman does with another woman.
Ellie commented that her friend Christine used to shower with her mother. But Christine is bisexual? Because if not, can't compare the two situations.
Where do I want to go? If Sophia showers with Ellie to enjoy sexually, next step is to accept it. She is breaks a taboo with this, even if Sophia doesn't have vaginal sex next shower.
Let's see if Ellie will make Sophia accept it, that she really enjoys it, sexually. Once these words come out of her mouth, the door is open for his two children.


Sorry, weren't my intentions shaming anybody. It is life itself, a straight man doesn't enjoy of it.

Except that, as some of us have been saying this entire time, showering with Dylan has additional taboos, so the door will still remain closed and locked for Dylan. Pursuing a sexual relationship with Dylan is adultery, but it's not for Ellie. Dylan can never use the excuse Ellie has used so successfully so far of it's "just us women", because of the simple fact that he's not a woman.

The problem is we don't know the history of Elli.
After seeing her mom masturbate and kiss a woman, she goes from 0 to 100.
Was the first kiss with Julia before or after the events in the club?
The dildo in your room was a clear indication that, at least in your imagination,
there was no more innocence for a long time. She sees now your chance for sexual adventures
without interfering with homosexual concerns, incest, or your parents' marriage.
She is like a child who wants to let off steam but always under the protection
of at least one parent. She has a very distant relationship with her father.
And that's why we can expect Elli to burn down the whole city. When your mother is there!
No taboos, neither homosexual nor heterosexual.

The first kiss with Julia was day 15, and the club was day 16. And Ellie isn't at 100 yet. Ellie's barely done more than kissing and groping with Julia. We don't even know if they've seen each other naked yet.

And where are you getting the idea that Ellie (two "e"s) and Liam, have a "very distant relationship"? As far as I'm aware, she wants her parents having sex more regularly. She's just taking advantage at the moment because they're not. It's also why I believe the casino storyline that is required for the Ellie route isn't about splitting Sophia and Liam up, but repairing their relationship, hence also why the storyline is available on the GW route.

wait! how to get this scene or is this a sneek peak

It's on the Lesbian Temptation path. If you're just on the Lesbian path, the walkthrough for that can be found here. If you want maximum Filthy points as well, that walkthrough is here.

 

[lockerxx]

Yeah, Dylan and Marie could be a possible relationship. Hopefully without a cut with Sophia as like with Emma.

dylan could "date"sophie/emma/amber and maybe ellie/Claire or Patricia

 

[Old Dog]

Haha, good.
Soooo, the shower of the two has had from the beginning sex as a determinant. Sophia knews what Ellie was looking for, then. And, with all this she accepted. Sophia knows what a bisexual woman does with another woman.
Ellie commented that her friend Christine used to shower with her mother. But Christine is bisexual? Because if not, can't compare the two situations.
Where do I want to go? If Sophia showers with Ellie to enjoy sexually, next step is to accept it. She breaks a taboo with this, even if Sophia doesn't have vaginal sex next shower.
Let's see if Ellie will make Sophia accept it, that she really enjoys it, sexually. Once these words come out of her mouth, the door is open for hes two children.


Sorry, weren't my intentions shaming anybody. It is life itself, a straight man doesn't enjoy of it.

Even if Christine is not bi-sexual you can still compare the two events because Ellie told her mother about them showering together to put Sophia mind at ease about them sharing a shower.
All this happened before anything sexual happened between them in the shower.

 

[hzjujk]

And where are you getting the idea that Ellie (two "e"s) and Liam, have a "very distant relationship"? As far as I'm aware, she wants her parents having sex more regularly. She's just taking advantage at the moment because they're not. It's also why I believe the casino storyline that is required for the Ellie route isn't about splitting Sophia and Liam up, but repairing their relationship, hence also why the storyline is available on the GW route.

At some point, Elli was very distant from her father's current zeal for work.
And she doesn't care at all that what she does in coffin nails means to her parents' marriage.
As I said before, she wants to burn the city down with her mother and she doesn't care about her father.
It is possible that the story will later split into three ways. But at the moment i can only judge the development i know.

 

[Old Dog]

At some point, Elli was very distant from her father's current zeal for work.
And she doesn't care at all that what she does in coffin nails means to her parents' marriage.
As I said before, she wants to burn the city down with her mother and she doesn't care about her father.
It is possible that the story will later split into three ways. But at the moment i can only judge the development i know.

We think that that the story will split concerning Ellie/Logan and Sophia cold be a part of it.
I think that Ellie could be helping her mother or using her mother I am going for using her with Julia as the pawn.

 

[nexer]

Except that, as some of us have been saying this entire time, showering with Dylan has additional taboos, so the door will still remain closed and locked for Dylan. Pursuing a sexual relationship with Dylan is adultery, but it's not for Ellie. Dylan can never use the excuse Ellie has used so successfully so far of it's "just us women", because of the simple fact that he's not a woman.

Shifting sands all this.
Define adultery for a bisexual woman. Is adultery sex outside of marrige? sex with someone other than your husband.
A bisexual woman has sex or what with another woman?
Is Sophia having sex with Ellie? She will. That's adultery.

Even if Christine is not bi-sexual you can still compare the two events because Ellie told her mother about them showering together to put Sophia mind at ease about them sharing a shower.

Yeap. To convince her. It is a behavior of a straight man with a straight woman, Ellie being the man.
Let's accept it. Both, Sophia and Ellie are involved. Looking for sex in addition to their M/D relationship.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Shifting sands all this.
Define adultery for a bisexual woman. Is adultery sex outside of marrige? sex with someone other than your husband.
A bisexual woman has sex or what with another woman?
Is Sophia having sex with Ellie? She will. That's adultery.

Define adultery? That's simply adulteration of the bloodline. As I've said before, it's the same etymology. So adultery isn't just sex outside marriage in the slightest. Liam could cheat on Sophia, have another kid with another woman (not going to happen in game I know, it's just an example to explain my point), and it wouldn't be adultery, because Sophia's children will still be Liam's. Likewise, Sophia can have sex with Ellie, or Julia, Alyssa, Emma, Nathalie, Vicky, any woman she feels like, and because Sophia's children are still Liam's, it's not adultery.

But because any possible children from a sexual relationship between Sophia and Dylan would not be Liam's, but Dylan's, then adulteration has occurred, so adultery has been committed.

EDIT:

At some point, Elli was very distant from her father's current zeal for work.
And she doesn't care at all that what she does in coffin nails means to her parents' marriage.
As I said before, she wants to burn the city down with her mother and she doesn't care about her father.
It is possible that the story will later split into three ways. But at the moment i can only judge the development i know.

Any evidence to back up your claim Ellie wants to "burn the city down"? Oh, and the post from L&P talking about the Ellie route branching into 3 different paths is here

 

[Old Dog]

So almost everybody in AwAm suffers from GSA,is it because of the water?

 

[hzjujk]

Somehow I'm starting to think we're all a bit over-committed here.
For me sex with other adultery, whether with a man, woman or dog, no matter whether it can lead to children or not.
That's just one word for a total loss of trust. And what Elli creates here is a real loss of trust.

 

[nexer]

Define adultery? That's simply adulteration of the bloodline. As I've said before, it's the same etymology. So adultery isn't just sex outside marriage in the slightest. Liam could cheat on Sophia, have another kid with another woman (not going to happen in game I know, it's just an example to explain my point), and it wouldn't be adultery, because Sophia's children will still be Liam's. Likewise, Sophia can have sex with Ellie, or Julia, Alyssa, Emma, Nathalie, Vicky, any woman she feels like, and because Sophia's children are still Liam's, it's not adultery.

But because any possible children from a sexual relationship between Sophia and Dylan would not be Liam's, but Dylan's, then adulteration has occurred, so adultery has been committed.

I do not let you change the meaning based on etymology. Adultery is an adulteration of the sexual satisfaction, of sexual desire, of the frequency of sex and much more, but adulteration of the bloodline is only the consequence of adultery.

 

[Alley_Cat]

... And what Elli creates here is a real loss of trust.

Based on what?

 

[Old Dog]

Somehow I'm starting to think we're all a bit over-committed here.
For me sex with other adultery, whether with a man, woman or dog, no matter whether it can lead to children or not.
That's just one word for a total loss of trust. And what Elli creates here is a real loss of trust.

I have never had sex with any of the Parkerswell I may of imagined it at times.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I do not let you change the meaning based on etymology. Adultery is an adulteration of the sexual satisfaction, of sexual desire, of the frequency of sex and much more, but adulteration of the bloodline is only the consequence of adultery.

You're not letting me use the derivation of a word to define the word. Really? Words are defined by the morphemes they're constructed by. Ask any linguist, like Leah if she ever enters the game. I haven't changed the meaning of the word at all. And it's not just my definition, but the legal definition used in countries like Canada and the UK, particularly in

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. Just look up the section on Wiki about "Definitions and legal constructs". I can find other academic sources too, just give me some time.

And don't think I haven't noticed you're not addressing my other point, that Dylan can't use the same rationales as Ellie, since much of it is based on the girls being "just us women", eliminating him entirely from joining activities like their showers together.