VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[RupturedDuck]

3 months

 

[keefer43]

I think that the willful or knowing participation in incest (Sophia and Dylan) is unlikely - however the unknowing and accidental involvement seems very possible. I imagine a cosplay/glory hole situation (there can certainly be others) where either party has completely been disguised can allow for this to develop. Later the doubts begin.....

 

[RupturedDuck]

I think that the willful or knowing participation in incest (Sophia and Dylan) is unlikely - however the unknowing and accidental involvement seems very possible. I imagine a cosplay/glory hole situation (there can certainly be others) where either party has completely been disguised can allow for this to develop. Later the doubts begin.....

maybe he'll slip her a mickey or blackmail her into it

 

[McZoy]

I imagine the game is going to have something like 3-6 endings. I don't think any one of those endings will necessarily be the "best" ending because that will be subjective to each player. But I do think that there will be one ending that clearly has the most negative outcomes for Sophia. I think each player values different aspects and ideas of the game, so it makes sense that an ending that one player thinks is "perfect" is not for another player. But, I think we'll end up all agreeing on one ending being the worst for her.

That said, while I think having sex with Dylan will be the point of no return, I don't think it by itself will lock the player into this worst case scenario. While I personally don't think the idea is realistic, I could see L&P including an idea like the one you suggest. I believe that there will be a series of fail safes put in place toward the end of the game that will very clearly indicate that the player is making monumental decisions that will impact the ending. If Sophia decides (or doesn't have enough points) against having sex with Dylan, maybe endings 1 through 3 are still open to her. If she does have sex with Dylan, maybe those endings are locked out, but endings 4 through 6 are still available. If the player follows your idea, maybe Sophia and Dylan have sex once, and that narrows the endings down to either numbers 4 or 5. But, if you do choose to continue a relationship with Dylan, maybe then you get locked in to that 6th ending.

All of this is a bit simplistic of course. Certainly the relationships with Ellie and others will play a critical role in determining your ending. If you choose for Sophia to sleep with everyone under the sun except Dylan, I don't think Sophia gets away scott-free. And if the only person she sleeps with is Dylan, you may not get the worst possible outcome. But I do believe strongly that sex with Dylan is the number one critical hinge on which the entire game will pivot. Sophia may be able to balance Ellie, Julie, Patricia, Zach, Sam, Aiden, Morello, and Liam because the game is already locking us out with mutually exclusive storylines. But Dylan looms over everything if you haven't sent him away to boarding school.

In my scenario, I can see Sophia choosing to have sex with Dylan some time around playable day 20 (I think I mentioned this in an earlier post- I'll look for it). If she chooses yes, then I think it opens her up to finishing Aiden's last tasks. She doesn't have to accept these tasks, but she may not even get the choice unless she sleeps with Dylan because she'll need the extra filthy points. As Sophia completes Aiden's last few tasks, at some point she will have to make another decision about Dylan. If she hasn't accepted Aiden's tasks, the game may not allow the player to choose to continue with Dylan, but if the player has accepted Aiden's tasks then you can choose to continue with Dylan. Meanwhile the other storylines are continuing. This leads the game down the classic porn game path where Sophia is so unbelievably corrupted that she has lost all inhibition. By day 28, it is very possible that Sophia is carrying on some sort of sexual relationship with Ellie & Julie or Alyssa, Patricia, Dylan, Aiden(or other students), and Morello. If even half of that list is correct, that's staggering. I just don't see how you can write a compelling ending where anyone is happy in this scenario. It will be up to the player to keep Sophia's relationships in check, otherwise she risks it all.

Note- I listed Patricia, but I actually don't believe that she'll be an active sexual partner late in the game if you follow the filthiest route. I believe that Patricia, as Sophia's sister, will be the character that tries to reverse course away from the filthiest route. While Patricia is definitely a corrupting influencing, I don't think she wants to sabotage Sophia's life. If it reaches a point where Sophia is carrying on an affair with Ellie, Dylan, and others, I think Patricia will act as a narrative device to warn the player that their current path has extreme consequences.

In the end, I don't think the game is going to trick anyone into the saddest ending. You're going to need to go out of your way to ignore the warnings in order to get it.

And I agree that I think it would be cheap for a strictly Good Wife route to end with the happily ever after ending- it's too cliche.

Unfortunately, I am not young enough to play AWAM endings

 

[McZoy]

I used to be completely against the second part-time job as the male characters looked too young, maybe I'm wrong but pretty sure L&P redid them and made them look more Dylan, Zach and Sam's age.

Interesting, you post sorta confirms what I'm thinking, I can't see too many legit and realistic options for the old folk homes, the tutoring is a different story.

Old folks home I can see some flashing and maybe Sophia masturbates them but just don't see her having sex with them.

The tutoring seems to be setting up that she can't bring books in so Sophia will have to use her own body to teach them but I think there some shenanigans going on here. I think the boys know more than they letting on, especially the oldest one but what I'm not sure about is the mother.

Anyone catch the look the mother gave Sophia as she was being led by the boy who wanted to show Sophia her room?

Maybe I'm reading to much into it but it seemed like a "knowing" look, like she knew where this all going go and she might be in on whatever plan the boys have. It's clear I think the boys have some sort of plan, especially the older one but just don't know about the mother, maybe the look was of concern as her son is excitedly leading a woman to his room and she is concerned by his reaction.

So much potential in the tutoring job but just not sure how far L&P going take it, the next update should help to give a better idea of where it going.

Please do not worry. The 2nd part time job kids will be far into legal age when they will have active role in AWAM

 

[sphynks80]

For me the problem of this game is that it’s trying to be “realistic”, but it’s still have to stay enjoyable.
In real life, incest happens in family with low iq, secluded, that have some addiction to alcohol or drugs . Most of the time it’s an uncle, a cousin or a grandpa forcing himself on a young kid .
The only testimony I heard from a guy who had “sex” with his mother was of someone who was beaten, rape and treated less than a worm by said mother.
Ok. But what about the royal families of Europe ? They have engaged in incest relationship for centuries after all.
Yes, exactly. They have been doing it for centuries. Nothing strange at all for them.
Why do they do that ? To preserve their bloodline.
What the common point between all those situations and the story of AWAM? Nothing.
Why ? Because who would want to read the story of an alcoholic mother beating the crap out of her children while forcing herself on them...
So here we are in AWAM with a super sexy mother , well educated ,smart ( unless a certain situation needs to happen in the plot and she’s suddenly super dumb) , married for 20 years with what appears to be an almost perfect life, super conservative on the sexual side.
Wow. There is no way she would engage in anything incestual with that kind of background. Some crazy shit must have happened for it to be remotely realistic...

“Mom , I don’t have a girlfriend, I don’t know how to speak to women... can you show me your boobs ?
“What ?! No I can’t do that... I’m sorry but a mother is not supposed to show her boobs to her son. I’m really sorry...
“Dylan sad ”
“Oh my god!!! My son is sad!!! I will now engage in perfectly realistic situations with him...
Like : “ Can I feel the fabric of your bra?”
Or “My son just grabbed my ass ... I wonder if that kind of behavior is normal... how should I know ? It’s not like I was a 37 old married woman, mother of 2 , a teacher of high school students... I have no idea what pass for acceptable in this world...”
But not just with Dylan, with Ellie too:
“Mom ! That’s not fair ! How come you have French-kissed Patricia and not me?!?”
“(I don’t know... maybe because I was drunk, playing a role, exhausted after a long day, and because I loose a bet...) your arguments have convinced me Ellie. Let’s kiss !”


Joking aside , why does Dylan act like what he do with his mom perfectly normal ?
Because who would enjoy a story with a son being weirded out by his own comportement, questioning what’s wrong with himself and falling in deep depression? Nah he’s just horny, that’s perfectly normal...

Why does the son is doing the “corruption ” and not the other way around ?
Because who would want to follow a crazy mom trying to fuck her own children with them being disgusted by her comportement ?
It’s much more enjoyable to have the underdog virgin son corrupting the mom . It’s more satisfying.

Why does Sophia accept so easily their demands and is so forgiving of any wrongdoing on their part ? Most mother would die for their children. It doesn’t mean that they would accept everything from them.
Does Sophia was supposed to have a 3rd Child and she lost it in a miscarriage ? Or maybe a terrible accident where both her children were between life and death ? Something to explain her attitude...
Nah she just “really love her children ” .

Why does Dylan has a dick twice the size of his dad?
Because who would want to follow a story where the husband has the biggest dick and the son can’t even satisfy her as well as him ?
It’s much more satisfying when the son will fuck his mom while Sophia will be thinking how much Dylan is bigger than is dad, how much better, how she can’t feel any satisfaction anymore from Liam ‘s dick, and bla-bla-bla...

Why does Dylan after the yoga event is thinking something like :
“ I know that it’s wrong but I would really like to have a threesome with mom and Patricia ”
The same Dylan who has masturbated multiple times to his mom, is constantly pursuing her to show him her boobs, has grabbed her ass (and boobs depending on your route) multiple times , has “surprised“ kiss her on the lips, used her feet to rub his dick, etc has suddenly some sort of morality, and apparently knows that what he’s thinking about is wrong.
Because it’s necessary that an author remind from time to time the audience that their characters have some doubts about their own actions or thought, but will follow their urges regardless of the consequences. Them braking their own taboos is much more satisfying.
And it doesn’t matter if those same characters have never expressed a shadow of a doubt or regret or normal sense of morality before.
And after all because that’s what the protagonist is supposed to say in those kind of game.

Alright my bath is cold, so let’s wrap things up.
For me, realistically speaking, Sophia/Dylan incest storyline should have stopped the moment Dylan grabbed Sophia ass on the swing.

If they end up fucking and if the game was realistic, even if they don’t get caught, there’s no way that Sophia would just have fond memories of the times where she was fucking her son , let alone leave the rest of her life with him. She should have some guilt, regret. Something like that would break her psyche , her sense of morality.
But does L&p want to end his game on a realistic note or an enjoyable one ?

Why...? Why...? Why...? Why...? Because it is a game.

 

[Leldorin]

Why...? Why...? Why...? Why...? Because it is a game.

And this is a forum to talk about those games.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

Actual Progress Report.

 

[sept0342]

Good, so now we are in the tutoring event!

 

[Notretsam]

I don't think we need either of the development updates after only 5% increase or a small update.

 

[Skut100]

after all the speculation about the plot....
when can we expect a new preview?

 

[ancienregimele]

after all the speculation about the plot....
when can we expect a new preview?

Rumour had it that there'd be one on the weekend just gone. Now, who knows if, when....?

 

[ancienregimele]

For me the problem of this game is that it’s trying to be “realistic”, but it’s still have to stay enjoyable.
In real life, incest happens in family with low iq, secluded, that have some addiction to alcohol or drugs . Most of the time it’s an uncle, a cousin or a grandpa forcing himself on a young kid .
The only testimony I heard from a guy who had “sex” with his mother was of someone who was beaten, rape and treated less than a worm by said mother.
Ok. But what about the royal families of Europe ? They have engaged in incest relationship for centuries after all.
Yes, exactly. They have been doing it for centuries. Nothing strange at all for them.
Why do they do that ? To preserve their bloodline.
What the common point between all those situations and the story of AWAM? Nothing.
Why ? Because who would want to read the story of an alcoholic mother beating the crap out of her children while forcing herself on them...
So here we are in AWAM with a super sexy mother , well educated ,smart ( unless a certain situation needs to happen in the plot and she’s suddenly super dumb) , married for 20 years with what appears to be an almost perfect life, super conservative on the sexual side.
Wow. There is no way she would engage in anything incestual with that kind of background. Some crazy shit must have happened for it to be remotely realistic...

“Mom , I don’t have a girlfriend, I don’t know how to speak to women... can you show me your boobs ?
“What ?! No I can’t do that... I’m sorry but a mother is not supposed to show her boobs to her son. I’m really sorry...
“Dylan sad ”
“Oh my god!!! My son is sad!!! I will now engage in perfectly realistic situations with him...
Like : “ Can I feel the fabric of your bra?”
Or “My son just grabbed my ass ... I wonder if that kind of behavior is normal... how should I know ? It’s not like I was a 37 old married woman, mother of 2 , a teacher of high school students... I have no idea what pass for acceptable in this world...”
But not just with Dylan, with Ellie too:
“Mom ! That’s not fair ! How come you have French-kissed Patricia and not me?!?”
“(I don’t know... maybe because I was drunk, playing a role, exhausted after a long day, and because I loose a bet...) your arguments have convinced me Ellie. Let’s kiss !”


Joking aside , why does Dylan act like what he do with his mom perfectly normal ?
Because who would enjoy a story with a son being weirded out by his own comportement, questioning what’s wrong with himself and falling in deep depression? Nah he’s just horny, that’s perfectly normal...

Why does the son is doing the “corruption ” and not the other way around ?
Because who would want to follow a crazy mom trying to fuck her own children with them being disgusted by her comportement ?
It’s much more enjoyable to have the underdog virgin son corrupting the mom . It’s more satisfying.

Why does Sophia accept so easily their demands and is so forgiving of any wrongdoing on their part ? Most mother would die for their children. It doesn’t mean that they would accept everything from them.
Does Sophia was supposed to have a 3rd Child and she lost it in a miscarriage ? Or maybe a terrible accident where both her children were between life and death ? Something to explain her attitude...
Nah she just “really love her children ” .

Why does Dylan has a dick twice the size of his dad?
Because who would want to follow a story where the husband has the biggest dick and the son can’t even satisfy her as well as him ?
It’s much more satisfying when the son will fuck his mom while Sophia will be thinking how much Dylan is bigger than is dad, how much better, how she can’t feel any satisfaction anymore from Liam ‘s dick, and bla-bla-bla...

Why does Dylan after the yoga event is thinking something like :
“ I know that it’s wrong but I would really like to have a threesome with mom and Patricia ”
The same Dylan who has masturbated multiple times to his mom, is constantly pursuing her to show him her boobs, has grabbed her ass (and boobs depending on your route) multiple times , has “surprised“ kiss her on the lips, used her feet to rub his dick, etc has suddenly some sort of morality, and apparently knows that what he’s thinking about is wrong.
Because it’s necessary that an author remind from time to time the audience that their characters have some doubts about their own actions or thought, but will follow their urges regardless of the consequences. Them braking their own taboos is much more satisfying.
And it doesn’t matter if those same characters have never expressed a shadow of a doubt or regret or normal sense of morality before.
And after all because that’s what the protagonist is supposed to say in those kind of game.

Alright my bath is cold, so let’s wrap things up.
For me, realistically speaking, Sophia/Dylan incest storyline should have stopped the moment Dylan grabbed Sophia ass on the swing.

If they end up fucking and if the game was realistic, even if they don’t get caught, there’s no way that Sophia would just have fond memories of the times where she was fucking her son , let alone leave the rest of her life with him. She should have some guilt, regret. Something like that would break her psyche , her sense of morality.
But does L&p want to end his game on a realistic note or an enjoyable one ?

You make some very valid points, particularly with regard to the way the game has parted company with realism. When I first started playing AWAM three long years ago, I came into it when Sophia & Patricia were together in town for the first time. Back then this promised to be the high quality game/VN as outlined in the Patreon mission statement. IMO the renders are still amongst the best to be found but much else has changed.

I'm not going to dwell on the complex issues that now plague AWAM but rather just want to add a general word or two about European royal incest, which keeps on cropping up, albeit irregularly. I've posted elsewhere about the Hapsburgs & the problems incest caused that dynasty, even being one of the causes of international conflict on a massive scale. As a European, I can't help but wonder whether a wrong impression is being formed. There was never any presumption that royalty would marry a relative, just that they would marry other suitable royalty, usually not related & certainly not closely related.

European royal families did not engage in the kind of incest common amongst the Ancient Egyptian royalty, ie brothers & sisters did not get married, there was no mother/son, father/daughter official matches. Uncle/niece was known but was rare & might have had more to do with power & riches than creating new life. It was often the case that the Pope would be approached for a decision on whether the degree of consanguinity involved was likely to present a problem.

I could go into details about various family trees but something tells me to stop now.

 

[lockerxx]

Actual Progress Report.
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oh yes the new preview is close (i think )

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

You make some very valid points, particularly with regard to the way the game has parted company with realism. When I first started playing AWAM three long years ago, I came into it when Sophia & Patricia were together in town for the first time. Back then this promised to be the high quality game/VN as outlined in the Patreon mission statement. IMO the renders are still amongst the best to be found but much else has changed.

I'm not going to dwell on the complex issues that now plague AWAM but rather just want to add a general word or two about European royal incest, which keeps on cropping up, albeit irregularly. I've posted elsewhere about the Hapsburgs & the problems incest caused that dynasty, even being one of the causes of international conflict on a massive scale. As a European, I can't help but wonder whether a wrong impression is being formed. There was never any presumption that royalty would marry a relative, just that they would marry other suitable royalty, usually not related & certainly not closely related.

European royal families did not engage in the kind of incest common amongst the Ancient Egyptian royalty, ie brothers & sisters did not get married, there was no mother/son, father/daughter official matches. Uncle/niece was known but was rare & might have had more to do with power & riches than creating new life. It was often the case that the Pope would be approached for a decision on whether the degree of consanguinity involved was likely to present a problem.

I could go into details about various family trees but something tells me to stop now.

Still though, centuries of nieces and uncles, second cousins, marrying one another is going to have some bad results. This poor bastard had it rough.

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But yes, I get your point- incest with the immediate family was extremely rare.

 

[Deleted member 1188385]

I imagine Sophia doing Homer's sperm impression

 

[Deleted member 3359971]

oh yes the new preview is close (i think )

I hope so also

 

[JJsworld]

Took about 8 months off from this one, just came back... How are the progressions to updates coming???

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Took about 8 months off from this one, just came back... How are the progressions to updates coming???

8 months off may as well be the blink of an eye. you haven't missed much .

 

[Abhi007]

Jst come after 3years u may get some action....