VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[yihman1]

For the people talking about milking. It's the opposite actually:

- Dating My Daughter is less popular than this game in this site, still the dev has the double of patrons than L&P.
- This game is almost four times more popular than Fashion Business here: 22 M views against 6 M views, still DecentMonkey has more patrons and earns more money there.
- The Dev of Acting Lessons and Being a DIK started his first game later than this one and he already finished one and his other one is very advanced. He has like 7 times more patrons.

So, the fact that this dev has been very slow and unproductive has prevented him to earn more patrons and money. We are talking about a very popular game which earnings correspond for games with 1/4 its popularity.

There is a reason why the market is the way that it is.

Mr Dots the creator(s) of DMD is also the creator of Melody (completed), and Sunshine Love (WIP). It's questionable to claim that DMD is less popular than AWAM. Both are really big popular games.
AWAM = More comments 2623 pages vs 2094
DMD = More 1st post likes 2926 vs 2162
AWAM = More Reviews 258 vs 218
DMD = Higher Average Review 4 & change vs 3 & change

I like both games, and both are popular, but I think DMD is slightly more popular, but it's debatable.

Decent Monkey is one of the hardest working devs I have ever seen. They release so many renders and so frequently compared to most other devs. They earn it. Unique story too, and massive amount of animations.

Comparing almost any dev to Dr Pink Cake... Come on guy. Being a Dik is arguably the most popular adult game. I love AWAM, but it's not at the same level as Being a Dik in execution, and that's just a fact. AWAM is 720 being a Dik is 1080 for starters. Then there is massive amounts of sex in that game, and it's coded like a boss. It's like all around golden game. That level of production is nuts. If you want to compare someone to Dr Pink Cake leave L&P alone that just aint fair go with like Phillygames with his City of Broken Dreamers and Depraved Awakening or maybe CheekyGimp with Where the Heart is instead when comparing the big boys that's a more fair match up.

All those devs you just listed all work hard for it, and none of them are milkers.

Even L&P Isn't a milker. In spite of it being slow burn he still makes releases. In spite of it being blue ball. A release is a release the story continues. Maybe it's not progressing as fast as many want, but that's his style and that's his audience. He is shooting for more "Erotic" than "Pornographic".

If you want to know why L&P isn't stacking money to the ceiling as good as some of the other devs mentioned. I'll make a list of things L&P could do to get that cash flow up:

1) A lot of them games don't do it, but coming to the forums more often to drop a line and let people know your active and not have people debating this or that. If he came out to the forums and dropped a line a little more often that would help him grow a little better. I don't think L&P has a discord server or an Instagram or twitter or anything.

2) He kinda should switch from 720 to 1080p. A lot of people want HD, but at the same time that would take too long, and you don't want half the game in one resolution and the other half in another.

3) Animations: AWAM seems pretty light on animations. I think Neil boning his wife Amber was the only animation, and it was only 1 animation. At Damaged Goods we already have 18 animations, and there will be 8 more soon we came out on X-mas. People want animations.

4) The code needs a little bit of work for player convenience. A jump to day, or gallery mode option would be a big plus.

5) The game has been around for 3.5 years. It's a big game, and it's got a big fan base and has had a fair number of releases. There have been 17 or so releases now. (I have played every single one since RPGM days) So it's established, and not just established but well established. That being said Sophia the female protagonist has not even gone so far as to give a handjob to a man other than her husband. Not even a little quick tuggy tug. That is probably the slowest pace of any game I have ever seen. Even Jessica O'neil from JOHN is out pacing her. Ultimately when Sophia does fuck around it is a double edged sword. At some point in the future when Sophia does shift over from prude to lewd... Well, that's a big change. Some supporters will be upset that the blue balling comes to an end and leave, but other new ones may take there place and old ones may return. There is no real case study comparison of what happens when you do the blue ball thing so long as sophia then get out of it.

If you want me to point my finger and say "Milker"... There is only really one developer I can think of off the top of my head that fits that bill perfectly. The reason gumdrop is a milker is he missed 6 self imposed deadlines over a couple of year span releasing nothing, and then releases a "prologue" of his "remake" that is just a piano simulator.

Not making releases and breaking promises = Milking

Slow burning =/= Milking

Slow burning can actually cost a developer money if they do it too much.

 

[OdinValgallovih]

2) He kinda should switch from 720 to 1080p. A lot of people want HD, but at the same time that would take too long, and you don't want half the game in one resolution and the other half in another.

I have a 2k screen.
720p renders look terrible on it!
Who are all these people who are talking about amazing renders?))))
What is their screen resolution?
If the developer doesn't make 1080p in a couple of years it will look even worse.

 

[I_Love_Moms]

Hey guys. If I were to develop games like AWAM or other Renpy-based games, what skills do I need? Could someone who's familiar with this sort of game development help me with a detailed blueprint? Thanks!

 

[abram1]

There is a reason why the market is the way that it is.

Mr Dots the creator(s) of DMD is also the creator of Melody (completed), and Sunshine Love (WIP). It's questionable to claim that DMD is less popular than AWAM. Both are really big popular games.
AWAM = More comments 2623 pages vs 2094
DMD = More 1st post likes 2926 vs 2162
AWAM = More Reviews 258 vs 218
DMD = Higher Average Review 4 & change vs 3 & change

I like both games, and both are popular, but I think DMD is slightly more popular, but it's debatable.

Decent Monkey is one of the hardest working devs I have ever seen. They release so many renders and so frequently compared to most other devs. They earn it. Unique story too, and massive amount of animations.

Comparing almost any dev to Dr Pink Cake... Come on guy. Being a Dik is arguably the most popular adult game. I love AWAM, but it's not at the same level as Being a Dik in execution, and that's just a fact. AWAM is 720 being a Dik is 1080 for starters. Then there is massive amounts of sex in that game, and it's coded like a boss. It's like all around golden game. That level of production is nuts. If you want to compare someone to Dr Pink Cake leave L&P alone that just aint fair go with like Phillygames with his City of Broken Dreamers and Depraved Awakening or maybe CheekyGimp with Where the Heart is instead when comparing the big boys that's a more fair match up.

All those devs you just listed all work hard for it, and none of them are milkers.

Even L&P Isn't a milker. In spite of it being slow burn he still makes releases. In spite of it being blue ball. A release is a release the story continues. Maybe it's not progressing as fast as many want, but that's his style and that's his audience. He is shooting for more "Erotic" than "Pornographic".

If you want to know why L&P isn't stacking money to the ceiling as good as some of the other devs mentioned. I'll make a list of things L&P could do to get that cash flow up:

1) A lot of them games don't do it, but coming to the forums more often to drop a line and let people know your active and not have people debating this or that. If he came out to the forums and dropped a line a little more often that would help him grow a little better. I don't think L&P has a discord server or an Instagram or twitter or anything.

2) He kinda should switch from 720 to 1080p. A lot of people want HD, but at the same time that would take too long, and you don't want half the game in one resolution and the other half in another.

3) Animations: AWAM seems pretty light on animations. I think Neil boning his wife Amber was the only animation, and it was only 1 animation. At Damaged Goods we already have 18 animations, and there will be 8 more soon we came out on X-mas. People want animations.

4) The code needs a little bit of work for player convenience. A jump to day, or gallery mode option would be a big plus.

5) The game has been around for 3.5 years. It's a big game, and it's got a big fan base and has had a fair number of releases. There have been 17 or so releases now. (I have played every single one since RPGM days) So it's established, and not just established but well established. That being said Sophia the female protagonist has not even gone so far as to give a handjob to a man other than her husband. Not even a little quick tuggy tug. That is probably the slowest pace of any game I have ever seen. Even Jessica O'neil from JOHN is out pacing her. Ultimately when Sophia does fuck around it is a double edged sword. At some point in the future when Sophia does shift over from prude to lewd... Well, that's a big change. Some supporters will be upset that the blue balling comes to an end and leave, but other new ones may take there place and old ones may return. There is no real case study comparison of what happens when you do the blue ball thing so long as sophia then get out of it.

If you want me to point my finger and say "Milker"... There is only really one developer I can think of off the top of my head that fits that bill perfectly. The reason gumdrop is a milker is he missed 6 self imposed deadlines over a couple of year span releasing nothing, and then releases a "prologue" of his "remake" that is just a piano simulator.

Not making releases and breaking promises = Milking

Slow burning =/= Milking

Slow burning can actually cost a developer money if they do it too much.

That's pretty interesting and thorough post, thank you, sir! But I'd like to add smth.

Even L&P Isn't a milker. In spite of it being slow burn he still makes releases. He is shooting for more "Erotic" than "Pornographic".

The word "even" is redundant here as you show it later. And some folks don't get it that AWAM is an erotic VN, not a porn one.

2) He kinda should switch from 720 to 1080p. A lot of people want HD, but at the same time that would take too long, and you don't want half the game in one resolution and the other half in another.

That has happened already starting from 0.115. He also wanted to upscale all the previous renders but I can't recall whether he did it or not.

3) Animations: AWAM seems pretty light on animations. I think Neil boning his wife Amber was the only animation, and it was only 1 animation. At Damaged Goods we already have 18 animations, and there will be 8 more soon we came out on X-mas. People want animations.

Well, there are more than one (kissing, jerking off, washing intimate parts, playing with pussies, riding sibian, actual sex, etc.). The problem is they are scattered all over the game, so to see everything we gotta play all the possible routes. Can he make more of them? Sure, which is gonna make the "milkers club" a little bit saaltyy.

5) Sophia the female protagonist has not even gone so far as to give a handjob to a man other than her husband. Not even a little quick tuggy tug. That is probably the slowest pace of any game I have ever seen. Ultimately when Sophia does fuck around it is a double edged sword. At some point in the future when Sophia does shift over from prude to lewd...

That's L&P's response to that from his patreon page:
"And of course, the slowly developing story and gradual character development of the protagonist, to create an arc of suspense (actually all characters have their own personality)! Showing too much skin right at the beginning ruins the suspense. In my game everything is adapted to the story! And there will still be a lot of sizzling scenes!"

Probably the Rubicon has been crossed, and latest events unambiguously hinting at that. I've no clue what is "sizzling" for him. Was Dylan/Amber event hot, or Julia joining Parkers or the latest mother\daughter showering scene? Or that's nothing compared to what he has in mind? Once L&P ups the stakes and Sophia does get naughty, this thread will explode in rupture. Of course, we'd love that to happen yesterday, but "In my game everything is adapted to the story", so the chief has a plan and he sticks to it.

PS If someone thinks I'm quoting myself and not L&P. In 3 out of 4 given sentences he uses exclamation marks. That's an overkill for me. Thank God Spanish isn't official language in here or I would've have a vertigo from them.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Not making releases and breaking promises = Milking

L&P broke the patreon goal' promises.

It's 2021, this "game" would be good 3 years ago, now it's just just a slow burning VN with fantastic renders.
Games now have gallery, hidden collectibles, phone app, shop app.

This is just a VN, you just choose the path you want to see, that's all.

What you're all discussing, I've discussed a long of time ago, glad to see there's more people finally seeing it for what it is.

And for the record, I have no issues with whatever money he earns. He could earn 1 million a month and I would be here saying he deserves it, if he did.

 

[WhiteWolf619]

Hey guys. If I were to develop games like AWAM or other Renpy-based games, what skills do I need? Could someone who's familiar with this sort of game development help me with a detailed blueprint? Thanks!

The use of Daz3d or other programs to create art renders also how to use ren'py itself you can find several tutorials on youtube. And a good bank account as the assets for daz are not cheap, but you can always start small and build yourself up.

 

[yihman1]

Hey guys. If I were to develop games like AWAM or other Renpy-based games, what skills do I need? Could someone who's familiar with this sort of game development help me with a detailed blueprint? Thanks!

There are 3 "Main Skills" needed for renpy game development.

1) Writing. Gotta be able to write something that people want to read.

2) Visual Art. You either need to be able to draw good, or make daz renderes or have some other source of visaual art like clipping out porn images from various sites some people do that, or even trace them as was done for GGGB.

3) Coding you need at least a basic level of coding. People say stuff, have variables and menus.

Then there are some sub skills that help too:

Photoshop, Marketing, placing sound effects / music, organization, being able to talk to people even when they are rude, time management ect

Different people develop games different ways. So you just gotta figure out what's best for you.

 

[xhyntos]

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Oh shit i miss that one, and now is gone?

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Oh

Oh shit i miss that one, and now is gone?

yes, the scene was removed when the current update version was released.

 

[Deleted member 2183629]

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[xhyntos]

yes, the scene was removed when the current update version was released.

And L&P said why? Or is just a fix up?

 

[Scarlet56]

And L&P said why? Or is just a fix up?

Hush! it's a taboo subject!
A diplomatic incident

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

And L&P said why? Or is just a fix up?

It wasn't popular and was highly criticized. L&P didn't think it was a major plot point moving forward, so he decided to remove it from the game entirely.

 

[cloudstrife]

The use of Daz3d or other programs to create art renders also how to use ren'py itself you can find several tutorials on youtube. And a good bank account as the assets for daz are not cheap, but you can always start small and build yourself up.

Oh god tell me about it, I've spent around 300 dollars in the last few days at DAZ3D on new environments and poses for something

 

[Notretsam]

so been thinking about that preview image of Ava staring at Sophia and the fact L&P has stated something big happens eventually in the home tutoring event. Don't know if that be in the next update or a future update but I been wondering what the big event could be.

I do think Sophia is close to finally going all-in with someone not named Liam, maybe that big event at the home tutoring is what finally pushes her over the line. Her recent behaviour suggests she close, I think it's safe to say whenever this big event happens at home tutoring, then look out, every update could be sex-filled after that.

Of course, it has to be logical but the way Ava is looking at Sophia in the picture, makes me think Ava likes Sophia in that very tight top or she is questioning Sophia on her choice of top. So next update won't have sex but I do think we have a clearer idea of when Sophia finally be corrupted.

The only way anything happens in the next update is if the boys blackmail Sophia I think.

 

[BUCCO]

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I'm curious now, applies to both ways?? the one with the hired? or it is true that they defended another student?

 

[cloudstrife]

I'm curious now, applies to both ways?? the one with the hired? or it is true that they defended another student?

Aiden and his gang were bullying another kid when Dylan and Zac stepped in to tell him to stop, which is supposed to be what started all this

 

[BUCCO]

Aiden and his gang were bullying another kid when Dylan and Zac stepped in to tell him to stop, which is supposed to be what started all this

Thank you very much for your answer

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I do think Sophia is close to finally going all-in with someone not named Liam, maybe that big event at the home tutoring is what finally pushes her over the line. Her recent behaviour suggests she close, I think it's safe to say whenever this big event happens at home tutoring, then look out, every update could be sex-filled after that.

I'll split a hair with you. You seem to feel that Sophia is at the beginning of the end phase, that she's close to going "all-in with someone not named Liam". Instead, I think she's at the end of the beginning. This is slightly different from you because I don't think she's thinking YET about cheating on Liam. I think as of the end of the jailhouse scene, she's just feeling a little frisky but hasn't crossed that line yet. I think as we finish playable day 12 in the next update, it will mark a delineation point where the corruption of Sophia begins to take hold. Prior to playable day 12, I don't think she showed too many signs of corruption; but by the end of playable day 12 the corruption is definitely beginning to show. In the coming days the idea of cheating on Liam is going to enter her mind, I predict by playable day 14 or 15. Once it does, that will mark the beginning of the end.

The "end" won't be playable day 19 when she finally cheats on Liam, it's going to be whenever the player has the choice to really double down on the corruption. I think L&P will give Sophia opportunities to redeem herself after she cheats. But whenever the player makes the choice to fully pursue the filthy path, that's when we can say "it's over".

 

[hzjujk]

Of course, it has to be logical but the way Ava is looking at Sophia in the picture, makes me think Ava likes Sophia in that very tight top or she is questioning Sophia on her choice of top. So next update won't have sex but I do think we have a clearer idea of when Sophia finally be corrupted.

The only way anything happens in the next update is if the boys blackmail Sophia I think.

With this picture I would just assume that the kids were enthusiastic about Sophia.
And that with their enthusiasm they gave Ava the security that they made the right
decision with Sophia. And that Sophia is amazed and happy about it. Not more.

Why should the boys blackmail Sophia? For sex that the boys have no idea about?
I don't think there will be any physical action between the boys and Sophia.
But we have a similar situation here as in prison. Sophia controls the situation, intellectually, emotionally and physically.
I also expect bare skin at this event. Sophia will enjoy it and at the same time be ashamed of it. Nevertheless she will continue she has an educational mandate!
And I think a masurbation scene awaits us. Not this time, but at the next homeschooling event.
And let's face it, worse could happen to the boys.