VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Talcum Powder]

Image quality is not the issue and never has been. If L&P now has four RTX 3090 cards (no reason to doubt this, btw) that's more than enough power to render pretty much whatever at ultra high resolution and gazillions of passes.

Some users have demonstrated that the 720p can be upscaled faster with excellent results than rendering in higher definition. Fine, whatever.

My fear at the time L&P announced his hardware investment was that they would spend the time savings on higher resolution, more tinkering, more renders and, as recent teasers have confirmed, bigger and more complicated scenes.

If we're already dissatisfied with the development cycle can you imagine what happens if/when L&P starts working on animations? Hardware can handle it no problem, but setting up the animations and test-rendering them, re-tinkering and adjusting? Never mind the learning curve...

Yikes.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

There were links on here about Quality vs. Quantity. Did you not ready L&P response to that post? If not or didn't see the post, here is the link again.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-115-lust-passion.5944/post-3931853

L&P:
"That quality goes hand in hand with quantity is what you say. For me, quality is the fastidious work on every single render including everything from the lighting over scene subtleties to the smallest pose and expression detail. The quantity is just a byproduct which emerges by the amount of renders I need to tell a scene!"

apparently it's you that didn't read it.

L&P says: quality is the fastidious work on every single render including everything from the lighting over scene subtleties to the smallest pose and expression detail

This is what can't change has it's the only thing setting this VN apart from others.
Imagine telling a guy who's OCD on lights and rendering quality to render with less quality and look at mistakes and not fix them.

It's quantity that should reduce. What he needs is less rendering/better story telling.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Image quality is not the issue and never has been. If L&P now has four RTX 3090 cards (no reason to doubt this, btw) that's more than enough power to render pretty much whatever at ultra high resolution and gazillions of passes.

Some users have demonstrated that the 720p can be upscaled faster with excellent results than rendering in higher definition. Fine, whatever.

My fear at the time L&P announced his hardware investment was that they would spend the time savings on higher resolution, more tinkering, more renders and, as recent teasers have confirmed, bigger and more complicated scenes.

If we're already dissatisfied with the development cycle can you imagine what happens if/when L&P starts working on animations? Hardware can handle it no problem, but setting up the animations and test-rendering them, re-tinkering and adjusting? Never mind the learning curve...

Yikes.

Animations is going to be the begining of the end for this if he doesnt hire someone to do them.


Regarding the GPU upgrade, I agree. The hardware upgrade was supposed to help in the dev cycle but it terms of timings, it only did worse.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

apparently it's you that didn't read it.

L&P says: quality is the fastidious work on every single render including everything from the lighting over scene subtleties to the smallest pose and expression detail

This is what can't change has it's the only thing setting this VN apart from others.
Imagine telling a guy who's OCD on lights and rendering quality to render with less quality and look at mistakes and not fix them.

It's quantity that should reduce. What he needs is less rendering/better story telling.

Read it again... I can only assume English isn't your first language.

 

[Maestro91]

I didn't realize that it had updates in march...
Could someone please tell me what is new from 0.100 to 0.115?
OP says nothing.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Read it again... I can only assume English isn't your first language.

"So the issue at hand here isn't just the render count; it's trying to convince him that his Quality will not suffer if images were removed over all that can afford to be removed, as the quantity or render count is the byproduct side of it."


You're right, long day here.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

You know he's a bit like the friend we all know who tinkers in his workshop alone, and sometimes does extraordinary things. He wants to try a lot of things and would be incapable of trusting, giving or receiving even relevant and legitimate instructions. Unable to work as a team because so many ideas come together
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He's that one code monkey in his 40s with 2 decades of experience that sometimes pull brilliant shit out of his ass but that no sane company would even think about putting in a management position.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I didn't realize that it had updates in march...
Could someone please tell me what is new from 0.100 to 0.115?
OP says nothing.

The 0.115 update came out at the end of December. An Ellie shower with some new revelations, and trip to the sauna with Vicky and her boyfriend, and either surprising Liam at work or visiting Don Morello's brother in prison.

 

[m4pII]

For me personally, the problem with this game is not the distance between updates, but the following:

- Lack of progress in the plot and character development per each update.

The plot has frankly stood still for years.
Instead of developing existing characters, the author constantly introduces new ones, moving wider and not forward.
The main character does not develop and stands still.
The main theme of the game is corruption. For 5 years, very insignificant steps have been taken in this direction.

I am not an expert, but in my opinion, in general, there are 2 types of development - fast updates / slow plot and character development; and lengthy updates / major steps in the development of the plot and character.

- Frankly weak writing.

The author copes relatively well with female characters and staged scenes.
But the men in this game are frankly weak in terms of writing.
Ask yourself the question, which of the male characters can Sophia look at and get horny and wet?
Who can she fall in love with and call the man of her dreams? Minor boys?

- The pride of the author, bordering on selfishness.

Development speed issues are obvious. And if he was thinking about fans, he would have had several assistants long ago.

He would just step over himself and do what he should have done a long time ago.

I'm not saying that he milks the project, the quality of the picture is obvious.
But it is quite understandable that with such a speed, in the next 10 years he will not have problems with money.

And I don't want to offend anyone, especially since I just started reading you, and I like your thoughts and communication.
But sometimes I just find it funny because of the level of naivety and your selfless faith in the author, when the problems are more than obvious.

Moreover, at the time when the Free Pass (After Choices) game appeared, which is compared with the visual part, and at least so far is devoid of all the above drawbacks. There, for now, the author shows how to make this type of game.

Sorry for my English.

 

[roro]

 

[Scarlet56]

Image quality is not the issue and never has been. If L&P now has four RTX 3090 cards (no reason to doubt this, btw) that's more than enough power to render pretty much whatever at ultra high resolution and gazillions of passes.

Some users have demonstrated that the 720p can be upscaled faster with excellent results than rendering in higher definition. Fine, whatever.

My fear at the time L&P announced his hardware investment was that they would spend the time savings on higher resolution, more tinkering, more renders and, as recent teasers have confirmed, bigger and more complicated scenes.

If we're already dissatisfied with the development cycle can you imagine what happens if/when L&P starts working on animations? Hardware can handle it no problem, but setting up the animations and test-rendering them, re-tinkering and adjusting? Never mind the learning curve...

Yikes.

It seems to me that L&P did say that he would do animations but when the game is over.
And that he will find someone to do them because for him, it's too high.

 

[Bishop Robert]

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Perhaps the Dylan event will leave a cliffhanger and he doesn't want to release what he has now then start the next update with something big? Just my guess.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

If the Dylan event is so important, does that mean it's going to be another long scene? Is it going to be another scene that grows out of control?

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

If the Dylan event is so important, does that mean it's going to be another long scene? Is it going to be another scene that grows out of control?

I'll let you decide what L&P is saying here. Some might think this is a cryptic response.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I'll let you decide what L&P is saying here. Some might think this is a cryptic response.

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Oh god. See you in late May boys.

 

[hzjujk]

People you scare me. If L&P read all the discussions about his work speed and work organization he would possibly be so depressed that the project would stop. Anyway, I'm depressed.
You seem to me like a bunch of fully understanding adults who stand around a child and persuade him to do this or that so that life can go ahead.
FOLKS, WE ARE ADDICTS. ADMIT IT TO YOURSELF! QUESTION YOUR MOTIVATION!
I don't trust myself to cross the path.

Anyone who has ever coordinated a software project knows how much time it costs if several people work on this project.
How much effort does it cost to distribute the tasks so that everyone does the right thing at the right time, and how much
nerve it takes to clarify the interfaces. And that with experienced employees who have known each other for a long time.
Initially, its effectiveness will decrease even further. Then maybe increase but only if he does not have to find out that
the new employee does not fit his way of working. That will also be a reason why L&P is so opposed to it or shy away from risk.

If someone wants to start a survey here with the aim of reducing the quality of the images in order to increase the output speed,
he loses something from L&P that he enjoys most about the whole development. That would be like, Bane71, as if you started a survey with the aim of taking my chocolate away - WORLD WAR 3. He would still deliver but I think his main motivation would be gone.
I can pass the suggestion on to KillJoy: Please reduce the quality of your graphics that are published by FanArt and make a few more pictures for them!

Allycat, I played FreePass. Moderate graphics and a story that, like other games, seems to have been copied from this one.
Just because he listens to you he's not a good developer.

And now the dear money. Of course that will also be a motivation. And he definitely wants to live from the game for as long as possible.
I also have no selfless trust in the developer. I am a Patreon but if the whole thing were so important to me I would not donate but make a solid contract with someone else.

So, now increase my response count with FacePalms.

 

[lockerxx]

the last two events are the sophie/aiden and sophie/dylan ok. i hope the dylan evet will be short and easy one for L&p

 

[darkestq]

Is there any difference on 4th of March update ? Or, is this a fix-update ?

 

[Deleted member 2183629]

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[Freug]

If the first sex scene is on playable day 19 wouldn't that kind of imply that Sophia must have started doing other sexual acts like blowjobs, handjobs on other men from a few days back itself. I don't see the sex scene being the very first straight up act of cheating by Sophia. I mean I have never come across a corruption game where blowjob scenes weren't already there in the game before a sex scene came along.

I hope you're right.

It depends entirely on what is considered a "sex scene" by L&P, and by Patreon. It may only be that blowjobs and handjobs start at playable day 19, and that actual penetrative sex is much later. Considering the glacial pass of their content so far, I think this is more likely, especially considering that the lesbian route tends to have events first, and Ellie only has one event coming up on playable day 14. Keep in mind too that it's against Patreon's TOS to show sexual activity with minors, for which Dylan and Sam both are, so L&P needs to delay it for as long as possible.

If the first sex scene is on playable day 19 wouldn't that kind of imply that Sophia must have started doing other sexual acts like blowjobs, handjobs on other men from a few days back itself. I don't see the sex scene being the very first straight up act of cheating by Sophia. I mean I have never come across a corruption game where blowjob scenes weren't already there in the game before a sex scene came along.

After the prison visit, there could be possibilities of Don Moreno requiring one more conjugal visit to pay off the debt. Sophia already has fantasized about that. But we'll see!