VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Leldorin]

s "Oh, yeah, of course, sorry! I'm Sophia and that's my sister Patricia."
ja "You're sisters? Cool! Um... and... what are you girls up to?"

ja "Well... um... we also could offer you a free, private tour through the museum when nobody is there! Um, my dad knows the owner. And we know almost everything about the exhibits and could tell you a little about them!"

This seems to indicate that the museum date is at the end of the day after closing. Although how hot the event can be when Jason and Haru know that they're sisters is questionable, unless Sophia and Patricia get up to shenanigans together afterwards. And even if this and the Ellie event are the only two lesbian events during the day, that still leaves the rest of the day as "mostly hetero"

The riding event is supposed to be a really big event that might take the majority of the day if I remember correctly.
For me that leave 3 options :

-The riding event will only focus on Sophia and Patricia and no male will be involved. Which leaves us with the museum guys. But unless there’s some alcohol involved, I can’t see why that event would lead to more than showing some boobs. But according to L&p the Hetero events on that day are supposed to be “hotter” than what we had previously (which was at best showing her boobs)

-Or, for whatever reason, some guys will be involved in the riding event.
Either a new character (again), or Dylan. Don’t ask me why he would be here when he wasn’t invited, all of this is just me putting some theories out there, but as seen previously, something that may look like a lesbian event at first (the yoga event with Dylan being there out of nowhere) or a lesbian storyline (Vicky and now her boyfriend) may not continue on that trajectory.

-Or a 3rd option, would be that what could have been a “fairly simple” 14th playable day with 3 or 4 events with one big in the middle (riding event), will now be filled with “Dylan side stories” (Dylan/Amber, Dylan/Emma, Dylan/Ellie, Dylan/Marie, etc).
Making what could have been a really (relatively speaking), simple playable day with not that many events, bloated with events, which would then put playable day 15 in 3 years from now on at best.(if we continue on that trend of updates speed)

 

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[Cold brew]

After explicitly telling Sophia that taking the subway at night alone in San Alejo is just idiotic. Under no circumstance do it. There is really no reasonable reason for Sophia to take the subway. Sophia is in no way an idiot.

Even though I have played all paths, I want to go on the record that I have never chosen that one. Sophia always takes the car. Anyways, with that out of the way, It looks like Sophia gets distracted at times... and why other people make her ignore her sister and take the subway, I will blame it on... long waits between updates. Patricia without question, and without any witnesses to speak of, knows how to resolve threats towards Sophia. Patricia Turner is the best sister in the world that anyone could ever have. I just hope Patricia doesn't come after any of YOU OTHER PEOPLE for making Sophia take the subway.

 

[john_jones21]

There isn't an big enough for this statement. Nothing can change, everything has to be how it is, anyone thinking differently is wrong, no middle ground on anything. That opening line is the definition of a "strawman argument". People are asking that he scale his graphics back down to where they were an update or two ago, and not use 1080p. Is he saying his graphics before were shit? It's just another attempt to avoid any accountability.

When he abandons this game he'll blame everyone else for failing to support him enough in realising his vision.

Just a reminder that the original idea was that each release would be a playable day. Then he split it into 2 releases per day. His last split into thirds was actively rejected by his patrons and he did it anyway, now he's trying to justify why he failed to deliver any of the promised benefits of a split.

At some point in his life L&P is going to want to do things like get married, buy a house and have kids of his own. Does anyone really think he's going to build a life on a porn erotic game for perverts?

 

[armion82]

His position is still strong, the number of patrons is growing so nothing will change.
But when after 4 months you come up with 800 renders you don't explain 7days/8-10 hours.

He definitely need to speed up at least a little.
The statemenet from some guy/girl back in 2020 will turn to be right.
It was something like this.
day 8 - around 3 months
day 9 - around 5 months
day 10 - around 7 months
day 11 - around 9 months
day 12 - around 11 months?
I need to apologies for not believeing him/her.
And I am afraid that day 12 will need even more than 11 months to be completed.

 

[Old Dog]

Fairly sure he stated somewhere he floated that option too, that he could release updates after "big" events. But what constitutes a "big" event seems to be completely arbitrary, much like what gingersweetgirl is saying. The events of this update were meant to be small, but L&P has evidently changed his mind.

That said, this is still information that I've picked up along the way, and don't have immediate quotes for, so can be taken with as many grains as salt as one wants. But if a patron has a quote one way or another, I'd be much obliged.

I have heard that if you're not doing Aiden's tasks, Patricia will call on Saturday to arrange the Sunday event, but I don't have the evidence to back it up. But yeah, I made the same protests right after the update when I found out about it.

Worst case scenario, even if it isn't the case, I will likely create a mod to enable the horse-riding event on the lesbian route. Because like other things, requiring Sophia to accept Aiden's tasks for things on the lesbian route to me is just dumb. If you're interested, PM me and I'll loop you into the PM thread.

I didn't know that it was connected to the Aiden event,I thought that it had more to do Sophia's relationship with Patricia and high lesbian points.

 

[nexer]

He definitely need to speed up at least a little.
The statemenet from some guy/girl back in 2020 will turn to be right.
It was something like this.
day 8 - around 3 months
day 9 - around 5 months
day 10 - around 7 months
day 11 - around 9 months
day 12 - around 11 months?
I need to apologies for not believeing him/her.
And I am afraid that day 12 will need even more than 11 months to be completed.

On the other hand let's accept his working style, his workflow, he starts the event and lets himself be carried away by the atmosphere and the new ideas that come up during the creation. Ok, good.
But where are the results? Because the result is calculated in the number of renders.

 

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[hzjujk]

What people here think is a lack of organization is part of the creative process for L&P.
And they will never, never, agree with Him on this.
They say he is lying because he does not meet the goals he has set himself. But even here these goals are
subordinated to what he considers to be much more important. HIS way of telling the story.
And they will never agree with him on that either.
It doesn't work like them, and it doesn't work like Alley_Cat either.
Who, as I believe his post here, has a completely different way of writing a visual novel. My respect for that,
by the way!
I have to admit I was selfish. The remark from Allay_Cat that there will hardly be anything for him in the
next updates. Because he only plays selected routes. I didn't think of that when people keep complaining
about superfluous scenes and side paths that only distract from the main story. It is already clear to me
that it is frustrating when you wait months for an update and then only get a piece of the sausage.
Because you don't want to pursue certain fetishes of others here.
I was selfish because the game had enough content for me with every update, but I didn't think about the
other players at all. My apologies for that!

 

[Talcum Powder]

Either way, the fact that he wants to tell a story the way he likes doesn't explain the amount of renders.
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Better to take a day off, write the text, sketch the scenes and then DAZ.

(Morning rant incoming)
Totally agree, build up each scene with quick, small, limited detail, line sketches. 2x3 inch thumbnails, one for each shot indicated by the script - which should be pretty well locked down before this process even starts.
The thumbnail process should be done from start to finish like four or five times, minimum.

After reviewing the work cut out (literally, with scissors) and arrange the pieces in linear fashion. Only keep the best ideas, drop repetitive/duplicative/bad ideas.

Then put all that aside, completely discard it.

Do a new storyboard for the whole scene from start to finish but with larger thumbnails, increase the size of each frame to 3x5 or 4x6 or so. Do it again, start to finish. Maybe even a third time.

Using those two or three, cut out and arrange in a storyboard that will serve as the final rough, again discarding duplicative/repetitive/bad ideas.

By this point you’ve gone through the scene from start to finish six or seven times at least. So if you haven’t added a particular shot to your storyboard at this point it cannot be necessary to tell your story.

Finally, and to paraphrase a great director, “trust the process ... just shoot the script.”

 

[bayrischman]

I am very interested) Thank you.

Yes, it makes sense, but I agree with Alley_Cat that Sophia's very consent to blackmail, on the lesbian route, is simply stupid.

i am very interested. please add me to the group.,

 

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[bayrischman]

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what excuses are there this time. the pup lies across to him .

 

[nexer]

(Morning rant incoming)
Totally agree, build up each scene with quick, small, limited detail, line sketches. 2x3 inch thumbnails, one for each shot indicated by the script - which should be pretty well locked down before this process even starts.
The thumbnail process should be done from start to finish like four or five times, minimum.

After reviewing the work cut out (literally, with scissors) and arrange the pieces in linear fashion. Only keep the best ideas, drop repetitive/duplicative/bad ideas.

Then put all that aside, completely discard it.

Do a new storyboard for the whole scene from start to finish but with larger thumbnails, increase the size of each frame to 3x5 or 4x6 or so. Do it again, start to finish. Maybe even a third time.

Using those two or three, cut out and arrange in a storyboard that will serve as the final rough, again discarding duplicative/repetitive/bad ideas.

By this point you’ve gone through the scene from start to finish six or seven times at least. So if you haven’t added a particular shot to your storyboard at this point it cannot be necessary to tell your story.

Finally, and to paraphrase a great director, “trust the process ... just shoot the script.”

And what does he need in the end? Someone who, once he knows the future storylines/scenarios, sketches the characters and with that the camera position. You don't need a DAZ-er, you need a sketch artist and that's easier to find.
Not to mention the advantage of viewing the scene, even if it's just a sketch.

 

[hzjujk]

I quite like your point of view.
I totally understand what you mean.
For me, you have to distinguish the creative process from the organization.

In the creative process, it is normal that the ideas flow and that it is confused, badly arranged, there is enthusiasm to put a lot of things. In this part, we allow ourselves complete freedom.
Then comes the organization process, the ideas collected, we sort them (sorting, it's putting everything in place and also throwing away) and then we can move forward with a guideline and we can check that what we do corresponds to what was expected.
Of course there is still room to change things, but normally there are no major changes.

Regarding the content of the subject, it is also very interesting what you explain. For my part, I do not accept the blackmail of Aiden. I liked the idea of Dylan being the person behind this blackmail. I had empathy for him, and not hate at all.
There is a lot of games/novels/TV-series where the updates (next chapter/episodes) do not correspond to what we want to see, because we each have our favorite characters.
On which character is affected by the updates, I think that's not really up for debate. Everyone must have something to have fun with in a few updates, or L&P should have introduced fewer characters.

I kept playing games that had paths or fetishes that I didn't want to follow. This then had the consequence that there were updates that had hardly any content for me. Or maybe even a fetish served by me but could only be reached via ways that I did not consider logical. For example, I don't like the SAM route. That means the update after the next will hardly have anything in store for me. But I would never berate the developer for taking unnecessary sideways for me. I think, although my apology was meant as I wrote it, that some here come up with chains of arguments out of fear of being neglected, and that they also present them with a sharpness that is totally exaggerated.

 

[xxxorro]

I have heard that if you're not doing Aiden's tasks, Patricia will call on Saturday to arrange the Sunday event, but I don't have the evidence to back it up. But yeah, I made the same protests right after the update when I found out about it.

Worst case scenario, even if it isn't the case, I will likely create a mod to enable the horse-riding event on the lesbian route. Because like other things, requiring Sophia to accept Aiden's tasks for things on the lesbian route to me is just dumb. If you're interested, PM me and I'll loop you into the PM thread.

The riding event is supposed to be a really big event that might take the majority of the day if I remember correctly.
For me that leave 3 options :

-The riding event will only focus on Sophia and Patricia and no male will be involved. Which leaves us with the museum guys. But unless there’s some alcohol involved, I can’t see why that event would lead to more than showing some boobs. But according to L&p the Hetero events on that day are supposed to be “hotter” than what we had previously (which was at best showing her boobs)

-Or, for whatever reason, some guys will be involved in the riding event.
Either a new character (again), or Dylan. Don’t ask me why he would be here when he wasn’t invited, all of this is just me putting some theories out there, but as seen previously, something that may look like a lesbian event at first (the yoga event with Dylan being there out of nowhere) or a lesbian storyline (Vicky and now her boyfriend) may not continue on that trajectory.

-Or a 3rd option, would be that what could have been a “fairly simple” 14th playable day with 3 or 4 events with one big in the middle (riding event), will now be filled with “Dylan side stories” (Dylan/Amber, Dylan/Emma, Dylan/Ellie, Dylan/Marie, etc).
Making what could have been a really (relatively speaking), simple playable day with not that many events, bloated with events, which would then put playable day 15 in 3 years from now on at best.(if we continue on that trend of updates speed)

Maybe this doesn't mean anything, but in the script, when Patricia mention the Sunday horse riding event, it is not tied to anything, there are no conditions for that dialogue to happen. So it seems logic to expect that it will happen no matter what.
Obviously, he can always limit or condition that later on (i.e. Patricia calling to cancel or not calling at all etc).
But like you I found strange the you have to be in Aiden's task route to have the event. Not being on Aiden's task route could make a little bit more sense because then it could be the alternative event to the horse riding (i.e. Aiden's 5th task). But in that case we gonna have 3 tasks in the space of 4 (real) days, maybe too much?

On a side note, the horse riding happens on Sunday, while the PD 14 is a Saturday I think. Otherwise Patricia has to call Sophia some time on PD 13 (Friday) and we skip one day.
And in the evening of PD 14 we have the museum guy event (because the museum is closed). So either it will be at end of the horse riding event (PD 14 is a sunday) or before the horse event (PD 14 is Saturday, and PD 15 sunday).
In that case (and in any case) the sentence:

All I can say is that there are some really hot scenes planned for the next 3 playable days. Especially end of playable day 13 and 14! Of course we're talking here about more and much more daring scenes then we got now. Mostly hetero.

can be a little ambiguous. Is he meaning also end of day 14 or just day 14 in general?
Not that it makes a big difference, we know that it won't a sex scene. Also it depends on his concept of hot scene, once we will see his idea of hot scene for the Mayer's boy maybe we can think about something

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I'm not sure about that. It might look like we can get the updates quicker but in reality it will delay the overall progress of the game which can only be seen in the long run.

Since I'm one among those who worry about the future of game, I politely request everybody to endure this wait period and let L&P sort out this issue after the upcoming update.

You're right that it will delay overall progress, but the situation is getting desperate.

To your final point: if L&P had come out with a statement at some point acknowledging that development was moving too slowly and that he was taking steps to avoid this in the future, he could have eased any backlash. But he hasn't done that, so it seems unlikely he is going to "sort out his issues" because he doesn't think he has any.

 

[Old Dog]

Maybe this doesn't mean anything, but in the script, when Patricia mention the Sunday horse riding event, it is not tied to anything, there are no conditions for that dialogue to happen. So it seems logic to expect that it will happen no matter what.
Obviously, he can always limit or condition that later on (i.e. Patricia calling to cancel or not calling at all etc).
But like you I found strange the you have to be in Aiden's task route to have the event. Not being on Aiden's task route could make a little bit more sense because then it could be the alternative event to the horse riding (i.e. Aiden's 5th task). But in that case we gonna have 3 tasks in the space of 4 (real) days, maybe too much?

On a side note, the horse riding happens on Sunday, while the PD 14 is a Saturday I think. Otherwise Patricia has to call Sophia some time on PD 13 (Friday) and we skip one day.
And in the evening of PD 14 we have the museum guy event (because the museum is closed). So either it will be at end of the horse riding event (PD 14 is a sunday) or before the horse event (PD 14 is Saturday, and PD 15 sunday).
In that case (and in any case) the sentence:

can be a little ambiguous. Is he meaning also end of day 14 or just day 14 in general?
Not that it makes a big difference, we know that it won't a sex scene. Also it depends on his concept of hot scene, once we will see his idea of hot scene for the Mayer's boy maybe we can think about something

For something to happen on the horse riding event between Sophia/Patricia they both need high lesbian points and a good relationship,if you don't have these then it will probably be a none sexual encounter.

 

[Old Dog]

You're right that it will delay overall progress, but the situation is getting desperate.

To your final point: if L&P had come out with a statement at some point acknowledging that development was moving too slowly and that he was taking steps to avoid this in the future, he could have eased any backlash. But he hasn't done that, so it seems unlikely he is going to "sort out his issues" because he doesn't think he has any.

There is hardly any backlash(on his patron page)as a lot of patrons are happy and drooling over the Dylan/Sophia and Aiden/Sophia events.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

There is hardly any backlash(on his patron page)as a lot of patrons are happy and drooling over the Dylan/Sophia and Aiden/Sophia events.

Right, so where it counts most he's getting support.

Everything is going to come down to how this update is received once it's released. The only time patrons will revolt is if the actual update us underwhelming.