VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[GingerSweetGirl]

Agree with you. The thing going completely off track is the number of renders. Each successive day is getting bigger than the previous one. His pace has been more or less the same from the Start till now. This day is already 1463 renders with the next release. Plus the Sam update is expected around 800 again taking it to 2000+ renders in one day. Day 17,18,19 alone are more than 50% of the game.
From what I think other than day 15 everyday will follow this pattern. And once the cheating aspect starts the days are going to get even bigger

If we tell him this his answer will be that some days are just busier than the others and that's end of argument. He does not realize that since days are getting so big he needs help to deliver them. 5-6 renders per day will never be able to finish this game.

1. We can't even guess at how many renders the next update will take. It could be 800, but it could be 1,200. I could also see him pulling an audible and splitting it up if he feels the Sam event + Natalie + Dylan/Ellie will be too big and require too long to develop. We're in uncharted waters at this point.
2. You're 100% right about the days getting longer once the cheating begins. IF we ever get that far, the number of renders required in the buildup for the cheating, and then the sex itself, is going to explode the total number of renders required. It could be that 1,000 renders because the average. But I also imagine that the complexity of the renders is going to grow as well.
3. There's always an excuse, he isn't seeing the same problems we are. I can't help but think that L&P is too close to the game to see the problems. He's brushed aside all of our concerns and recommendations. He probably does think we just want to get faster updates because we're impatient. And yeah, the idea that days with fewer events will be developed more quickly is highly questionable: until he can prove that he can stick to a plan I have no confidence that he won't just pad days with few events with extra renders.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Uh, breaking news everyone: we're already there. If this update blowing up to more than double its planned render count wasn't enough evidence, the fact that there is something called a "Dylan/Emma" coming up should be all the confirmation we need.

I'm holding out until I play this update before I declare that the game is a boondoggle. I'm really trying hard not to prejudge this update because that feels really crappy to both L&P and to the other posters here who are less disgruntled than I am. I will admit that I can't really envision a scenario where I do a 180 on this update and think the five month wait was justified; but I do want to try my best to be fair.

 

[I_Love_Moms]

Does anyone know why L&P doesn't seek external help? If it's because of privacy concerns, he can definitely get an NDA signed. There are much bigger and more confidential projects going on in which external help is sought. So, what really is the problem here?
I don't think money is a problem as you can find freelancers for really cheap nowadays. And since external help will speed up the development, which will lead to more releases and more patreons, it seems like a logical investment.

So I'm not really able to figure out why he doesn't take external help.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Does anyone know why L&P doesn't seek external help? If it's because of privacy concerns, he can definitely get an NDA signed. There are much bigger and more confidential projects going on in which external help is sought. So, what really is the problem here?
I don't think money is a problem as you can find freelancers for really cheap nowadays. And since external help will speed up the development, which will lead to more releases and more patreons, it seems like a logical investment.

So I'm not really able to figure out why he doesn't take external help.

This has been covered extensively here. In short, L&P's stated reason is this: He's "open" to the idea but the standards by which he would measure anyone are impossibly high. L&P is convinced that the time it would take to either train the person and/or to tweak the images to his standards would negate any benefits. Basically, L&P wants full control over the game's development and he hasn't figured out a way to outsource anything. It's a complete dead end at this point to even suggest outside help, he isn't interested.

 

[yedwoo]

maybe late may or early june release time

 

[Panos24]

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very ironic !! Do you think that all the fans of the game have the time and the. opportunity to enter the forum every day and be informed about its progress;

 

[Scarlet56]

very ironic !! Do you think that all the fans of the game have the time and the. opportunity to enter the forum every day and be informed about its progress;

I understand you but if you made the effort to read a few pages of the thread, you would see that there is progress info almost every 2-3 pages.

 

[Bane71]

This has been covered extensively here. In short, L&P's stated reason is this: He's "open" to the idea but the standards by which he would measure anyone are impossibly high. L&P is convinced that the time it would take to either train the person and/or to tweak the images to his standards would negate any benefits. Basically, L&P wants full control over the game's development and he hasn't figured out a way to outsource anything. It's a complete dead end at this point to even suggest outside help, he isn't interested.

Let me disagree with you. I spoke with L&P and I dare say that he is interested in helping. But the fact is that those willing to help are really not qualified enough.
The question of keeping the script secret, as far as I was able to understand, is in second place for him. First, the task is to find competent help and then they will find ways to solve the issue of secrecy.

 

[capt ackerman]

v0.130 released.

AND THEN I WOKE UP!!

 

[I_Love_Moms]

Let me disagree with you. I spoke with L&P and I dare say that he is interested in helping. But the fact is that those willing to help are really not qualified enough.
The question of keeping the script secret, as far as I was able to understand, is in second place for him. First, the task is to find competent help and then they will find ways to solve the issue of secrecy.

I'm pretty sure some of these people are excellent at what they do, as they've been doing it for longer than L&P. I'm not undermining L&P but there's a lot of talent out there if you know how to look for it.

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[Bane71]

I'm pretty sure some of these people are excellent at what they do, as they've been doing it for longer than L&P. I'm not undermining L&P but there's a lot of talent out there if you know how to look for it.

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Without a doubt, there are many talents! But, as far as I understand, L&P is not looking for them, I know for sure that he is considering candidates who have contacted him.
So, of those who turned to him, there are no qualified enough yet.
And with all due respect to the visitors of this forum, I cannot agree with the opinion that L&P should definitely use the farm for rendering.
He considered this option, but the quality that the farm gives out does not satisfy him.

So we have no choice but to hope that someone skilled enough will turn to L&P to help them.

 

[nexer]

I agree that it's impossible right now for us to truly know Patricia's role in the story, but I agree with Poser_Voyeur on his theory. I think it makes a lot more thematic sense for Patricia to be a counter weight to Sophia. I think having Patricia act as someone who will push Sophia, but also restrain her, could make Patricia a very interesting character. It's totally possible that Patricia is just another filthy character that exists for sexy purposes and nothing more. Or maybe she can be either a restraining force on Sophia or corrupted by Sophia depending on the player's decisions. All things are possible with her, but I hope that she has more depth than just another sex partner.

I think Patricia was watching the scene and turned to stop an escalation.

 

[David9sk]

If you mean the home schooling then you have to refuse the 1st job

well thank you for the info

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I'm pretty sure some of these people are excellent at what they do, as they've been doing it for longer than L&P. I'm not undermining L&P but there's a lot of talent out there if you know how to look for it.

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I think the only thing that will satisfy L&P finding or looking for help is an actual clone of himself. Then he would meet his own qualification... Maybe...

 

[Френсис]

Does anyone know why L&P doesn't seek external help? If it's because of privacy concerns, he can definitely get an NDA signed. There are much bigger and more confidential projects going on in which external help is sought. So, what really is the problem here?
I don't think money is a problem as you can find freelancers for really cheap nowadays. And since external help will speed up the development, which will lead to more releases and more patreons, it seems like a logical investment.

So I'm not really able to figure out why he doesn't take external help.

Potamu that moron .. thinks that he will have time, but in fact the drawdown is delayed time ((((

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Quite right, many are waiting.
L&P has laid the foundation for a vast and exciting story. One sadness is that without a team of developers, the development of the game will not only be delayed in time, but will certainly lose in the quality of content and completeness of disclosure of potentially interesting events. One person is physically unable to cope with such a volume of work.

A little higher, the guys discussed the plot associated with the role of Patricia. We can bring up a variety of subjects for discussion regarding various fetishes. But the understanding that the time when we will become witnesses of these events is so far from today, greatly saddens many of us.
After all, we come here in order to receive positive emotions, but a long wait creates an extremely negative background. Here is the dilemma.

Allow me to pass a concept here. In the age of sailing ships (We won't discuss where some sought their diversion.) The Captains and crews were often on multi year voyages. Think Captain James Cook as an example. They were away from loved ones (Wives, family, and mistresses ) for very long periods. Even round trip crossing of the Atlantic took months. There were no Suez or Panama canals. Somehow, they had the patience to persevere. Hmmmmm, maybe we are on HMS Endeavor. We just have not recognized it. For some of you the end of your 4th year in this journey is approaching. Congratulations on that perseverance. Just Sayin'.

 

[Френсис]

I think Patricia was watching the scene and turned to stop an escalation.
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well, and a fool patrician .. I would place her prosda smatrel as etat parin almost ugavaril Sophia for a quick fuck

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Allow me to pass a concept here. In the age of sailing ships (We won't discuss where some sought their diversion.) The Captains and crews were often on multi year voyages. Think Captain James Cook as an example. They were away from loved ones (Wives, family, and mistresses ) for very long periods. Even round trip crossing of the Atlantic took months. There were no Suez or Panama canals. Somehow, they had the patience to persevere. Hmmmmm, maybe we are on HMS Endeavor. We just have not recognized it. For some of you the end of your 4th year in this journey is approaching. Congratulations on that perseverance. Just Sayin'.

It's true about what you say in this statement, but the thing is there is a "Panama and Suez" canal that he can take, but he continues to sail around to the south to reach the open waters. Most of us are trying to guide him to the canals in "Hopes" that he would listen to make his life much easier. But I guess some people like the longer voyage.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

That's why I'm worried that the only outcome for this game is that it will be abandoned. This five month wait is bad enough, but the real problem is that this five month wait portends disaster in the future. I fear that one day L&P is going to start work on a new update and it's just going to be too big, too complicated, too overwhelming, and he'll walk away from the game. This update grew to 1,000 renders, but what happens when an update grows to 1,200 or 1,500, or 2,000 renders? What happens when L&P anticipates needing 1,000 renders, only to realize that he needs 50% more renders, and months more of work to complete an update?

At some point the game is going to become a boondoggle. There will be too many storylines, needing too many renders, all requiring too much time, for an update that will advance the game too little to justify all of the investment. This is exactly the point of diminishing returns I've been screaming about for months.

This is why I've become so vocal in my frustration. It isn't just that this update is taking too long, the real problem is that it's only going to get worse. Without significant changes to the development process, this game won't survive to 2024.

When he started this story, He had chances to reduce the contents to put the novel in a state for one person to handle in the early stages. There was a point that it was starting to happen, but some members were upset about this and told him to remain true to his vision, and those comments started to grow and grow. So eventually, he reverses course and continues to work his novel as he intended, or so he said.

The question is, did the ones that support him to remain true to his vision helped him or hurt him by saying that???? On the one hand, he kept the content in his novel minus the deal/twist to appease his fans against changing it, and the novel remains intact. Still, on the other hand, He's making statements he can't back up, making longer CS/renders, moving preset benchmarks goals, and working longer hours.

IMO the current size of AWAM is too big for him to handle alone and I preferred he trim the fat to keep it at a manageable level and grow out from there as a developer. I was glad to hear that he planned to make "Coach Sophia's Event" DLC vs. adding this to the novel during this cycle. But if he started to edit his story now and, let's say, moved the side jobs to DLC (I would support making the Side jobs DLC), I think he would receive backlash for that choice since we're so far into this novel now. Some of his vocal members that support his vision would probably say that you're not staying true to your vision, and that's why I joined you in the first place.

 

[nexer]

I still think that if the text were complete with dialogue, thoughts, etc., the update interval would normalize.
Dialogue details are the key to reducing the interval between updates. New scenes and lighting are secondary as time consuming.