As I read this I think the "fashion business" should be a celebration for you and a good substitute for the missed Bennet opportunity.
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I just want to know if we get to watch that last line of yours. The 'sure shot' part.
Ultimately, there is no blackmail that is escape proof. It is the blackmailer that makes the choices easier to give in to. If someone is willing to take a certain hit but, forever remove the threat, then the blackmailer loses power.
In Aiden's case the solution is boarding school or later in game talk to her best buddy Morello and have a horse head delivered to Aiden's Uncle. He will get the idea real fast no matter how much he thinks he is a big shot lawyer.
In Bennett's case he will need extensive reconstructive knee surgery.
Sophia will be indebted to Morello and it will be a totally different path of corruption. However. the debt would be hers and the guilt hers. Unlike the situation with Liam where he is doing nada and getting his debt cleared. He does not see a consequence except for a few days stress. Something KillJoys is accurate in pointing out.
However, this is not our game. It is L&P's game and he is driving a different car on a different route and we are just sightseers.
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Your point about the psychological damage in case of sex with other characters is something I totally agree with. It is the reason why I am not sure if including sex scenes with guys like Dylan, Sam, Zac, Aiden is a good decision.
Everyone else wants it but I just feel that if he is writing while trying to stay realistic he will have to account for the consequencs and damage. Sex with Dylan is literally a life ruining choice. It forever changes the mother son relationship, the guilt if taken into account can lead to a dead end of the story. The young boys would not want to stop after just one time and are definitely not mature enough to be able to take a step back.
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I always believe the boarding school is not a "solution" but a "safety measure". ( Now L&P can't make a storyline showing how Aiden is trying to take down Dylan even at the boarding school in order to back his words to Sophia ). The Aiden threat exists even then. Which also makes sense with the fact that L&P gives two separate solutions for Aiden. At task 4 and later at 9. He always mentions 2 solutions to Aiden, not three, meaning he does not include this as a solution.
( Outside game logic, he had to give his players an option to not play the blackmail route as well, so he made the boarding school route, which also helps people who don't like Dylan. )
Stopped playing a couple of years ago. I still visit the thread sometimes but couldn't stand the 'grindfest.' Life's too short & I prefer a story with an element of realism & adult themes, however tenuous.
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Somehow, based on your previous contributions, I expected exactly this answer from you.
L&P shows an unbelievable naivety of Sophia and Liam in dealing with the Mafia. From the narrator's point of view, this could mean he doesn't want to give much importance to the whole Morello Path. As far as the realism of history is concerned by L&P, however, this point of view cannot be understood at all. Not if the Parker family owes 400,000 bucks to Morello. But no matter it's L&P story, there is nothing I can do about it, and maybe something will come.
But at the moment it is completely unclear to me how Sophia finds out that Morello, through his brother, now feels obliged to her. The word "Cumae" was used, but I had to goggle the meaning. How would you react if the most powerful mafia boss calls you and tells you he owes you a favor to ask him for a favor. If at the same time you owe the mob boss a large amount of money. Then on the phone would you say "I have a problem with someone"? Or would you reject everything that the mafia lets back into your life? Actually, it would be incredibly naive and unrealistic to let Sophia get involved with it.
As for the choice between Aiden or Bennett. Aiden threatens your son's life / health and appears to have powerful allies. With Aiden, Sophia thinks she can control the situation. Bennett is a direct threat to your son's future and also to Sophia. In real life, the decision wouldn't be that easy. In this game, the developer made the decision for me by shortening the Bennett route. (Which is not to say that I would have decided otherwise than to set Morello on the repulsive pig Bennet.)
But at the moment it is completely unclear to me how Sophia finds out that Morello, through his brother, now feels obliged to her. The word "Cumae" was used, but I had to goggle the meaning. How would you react if the most powerful mafia boss calls you and tells you he owes you a favor to ask him for a favor. If at the same time you owe the mob boss a large amount of money. Then on the phone would you say "I have a problem with someone"? Or would you reject everything that the mafia lets back into your life? Actually, it would be incredibly naive and unrealistic to let Sophia get involved with it.
As for the choice between Aiden or Bennett. Aiden threatens your son's life / health and appears to have powerful allies. With Aiden, Sophia thinks she can control the situation. Bennett is a direct threat to your son's future and also to Sophia. In real life, the decision wouldn't be that easy. In this game, the developer made the decision for me by shortening the Bennett route. (Which is not to say that I would have decided otherwise than to set Morello on the repulsive pig Bennet.)
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The work on the plot with Natalie is over!
It was relatively fast.
I think if this pace of work continues, we can expect an update by the end of October or the beginning of November.
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What gave you that impression. It's approximately 850 renders at this point.
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Per L&P, the update is supposed to be smaller than the last one. This update contains only four events and the current one has six events.
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1) Nathalie 30%
2) Dylan/Ellie 20%
3) Sam 35%
4) Cathy/Andy 15%
but I wouldn't say it would be smaller. It all depends on his render count. If his render count explodes as it did in v1.30, then this update could be just as large as v1.30 with fewer events.
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Yeah, It's just a fan poll for the most part. If you look at the current poll right now and the previous one, Liam is in the last place in both polls, but he plays a major role in the GW path and more of a filler role in the Filthy path. There will be characters that will have a Major Support Role, and there will be some that are just Filler Support Roles to help with her corruption.
I agree with you.
In real life such a convenient deal would be ridiculous, to the point that maybe Mafia should sue L&P for misrepresenting their category
Even if Don Morello can be considered a "high class" mobster, more business oriented then a violent one, it's difficult to think that a simple prison visit, no matter how far Sophia goes, is enough to free them from the debt or at least a big chunk of it.
Python:
dm "You see, before anything, and everything... I am a businessman. My interests are in solving problems strategically, and efficiently."
dm "So, finishing you off... That wouldn't benefit me at all! It's an antiquated, and stereotypical view of our business."
[...]
dm "The money isn't actually what's important to me here. It's the principle. A man reaps what he sows."
dm "But most of all, it hurts me that such a lovely woman has to suffer under the foolishness of her spouse."
dm "I therefore propose you a special deal... A way to redeem a big part of the debt, and keep your home intact."
[...]
dm "After that, we'll talk about your debts once more. I might even consider freeing you from all of them!"This is for what we know from the story and the small pieces of information from the dev. I'm not digging into other theories that we explored in the past for which, e.g., the gambling was a set up or Liam was already in debt etc.
For what has to come, according to what the dev said (thanks KillJoys ) Larry's points (i.e. how far Sophia went) could matter for the help that she can receive from Morello.
Possibilities are endless and it's difficult to say. L&P seems to suggest that just visiting without giving too much to Larry is enough to get rid of the debt. Probably getting to the cumare status (i.e. without showing the breast and anything after that) will grant the "protection" and the favor to ask. There could be a finer grained set of outcomes based on Larry's point but that will make things more complicated (branches etc)
Again, I agree that it is unrealistic to have such a good deal + "protection" for just a prison visit. The only thing that can make it a more believable is, again, the Family and the particular "honor" system that rules the Mafia world. I think we are again the conditional realism realm or/and we can grant L&P an artistic licence.
As for the choices of asking Morello's help and who should "sleep with the fishes" I see the potential for Sophia to choose between the lesser of the two evils (Morello or deal with Aiden/Bennet alone), as the favor could come with some "strings attached" or at the very least accepting to be part of the "Family" is not a choice that someone (at least in real life) could make with a light heart, once you are in the Family you cannot quit...
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I absolutely agree! Unfortunately, in the story with Don Morello, L&P is too far from reality.I agree with you.
In real life such a convenient deal would be ridiculous, to the point that maybe Mafia should sue L&P for misrepresenting their category
Even if Don Morello can be considered a "high class" mobster, more business oriented then a violent one, it's difficult to think that a simple prison visit, no matter how far Sophia goes, is enough to free them from the debt or at least a big chunk of it.
The only thing that can actually make the story a bit more believable is the "Family" and the high value that it plays in the Mafia world. Since Morello seems not so greedy about money it can make sense that he values the well-being of his family so much to propose the deal (also to keep Larry calm and avoid any temptation in "singing"). Seen from this point of view it's not so out of the world, but still it is quite odd even for the Mafia world.Python:dm "You see, before anything, and everything... I am a businessman. My interests are in solving problems strategically, and efficiently." dm "So, finishing you off... That wouldn't benefit me at all! It's an antiquated, and stereotypical view of our business." [...] dm "The money isn't actually what's important to me here. It's the principle. A man reaps what he sows." dm "But most of all, it hurts me that such a lovely woman has to suffer under the foolishness of her spouse." dm "I therefore propose you a special deal... A way to redeem a big part of the debt, and keep your home intact." [...] dm "After that, we'll talk about your debts once more. I might even consider freeing you from all of them!"
This is for what we know from the story and the small pieces of information from the dev. I'm not digging into other theories that we explored in the past for which the gambling was a set up or Liam was already in debt etc.
For what has to come, according to what the dev said (thanks KillJoys ) Larry's points (i.e. how far Sophia went) could matter for the help that she can receive from Morello.
Possibilities are endless and it's difficult to say. L&P seems to suggest that just visiting without giving too much to Larry is enough to get rid of the debt. Probably getting to the cumare status (i.e. without showing the breast and anything after that) will grant the "protection" and the favor to ask. There could be a finer grained set of outcomes based on Larry's point but that will make things more complicated (branches etc)
Again, I agree that it is unrealistic to have such a good deal + "protection" for just a prison visit. The only thing that can make it a more believable is, again, the Family and the particular "honor" system that rules the Mafia world. I think we are again the conditional realism realm or/and we can grant L&P an artistic licence.
As for the choices of asking Morello's help and who should "sleep with the fishes" I see the potential for Sophia to choose between the lesser of the two evils (Morello or deal with Aiden/Bennet alone), as the favor could come with some "strings attached" or at the very least accepting to be part of the "Family" is not a choice that someone (at least in real life) could make with a light heart, once you are in the Family you cannot quit...
His story is not just far from reality, moreover, it's just comical! This is not a mafia, but some kind of institution of noble maidens.
Either the L&P is completely distant and has no idea about the real relationship with the mafia, or he just smiles.
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I think the whole Morello as an out for either of Sophia's extortionists doesn't hold an ounce of water. This especially doesn't make sense until Sophia/Liam have completely satisfied their debt. This is business, right? Why would Sophia be allowed to open up additional credit lines before satisfying the first line of credit? Doesn't make sense.I agree with you.
In real life such a convenient deal would be ridiculous, to the point that maybe Mafia should sue L&P for misrepresenting their category
Even if Don Morello can be considered a "high class" mobster, more business oriented then a violent one, it's difficult to think that a simple prison visit, no matter how far Sophia goes, is enough to free them from the debt or at least a big chunk of it.
The only thing that can actually make the story a bit more believable is the "Family" and the high value that it plays in the Mafia world. Since Morello seems not so greedy about money it can make sense that he values the well-being of his family so much to propose the deal (also to keep Larry calm and avoid any temptation in "singing"). Seen from this point of view it's not so out of the world, but still it is quite odd even for the Mafia world.Python:dm "You see, before anything, and everything... I am a businessman. My interests are in solving problems strategically, and efficiently." dm "So, finishing you off... That wouldn't benefit me at all! It's an antiquated, and stereotypical view of our business." [...] dm "The money isn't actually what's important to me here. It's the principle. A man reaps what he sows." dm "But most of all, it hurts me that such a lovely woman has to suffer under the foolishness of her spouse." dm "I therefore propose you a special deal... A way to redeem a big part of the debt, and keep your home intact." [...] dm "After that, we'll talk about your debts once more. I might even consider freeing you from all of them!"
This is for what we know from the story and the small pieces of information from the dev. I'm not digging into other theories that we explored in the past for which the gambling was a set up or Liam was already in debt etc.
For what has to come, according to what the dev said (thanks KillJoys ) Larry's points (i.e. how far Sophia went) could matter for the help that she can receive from Morello.
Possibilities are endless and it's difficult to say. L&P seems to suggest that just visiting without giving too much to Larry is enough to get rid of the debt. Probably getting to the cumare status (i.e. without showing the breast and anything after that) will grant the "protection" and the favor to ask. There could be a finer grained set of outcomes based on Larry's point but that will make things more complicated (branches etc)
Again, I agree that it is unrealistic to have such a good deal + "protection" for just a prison visit. The only thing that can make it a more believable is, again, the Family and the particular "honor" system that rules the Mafia world. I think we are again the conditional realism realm or/and we can grant L&P an artistic licence.
As for the choices of asking Morello's help and who should "sleep with the fishes" I see the potential for Sophia to choose between the lesser of the two evils (Morello or deal with Aiden/Bennet alone), as the favor could come with some "strings attached" or at the very least accepting to be part of the "Family" is not a choice that someone (at least in real life) could make with a light heart, once you are in the Family you cannot quit...
If Aiden really is connected in some way, and the cops certainly think that he is, then it seems likely that either,
- Morello intervening with Aiden would cause tension between two different syndicates - even if Morello is the larger and more powerful, he wouldn't want to engage in anything that provokes a competitor as that would upset the status quo. I cannot conceive of how or why Morello would risk tilting the applecart, let alone upending it, to "take care of" Aiden. This is dumb. Sorry gang, it's dumb.
- Aiden's connections are actually a part of Morello's syndicate, in which case he has a lot of sway and ending Aiden's extortion is actually no big deal for him. This is dumb, too. This is a ridiculously contrived convenience and dumbs down the jeopardy of this and every other bit of tension in the entire game. The author will have shown that there is no jeopardy for Sophia, she's got plot armor and the author has no problems waving the deus ex machina wand and sprinkling pixie dust over everyone to make difficult writing situations disappear. That's not dumb, that's lazy.
To provide a service to a debtor who hasn't satisfied their debt and provide a service that, if not rendered, does not in anyway change the probability of the debt being satisfied? Sorry to say, folks, the whole Morello as an out is stupid. It's deus ex machina, it's contrived, it's lazy, and it doesn't even make any sense anyway.
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As nexer pointed out so well, I too think that the place where Sam will be performing will most likely be this one:
The presence of the logo (El Mocandos) immediately hints at the famous Toronto live music venue (
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) where rock bands like U2, Ramones, Rolling Stones etc. have performed over the years so I think the stage will be laid out in this configuration. In addition to this, without disturbing such a sacred place for live music for the performance of a fledgling garage band, I think the presence of the palm tree in the bar's logo is perfect to justify what Sam anticipated during his first guitar lesson to Sophia (...Just one of those bars at the beach).I also think that the stage layout will not deviate much from the one depicted in the image shown above. In fact, I think Sam's show will not be a group performance, but a solo electric guitar performance. This would greatly reduce L&P's involvement in developing the scene (fewer characters involved, fewer renders to produce, less time to waste on any aspect of his work) and would bring the characters presumably starring in it (Sam and Sophia) into focus more quickly.
It would also be more in line with the developer's tendency to lower expectations of this event. In fact, having placed Sam's performance, in temporary order, before Sophia and Liam's visit to Cathy and Andy's house, in my opinion, greatly limits the possible developments of this event.
Therefore, I think that Kevin (the guy in whose garage Sam usually plays) and the other members of Sam's band won't show up (perhaps due to too much stage fright) and that Sam will have to perform alone playing a single song in a nearly deserted venue (given the time of the appointment with Cathy and Andy his event will inevitably take place around 8/9pm). In this rather disappointing atmosphere, Sam should not miss the chance to turn his performance into a serenade to dedicate to the girl of his (wet) dreams that he would like to cum true. To achieve this, he should play a particularly evocative song whose notes evoke a clear and unequivocal message in the heart of his muse: Sophia.
I suggest this song:
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You are overhyping Aiden. Aiden is nowhere near a threat that big, it's a school gang with maybe a few connections with some rowdy adults. And in the other corner is a mafia boss. You really think morello with think twice before giving a school teenager a scare.
Bennett once again is not on the board. He is also a teacher just like Sophia. He might have hidden connections but nothing to do with government on his side. Morello is constantly doing things against the government, does it matter to him to give a phone call. He can give a direct threat to minister and be unscaved, let alone this sleazy bastard. Do you think Bennett is so hell bent on fucking sophia that even after getting a call from a Mafia boss he will fight against him and his entire gang just to "maybe" have a chance that Sophia will agree to have sex.
Helping Sophia is no big deal for Morello, henceforth even Calling it a favour is over exaggerating it. Morello would have done that for Sophia even if she mentioned it to him on the Casino night, Morello was interested in Sophia and helping a woman get rid of a harasser doesn't need to be called a favour to her.
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Since Morello/Larry are loosely based on "The Godfather" film here is a quote
“I’m Gonna Make Him An Offer He Can’t Refuse.”
“I’m Gonna Make Him An Offer He Can’t Refuse.”