VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Kheram]

I believe it’s “eat shit and die”, kind of echoing what I think I’d like to say to Bennett and Aiden.

I wonder if I'm the only one reading this phrase with Duke Nukem voice?

I think his answer can be understood in such a way that alcohol will not play a decisive role, but probably some influence on the situation is possible.

So its down to probability theory, I hope the chance of Sophia doing something while being drunk is lower than a chance of meting a dinosaur. At the same time doing something while pretending to be drunk...

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

I believe it’s “eat shit and die”, kind of echoing what I think I’d like to say to Bennett and Aiden.

I must apologize for my less than courteous response to a post earlier. I tried, within my understanding of the system, to take this to a private conversation. However, the system would never allow it. My apologies for the outburst. I have searched for the name, not to be mentioned (Nih), but apparently all his posts are gone. I feel like Sgt Shulchz from Hogan's Heroes "I see nothing!" I guess that is a good thing.

Thank you all for your patience.

And yes Talcum, you are correct! Delta Hotel

 

[ancienregimele]

Isn't the Bennett storyline canned or gonna be canned due to no one caring?

I'd give it some eyes if he was some fat old dude or it was the principal but its just some jabroni.

Brother in your days of contemplation seek out the many oftimes wasted words I have committed to the written record on this very subject.

People put pressure on the Dev, or something else happened & the Bennett blackmail story was strangled at birth, or rather it was prematurely curtailed. Many who have no problem whatsoever with an inexperienced, some might say disturbed, son fucking his own mother & even perhaps making her pregnant with all the dire consequences which could result & not to underplay two unnatural relationships with a daughter & sister, were outraged at his prescence, posturing, plotting & primal urges.

Blackmail went away, or should I say it was about to go. '??Morality??' had won & all was right with Sophia's world. No degree of consanguinity was too great to prevent the eventual consummation of a 'loving' yet lives wrecking, family breaking, relationship. No detestable coercion from a sleazy chancer could spoil the dream anymore. All of this with nary a word of complaint from me up to that time about the incest, which I heartily detest but which I had never thought of trying to decrease, or belittle for those who think it's a wonderful, taboo-breaking, fantasy fulfilment. This story is, when all's said & done a work of fiction is it not?

Then along came Aiden. It seemed the Dev required a blackmail element after all. Cue a re-run of the wailing & gnashing of teeth. It was at this point that I put fingers to keyboard & began a long-running defence of the blackmail, however mild vanilla the AWAM flavoured version happens to be. [& folks, I sincerely hope it gets much harder for the blackmail haters to tolerate & that very soon]. Common in games & a regular feature in corruption stories as it is, I have never seen such a huge outpouring of indignation against it as occurs on this thread. It seemed to me that there should be some different POVs represented.

All of this does not mean that I wish any long-term damage to the MC. Anyone doubting this can read the misgivings & trepidation that I enunciated upon seeing the romper & the biker bar but again these were worries cast adrift.

Now as you might surmise, given the majority view apparent on this thread, by which I mean those who can be bothered to post, my stance was not likely to win friends & influence people. There's not much I can do about that Good Brother, except agree to disagree. I came to the game as an adult, in the full knowledge that it would contain elements which I could not condone, or even less, be entertained by & I commend this view to all those who deplore my prescence & postings.

So, in the last analysis, I don't really care what anybody thinks about the blackmail or me, because I don't expect to change anyone's views & I certainly won't change mine.

 

[I_Love_Moms]

A glass of wine influenced Sophia to show her areola to Sam. She clearly is sensitive to alcohol.

 

[Hlextor]

Alcohol probably won't play a role.

This is again one of L&P's typical answers to a question that is not a real answer. He writes "probably." I guess it is like Aiden's 3rd task or in the club. We have the choice of whether and probably what alcoholic drink she takes.

 

[kevin19997]

so by this speed we get the new update at ~feb 2022! thats crazy, 1 update per year is amazing.

 

[ancienregimele]

so by this speed we get the new update at ~feb 2022! thats crazy, 1 update per year is amazing.

This is a business plan which wouldn't succeed in many spheres of endeavour but L&P has pulled it off. I almost admire how he gets away with it. Production for most people means deadlines & pressure & more PRESSURE, coming from different directions every single day. Working as your own boss normally brings its' own problems & pressures, as again things have to be delivered within the bounds of quality, quantity, time etc., or there will be consequences. You take work & it becomes a binding contract.

As we all know, the Patreon model doesn't work like that. At present, it's not fit for purpose but what would replace it?

L&P has risen above all that & is able to have an apparent control that most workers would envy. This next bit isn't political but it does originate in British politics, namely that "you must do just enough, to keep just enough people happy for just long enough". That's our Dev. Three cheers for him. I wish I'd been able to do it when I was working.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

update v0.150 does anyone know when will update

not before xmas

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

This is a business plan which wouldn't succeed in many spheres of endeavour but L&P has pulled it off. I almost admire how he gets away with it. Production for most people means deadlines & pressure & more PRESSURE, coming from different directions every single day. Working as your own boss normally brings its' own problems & pressures, as again things have to be delivered within the bounds of quality, quantity, time etc., or there will be consequences. You take work & it becomes a binding contract.

As we all know, the Patreon model doesn't work like that. At present, it's not fit for purpose but what would replace it?

L&P has risen above all that & is able to have an apparent control that most workers would envy. This next bit isn't political but it does originate in British politics, namely that "you must do just enough, to keep just enough people happy for just long enough". That's our Dev. Three cheers for him. I wish I'd been able to do it when I was working.

I believe the answer is simple and he may have stumbled upon it not starting to follow this path initially.

Tell me what you think of this: 1) It is clear at every update there is a surge in patrons that then tapers off as the delay and reality of the delays real impact take hold. 2) The discovery was that he may have a few core supporters that are patrons. However, what he observed was, as each new update pops, he creates a whole new slew of supporters enamored of the story that is available to them and appears to be (from their uninitiated observation) moving forward rapidly. 3) This surge carries him well into the next update cycle and as some drop off others pop in. 4) The pressure to produce is gone since the dependency is not on a core of patrons but on a constantly morphing group that is impressed by the work until they run into the update cycle. 5) In short, I think he is just playing the percentages of the numbers interested in the genre.

What do you think?

 

[BYK370]

any news yet for the latest update? i cant wait for more lesbian actions!

 

[BYK370]

Next update has only one lesbian scene so for the lesbian route not much to look forward to. Though the good part about it is that the Nathalie event does look to be hot. So hopefully it will be able to enamour everybody playing the scene.

better than none then looking forward to it

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

In all the hubbub the last day or two I haven't noticed if we've gotten an update progress report? Are we still looking at something like 60-60-20-0?

 

[Bishop Robert]

Brother in your days of contemplation seek out the many oftimes wasted words I have committed to the written record on this very subject.

People put pressure on the Dev, or something else happened & the Bennett blackmail story was strangled at birth, or rather it was prematurely curtailed. Many who have no problem whatsoever with an inexperienced, some might say disturbed, son fucking his own mother & even perhaps making her pregnant with all the dire consequences which could result & not to underplay two unnatural relationships with a daughter & sister, were outraged at his prescence, posturing, plotting & primal urges.

Blackmail went away, or should I say it was about to go. '??Morality??' had won & all was right with Sophia's world. No degree of consanguinity was too great to prevent the eventual consummation of a 'loving' yet lives wrecking, family breaking, relationship. No detestable coercion from a sleazy chancer could spoil the dream anymore. All of this with nary a word of complaint from me up to that time about the incest, which I heartily detest but which I had never thought of trying to decrease, or belittle for those who think it's a wonderful, taboo-breaking, fantasy fulfilment. This story is, when all's said & done a work of fiction is it not?

Then along came Aiden. It seemed the Dev required a blackmail element after all. Cue a re-run of the wailing & gnashing of teeth. It was at this point that I put fingers to keyboard & began a long-running defence of the blackmail, however mild vanilla the AWAM flavoured version happens to be. [& folks, I sincerely hope it gets much harder for the blackmail haters to tolerate & that very soon]. Common in games & a regular feature in corruption stories as it is, I have never seen such a huge outpouring of indignation against it as occurs on this thread. It seemed to me that there should be some different POVs represented.

All of this does not mean that I wish any long-term damage to the MC. Anyone doubting this can read the misgivings & trepidation that I enunciated upon seeing the romper & the biker bar but again these were worries cast adrift.

Now as you might surmise, given the majority view apparent on this thread, by which I mean those who can be bothered to post, my stance was not likely to win friends & influence people. There's not much I can do about that Good Brother, except agree to disagree. I came to the game as an adult, in the full knowledge that it would contain elements which I could not condone, or even less, be entertained by & I commend this view to all those who deplore my prescence & postings.

So, in the last analysis, I don't really care what anybody thinks about the blackmail or me, because I don't expect to change anyone's views & I certainly won't change mine.

blackmail I don't mind, I just don't care for the character itself.

Don't bring up our One, he can do whatever he pleases.

 

[Bishop Robert]

I imagine alcohol will play in minor roles (like the wine in Sam event, or the art show) but it won't ever lead to anything too sexual.

So we should rule out the chances of drunken BJs or sex. Which is fine, I don't mind it me self but if something like that isn't there then fine.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Brother in your days of contemplation seek out the many oftimes wasted words I have committed to the written record on this very subject.

People put pressure on the Dev, or something else happened & the Bennett blackmail story was strangled at birth, or rather it was prematurely curtailed. Many who have no problem whatsoever with an inexperienced, some might say disturbed, son fucking his own mother & even perhaps making her pregnant with all the dire consequences which could result & not to underplay two unnatural relationships with a daughter & sister, were outraged at his prescence, posturing, plotting & primal urges.

Blackmail went away, or should I say it was about to go. '??Morality??' had won & all was right with Sophia's world. No degree of consanguinity was too great to prevent the eventual consummation of a 'loving' yet lives wrecking, family breaking, relationship. No detestable coercion from a sleazy chancer could spoil the dream anymore. All of this with nary a word of complaint from me up to that time about the incest, which I heartily detest but which I had never thought of trying to decrease, or belittle for those who think it's a wonderful, taboo-breaking, fantasy fulfilment. This story is, when all's said & done a work of fiction is it not?

At this point, readers understand he likes reoccurring themes over multiple events in his novel. If you look at how many blackmail events, most readers would say two or three. Mr. Bennett, Aiden, and Morello (Some readers think it is blackmail, but L&P said it's not.) A couple of years ago, some members on Patreon voiced their concerns about the time production of the novel, and they were very vocal about it. To the point that L&P was considering reducing the number of events, but another group of people chose to step in and support "his vision" (which no one knows what his "vision" is atm.) They supported him vigorously as they were fighting back against the comments to lower the amount of content. L&P saw a large amount of support for this and sided to keep most of his story intact, including the side jobs. Most of the people that sought to lower the amount of content were trying to help him understand that he needed to put it at a manageable level for a novice VN artist to handle since he was a one-person show.

I mentioned this in a post several months ago about did this helped or hurt him. They got what they wanted and kept most of the story intact with the reduced Mr. Bennett storyline. Still, as I said, the flip side is he is working longer, more challenging, continues to miss a self-imposed deadline (which he has stopped giving deadlines out now.), and his members are getting shorter update releases. But there are members who told him they will see it all the way through, as they really support him.

Then along came Aiden. It seemed the Dev required a blackmail element after all. Cue a re-run of the wailing & gnashing of teeth. It was at this point that I put fingers to keyboard & began a long-running defence of the blackmail, however mild vanilla the AWAM flavoured version happens to be. [& folks, I sincerely hope it gets much harder for the blackmail haters to tolerate & that very soon]. Common in games & a regular feature in corruption stories as it is, I have never seen such a huge outpouring of indignation against it as occurs on this thread. It seemed to me that there should be some different POVs represented.

All of this does not mean that I wish any long-term damage to the MC. Anyone doubting this can read the misgivings & trepidation that I enunciated upon seeing the romper & the biker bar but again these were worries cast adrift.

Now as you might surmise, given the majority view apparent on this thread, by which I mean those who can be bothered to post, my stance was not likely to win friends & influence people. There's not much I can do about that Good Brother, except agree to disagree. I came to the game as an adult, in the full knowledge that it would contain elements which I could not condone, or even less, be entertained by & I commend this view to all those who deplore my prescence & postings.

So, in the last analysis, I don't really care what anybody thinks about the blackmail or me, because I don't expect to change anyone's views & I certainly won't change mine.

The author likes multiple themes, which IMO was to make it appealing to many readers. He intended to have a large reader based on making most happy because everyone was getting a "Piece of the Pie." I would have been happy if he did "Trim the fat" of characters and only focus on the ones on the phone list and a hand full of people to help with the filthy/GW path and points as this could have lead to better development with the core class of support character (Phone List), LI, and longer screen time. The hand full of people, i.e. Amber, Alyssa, Julie, Andy, Cathy, could have been used for Lust scenes.

As for your stance on blackmail, I'm not supportive of Dylan's "NTR/Cuckold," as it makes no sense whatsoever. IMO, Liam should be the one getting cuckold in the filthy side of the story, as that makes much more sense. I can only speculate from this that the original Dylan story was never supposed to have the path we have now with him. As other readers hinted at in the forum, it sounds like he was more intuned for cuckold than an LI. "The Twist," before its removal, is an example of this during his conversation with Aiden about a midlife crisis and how he wanted her to feel sexy again, which I guess would be part of the NTR because he would be able to watch, which there are other options too like the trampoline and soccer practice NTR/cuckold choices. I don't even know how that was written in the novel at that point because there were no hints on a mid-life crisis, and how does someone his age knows what a mid-life crisis is? But at the end of the day, I'm glad "The Twist" was removed from the story.

 

[Bane71]

In all the hubbub the last day or two I haven't noticed if we've gotten an update progress report? Are we still looking at something like 60-60-20-0?

Unfortunately, we have not moved for several days. The development process has slowed down significantly.
I would like everything to be fine for him and the work would go faster.
But nothing depends on us.
He may have problems of both a personal and creative nature. Perhaps something is not working out. I don't know what to think, but it's too slow.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Unfortunately, we have not moved for several days. The development process has slowed down significantly.
I would like everything to be fine for him and the work would go faster.
But nothing depends on us.
He may have problems of both a personal and creative nature. Perhaps something is not working out. I don't know what to think, but it's too slow.
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Ouch. Yeah we're looking at December at the absolute earliest. I could see February.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Ouch. Yeah we're looking at December at the absolute earliest. I could see February.

I have said December from the beginning of this update. I believe it is his desire to provide a present to all. The last estimate had the end of November which would set the cycle of release into the holiday season. I see no reason to change my view. It would also allow him, on a personal level, to relax over the holidays vice deal with the consternation a later release would unleash.

This is based on zero actual facts btw. Just pulled from a nether region.

 

[Hlextor]

Unfortunately, we have not moved for several days. The development process has slowed down significantly.
I would like everything to be fine for him and the work would go faster.
But nothing depends on us.
He may have problems of both a personal and creative nature. Perhaps something is not working out. I don't know what to think, but it's too slow.
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Ouch. Yeah we're looking at December at the absolute earliest. I could see February.

I give you a little encouragement! Last update three days ago. He is still planning for late October/early November. The Cathy/Andy event is supposed to be a relatively short part.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I give you a little encouragement! Last update three days ago. He is still planning for late October/early November. The Cathy/Andy event is supposed to be a relatively short part.

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