VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[yihman1]

My biggest complaint about this game if I am going to be totally fair is the massive number of open minor story arcs. This game has more loose ends to keep track of than any other game out there. Many of these arcs have gone untouched for even years as well. I'll give some examples of some early Arcs that have been on the back burners for years:

1) The Movers: Those guys literally sat down and ate breakfast with Sophia and she had a long ass talk with them. Then they were just gone... Never to be seen again.

2) The Museum Guys: Sophia and her sister Patricia literally gave their numbers to these guys. They NEVER called? Are they dead or in the hospital?

3) Pervert Principal: At one point that principal let his finger linger on Sophia's butt crack. That sort of sexual harassment just died off then and there? Unlikely.

4) The Janitor: Dudes sleeping at the school, and Sophia went there to shower once and stared at his black cock. She has given him a dirty look a time or two since then, but that's about it.

5) The Subway Rapists: Those dudes are still on the prowl. That was partially closed when Sophia's sister shot her gun at them and got revenge, but the "Bad ending" version of that is still very much open. Going off of the shit they were talking about before Sophia got the revenge they are dangerous guys.

6) Neil drugged Sophia and tried to have his way with her. That's it? That doesn't go anywhere? That's her neighbor. That's Sam's dad.

7) Aiden has an established girlfriend (Jennifer). She has gotten such a minor role as of now it's a joke.

8) Mr Murray the postman: He has been established as a character, but nothing goes anywhere with him ever.

9) Ellies Friends From Dance Class: She had a few cute girlfriends in there. It's like they should of had a sleepover or stopped or something by now, and also Ellies dance stuff has seemed to hit the back burner as well.

10) Ryan the fitness instructor guy, and the guys at the gym: It just seems like this should have more content than it does.

All these minor open arcs I just pointed out. At least a couple of years old with no progress on any of them in ages. Some of them will surely become.


By a story arc I mean:
1) Build Up,
2) Climax
3) Resolution.

Many are still at point 1.


TL;DR Muh blue balls

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

So like I said before Sophia does change clothes after the concert.
Sophia once hoped that Sam had watched her pleasure herself,could this be the night it finally happens?
Given to me by a patron

explain to me

 

[Old Dog]

As I said, it could only be Andy going away for a few days. Cathy would be here alone. If she is to encounter any problems she would call on Liam or Liam might come to check in on her later and that's where the teasing at the bridal event and whatever happens in this current event could be explored.

More teasing from Cathy( since Liam is not supposed to be cheating on Sophia)so may not cross that line.
Sophia on the other hand could

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

1. The bag can mean a lot of things. Andy and Cathy just moved to the city, maybe they didn't finish unpacking. Maybe one of them has to go on a travel for several days. Maybe it is related to Andy's or Cathy's jobs...
2. To make coffee / bring beers to the guests?

liam brought the bag, there are some clothes inside to try on.

 

[Old Dog]

explain to me

I mentioned that since Sophia/Sam are parked outside there houses after the concert that Sophia may change clothes before heading to Cathy/Andy place.Sophia had hoped that Sam had watched her pleasure herself while sunbathing while he was in the treehouse.Sophia will change clothes and Sam could watch her from his bedroom window(Sophia notices a curtain move in Sam's bedroom).Sophia could pleasure herself while wearing just panties since Sam likes her breasts a lot.
It would make Sam happy and also Sophia happy+ some corruption for her as well.

 

[Old Dog]

liam brought the bag, there are some clothes inside to try on.

I thought Cathy had brought both wedding dresses home with her,if this is your thoughts

 

[nexer]

liam brought the bag, there are some clothes inside to try on.

Yes, there's a good chance this is what happened.

KillJoys thanks

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I mentioned that since Sophia/Sam are parked outside there houses after the concert that Sophia may change clothes before heading to Cathy/Andy place.Sophia had hoped that Sam had watched her pleasure herself while sunbathing while he was in the treehouse.Sophia will change clothes and Sam could watch her from his bedroom window(Sophia notices a curtain move in Sam's bedroom).Sophia could pleasure herself while wearing just panties since Sam likes her breasts a lot.

a ok, so it's your idea? I thought it posse an integral part of the L&P post

 

[yihman1]

I mentioned that since Sophia/Sam are parked outside there houses after the concert that Sophia may change clothes before heading to Cathy/Andy place.Sophia had hoped that Sam had watched her pleasure herself while sunbathing while he was in the treehouse.Sophia will change clothes and Sam could watch her from his bedroom window(Sophia notices a curtain move in Sam's bedroom).Sophia could pleasure herself while wearing just panties since Sam likes her breasts a lot.
It would make Sam happy and also Sophia happy+ some corruption for her as well.

This wouldn't be the only time Sam has watched Sophia masturbating. Remember when she was in her room and left the door open as well.

 

[Old Dog]

a ok, so it's your idea? I thought it posse an integral part of the L&P post

No, this is just my thoughts on what could happen.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I thought Cathy had brought both wedding dresses home with her,if this is your thoughts

it could be other clothes, like a gift or something for after the ceremony, many women change clothes during the wedding

 

[Old Dog]

This wouldn't be the only time Sam has watched Sophia masturbating. Remember when she was in her room and left the door open as well.

I thought that she only stripped down to her panties(with her back to Sam)and mentioned that she left her dildo in the bathroom to scare Sam off.

 

[Sabertooth__]

My biggest complaint about this game if I am going to be totally fair is the massive number of open minor story arcs. This game has more loose ends to keep track of than any other game out there. Many of these arcs have gone untouched for even years as well. I'll give some examples of some early Arcs that have been on the back burners for years:

1) The Movers: Those guys literally sat down and ate breakfast with Sophia and she had a long ass talk with them. Then they were just gone... Never to be seen again.

2) The Museum Guys: Sophia and her sister Patricia literally gave their numbers to these guys. They NEVER called? Are they dead or in the hospital?

3) Pervert Principal: At one point that principal let his finger linger on Sophia's butt crack. That sort of sexual harassment just died off then and there? Unlikely.

4) The Janitor: Dudes sleeping at the school, and Sophia went there to shower once and stared at his black cock. She has given him a dirty look a time or two since then, but that's about it.

5) The Subway Rapists: Those dudes are still on the prowl. That was partially closed when Sophia's sister shot her gun at them and got revenge, but the "Bad ending" version of that is still very much open. Going off of the shit they were talking about before Sophia got the revenge they are dangerous guys.

6) Neil drugged Sophia and tried to have his way with her. That's it? That doesn't go anywhere? That's her neighbor. That's Sam's dad.

7) Aiden has an established girlfriend (Jennifer). She has gotten such a minor role as of now it's a joke.

8) Mr Murray the postman: He has been established as a character, but nothing goes anywhere with him ever.

9) Ellies Friends From Dance Class: She had a few cute girlfriends in there. It's like they should of had a sleepover or stopped or something by now, and also Ellies dance stuff has seemed to hit the back burner as well.

10) Ryan the fitness instructor guy, and the guys at the gym: It just seems like this should have more content than it does.

All these minor open arcs I just pointed out. At least a couple of years old with no progress on any of them in ages. Some of them will surely become.


By a story arc I mean:
1) Build Up,
2) Climax
3) Resolution.

Many are still at point 1.


TL;DR Muh blue balls

I can answer a few

1. Movers are to come back only towards the end of the game.

2.Musuem guys have their event on playable day 14.

3. Principal, well he is not doing much as it is. Sophia already has Aiden, Bennett and Janitor at school, so that would be too much to even give a proper route to the principal. Plus his role has mostly been towards just being there because the school needs a principal and someone Sophia can complain to

4. Janitor too will have a scene later in the game.

5. The thugs are not necessarily freely roaming. You have the option to get them arrested and they are arrested, also the option to take Patricia and the option to do nothing. If you do nothing they will have another scene later on in the game, again mostly towards the end.

6. Neil is very old friend, so most likely she just accepted it as his first mistake and made it clear never to do it again. Plus Neil wasn't liked by the audience much, so he is not going to have anything Major anymore.

7. Do we really need to care about his gf. That's just going way off track. It is similar to thinking excessively about Marie's bf. No one cares about them and they haven't had role, most likely never will. Recently someone mentioned Alyssa ex boyfriend, we don't need to care for these characters.

8. Mr. Murray will have a scene later as well. You have to realise. The story has not come close to it's end.

9. Ellie's friends do appear in the game. Firstly one was there with Julia, now we also have Christine in the next event on Ellie Dylan route. They had a sleepover but at Christine's house. In future who knows there could be one at the Parker's house too.

10. The gym storyline shifted to Vicky,and in that event it was more like a choice. If you don't choose Patricia there, you miss out on the Patricia route, Ellie route, just for that one little scene with the bodybuilders. Plus wanting to see more of them is only your personal choice, I couldn't care less for them.

Frankly this is no point in the story to talk about there being Unresolved plot points and lack of resolved storylines. The story is presently at not even 30-35% of its entirety. It is just way too presumptuous to call the story having loose ends when there's so much still be told.

 

[yihman1]

I thought that she only stripped down to her panties(with her back to Sam)and mentioned that she left the dildo in the bathroom to scare Sam off.

You are right, but it was still him peeping on her. Sam peeps a lot actually there are other instances.

 

[Old Dog]

You are right, but it was still him peeping on her. Sam peeps a lot actually there are other instances.

He does peep a lot but this time he could see her naked breasts and witness Sophia pleasuring herself

 

[itsjasey]

I want to see the game progress with no sex, ending with sophia going to join church and be a nun, and watch the world burn!

 

[Sabertooth__]

More teasing from Cathy( since Liam is not supposed to be cheating on Sophia)so may not cross that line.
Sophia on the other hand could

It could very well also correspond to the point you have mentioned that Sophia will have to win back her husband. The Storyline is also available on the GW route. Cathy could be teasing Liam and even making moves on him. Later at some point Liam too would start to reciprocate and that's when Sophia finds out or suspects this and starts making efforts to bring Liam back. The FW route could have her get annoyed by this and cheat on Liam with Andy or someone else.

 

[nexer]

Let's move on to the main dish

Sophia is invited to the concert when/if Sam has maximum points, no other conditions.
During the concert in relation to Cathy we have two situations (Sophia refuses Aiden's 3rd task or continues) we have a message/call scene from Liam.

The situation where Liam meets Andy/Cathy alone was unrealistic from the start.

If Sophia returns home with Patricia I think Sam's route cools or disappears.

Once home Sophia will change clothes being the same scene for both routes (with or without Aiden).

We can think of two situations: Sophia waits for Liam or she goes alone to Cathy's apartment.

My guess is she will wait for Liam and they will leave together. I say that because this situation gives the possibility of another round between Sophia and Sam. If she leaves alone she would go straight down to the taxi/car, but if she waits for Liam, once dressed she can go out to the backyard waiting for Liam. The situation would limit Sam's hand access to too many of Sophia's assets . The next teaser, depending on how Sophia is dressed, will tell us how far Sam's hand goes.
I say all this under the assumption that L&P will not break Sam's event in two, before Cathy and after Cathy View attachment 1430953
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If Sam's part 2 takes place in the backyard it can also be used for the "dylan_cuckold" route, and Liam can create a situation to L&P's liking: coitus interruptus.

Liam doesn't go straight to Cathy's, he goes home first.
Sophia changes clothes. You have two choices: strip like KillJoys says or go downstairs and wait for Liam in the backyard.

Sophia's clothes, if we have some action in the back of the house this is how Sophia will be dressed and it doesn't give Sam much freedom of movement.

 

[Old Dog]

It could very well also correspond to the point you have mentioned that Sophia will have to win back her husband. The Storyline is also available on the GW route. Cathy could be teasing Liam and even making moves on him. Later at some point Liam too would start to reciprocate and that's when Sophia finds out or suspects this and starts making efforts to bring Liam back. The FW route could have her get annoyed by this and cheat on Liam with Andy or someone else.

Could well be, I only wish that L&P didn't guard the hints like Fort Knock

 

[yihman1]

I can answer a few

1. Movers are to come back only towards the end of the game.

2.Musuem guys have their event on playable day 14.

3. Principal, well he is not doing much as it is. Sophia already has Aiden, Bennett and Janitor at school, so that would be too much to even give a proper route to the principal. Plus his role has mostly been towards just being there because the school needs a principal and someone Sophia can complain to

4. Janitor too will have a scene later in the game.

5. The thugs are not necessarily freely roaming. You have the option to get them arrested and they are arrested, also the option to take Patricia and the option to do nothing. If you do nothing they will have another scene later on in the game, again mostly towards the end.

6. Neil is very old friend, so most likely she just accepted it as his first mistake and made it clear never to do it again. Plus Neil wasn't liked by the audience much, so he is not going to have anything Major anymore.

7. Do we really need to care about his gf. That's just going way off track. It is similar to thinking excessively about Marie's bf. No one cares about them and them haven't had role, most likely never will. Recently someone mentioned Alyssa ex boyfriend, we don't need to care for these characters.

8. Mr. Murray will have a scene later as well. You have to realise. The story has not come close to it's end.

9. Ellie's friends to appear in the game. Firstly one was there with Julia, now we also have Christine in the next event on Ellie Dylan route. They had a sleepover but at Christine's house. In future who knows there could be one at the Parker's house too.

10. The gym storyline shifted to Vicky,and in that event it was more like a choice. If you don't choose Patricia there, you miss out on the Patricia route, Ellie route, just for that one little scene. Plus wanting to see more of them is only your personal choice, I couldn't care less for them.

Frankly this is no point in the story to talk about there being Unresolved plot points and lack of resolved storylines. The story is presently at not even 30-35% of its entirety. It is just way too presumptuous to call the story having loose ends when there's so much still be told.

Right, the problem is though that the minor characters must compete against the major characters for development time, and there is a massive number of them. Think of the Simpsons.

What are the odds of us getting a Mr. Burns, Moe, Apu, Flanders, or Krusty their very own episode when Bart and Lisa are still wanting and very much needing their own episodes? On the one hand, it is world-building and that is great, but at the same time, it takes away from the core characters to some degree.