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Dr.SigmundFap

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Or maybe he didn't out right attack his friends because they are his friends and just wants them to stop disrespecting his mom. It would also have made him into a bully if he started kicking the shit out of Sam because he fell over can't see Sophia taking that very well. Also the martial arts training could have given him a confidance boost. I don't want to beat a dead horse but were the hobos actually drunk? yes they had been drinking but when I played that scene they didn't come of as being drunk just assholes.
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A case can be made for the guy in the black shirt as he has a paper cup drink, but the others on the bench have cans at their feet, and the guy in the white wife-beater is holding a bottle in a brown bag. In the US, when you purchase an alcoholic drink, they have to bag it before it leaves the store. So most people keep the alcohol in the brown bag when drinking it in public, not in a restaurant, bar, or at your home. You can usually drink can beer in public with minor problems, but they're generally in a party/gathering setting with many people.

So with everything seen in the pictures and the text, it can be implied that they are drunk or drinking.
 
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So firstly now that the twist is removed it means that the fight between Dylan and Aiden actually happened that Aiden was actually bullying those students and Dylan actually went to save them. No mal intentions to get Sophia involved now. That's how the events have changed. You don't believe me ask anyone anyone else. reliable on the thread. You're a patron you can directly ask L&P about this and he will tell you the same thing.

Just like you posted Dialogues here, I too can do that from the same event where Sophia acknowledges that Dylan is acting way mature and professional about this shoot and not like a perverted child. Ofcourse he has to have planned for such a thing. No one is calling Dylan a good innocent boy. He thought about asking Sophia for this, it is clear that he is interested in his mom and wants to further their relationship. When Sophia didn't refuse his request he said to himself that it worked.

The Dylan twist has nothing to do here. Since the revelation happens on the boarding school route. In the main Storyline there was no hint given that Dylan is actually lying. The "can't believe it really worked is more about him making this request of a bikini show and it working out and Sophia not refusing him
As L&P once mentioned that removing the twist didn't change anything with the story,which at the time did seem a strange thing to say and the removal of the twist did confuse me at first
 

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I'd be happy if he actually laughs for once while looking at the thread instead of getting angry.

The 4th task to me also feels like it will be limited and will focus more on the solution aspect.
Has he mentioned if the bonus storyline is related with the 4th task. It could be something independent, like something she does after leaving class, discovering a new interest.

I have an assumption about the 2nd job and I would Maybe ask him directly if my assumption is correct. This is the part that gets me interested, whether my assumption of what this storyline will be like is correct or not
As I have said to you before a lot of things in this 2nd side job just don't add up for me.
 
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How I see the two different paths is like a alternate reality. And I believe that's exactly how L&P sees and that's why he says that it doesn't change anything.

In the main Storyline with Dylan, there is actually a fight with Dylan and Aiden is an actual threat. In the boarding school route though the truth is completely different. In this storyline Dylan was lying. Because as we know he had planned something completely different for this route after Sophia finds out Dylan lied to her. The approach would change completely.

Since he was writing the main route without any twist in it from the beginning nothing changed for him. It remains the same Storyline as he originally thought with an actual Aiden blackmail and not a lie
Also he did bring the twist forward as it was not meant to happen at this stage in the game
 

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As I have said to you before a lot of things in this 2nd side job just don't add up for me
I know you don't like it. I also admit that the event was very poorly written, probably one of the worst in terms of writing.

Also he did bring the twist forward as it was not meant to happen at this stage in the game
Didn't know that one. It is just like how in a lot of games with alternate routes.

Eg. Your best friend in one route betrays you and sells you out. In the other route he lays down his life for you. Though the previous scenes and story remains the same there are two alternative paths. If now in such a game the betrayal path is removed, it will not create any problems for the path where he dies for you. That route still stands independently. It's exactly like that here.
 

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I don't understand what is that travel bag doing in first scene. Surely no one was travelling anywhere, none that we know of.
Could it he Andy going somewhere next day. It could be something possible and helpful from a story pov, as if he wants to develop a relationship between Liam and Cathy, it would be easier with Andy gone.

The apartment looks fairly normal and still pretty nice. Like how real homes are.
It's just part of the asset, it's in the same place and everything.


Kudos to the asset's creators.

Aren't those 2 getting married soon? "It's for our honeymoon". That's it, move on with the story.
 

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The Dylan twist has nothing to do here. Since the revelation happens on the boarding school route. In the main Storyline there was no hint given that Dylan is actually lying. The "can't believe it really worked" is more about him making this request of a bikini show and it working out and Sophia not refusing him
Before we knew about the twist, that scene with Aiden/Dylan and Zac looked like they were fighting and shoving. Dylan explains to his mom that they were standing up for another boy. Aiden is pissed because Dylan is meddling in his business and thus starts the tasks with Sophia.
Then came the big awakening and the backstory of the twist was revealed. Dylan has instructed Aiden to give his mother some tasks so she can dress a little more liberally and get away from her "midlife crisis." By the way, no idea how L&P comes up with a midlife crisis for Sophia. There was never any talk of that. Doesn't matter!
After a short outcry from his supporters, the twist itself was deleted. But basically, it is still exists. Only Dylan is no longer responsible for the tasks. It's just that Dylan meddled in Aiden's business and now he's threatening Sophia with the tasks. That's all.

And yes Sabertooth__ ... this sentence "I can´t believe it really worked"...
This phrase is based on the fact that with the help of Aiden, his mother has now come this far. That she herself has put on this sexy swimsuit that looks more like lingerie. Considering that a few days earlier she felt uncomfortable wearing an all covering swimsuit in front of Dylan.... this is a milestone for Dylan. And that was to Aiden's credit.... making her more corrupt for this kind of thing.
 
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Before we knew about the twist, that scene with Aiden/Dylan and Zac looked like they were fighting and shoving. Dylan explains to his mom that they were standing up for another boy. Aiden is pissed because Dylan is meddling in his business and thus starts the tasks with Sophia.
Then came the big awakening and the backstory of the twist was revealed. Dylan has instructed Aiden to give his mother some tasks so she can dress a little more liberally and get away from her "midlife crisis." By the way, no idea how L&P comes up with a midlife crisis for Sophia. There was never any talk of that. Doesn't matter!
After a short outcry from his supporters, the twist itself was deleted. But basically, it is still exists. Only Dylan is no longer responsible for the tasks. It's just that Dylan meddled in Aiden's business and now he's threatening Sophia with the tasks. That's all.

And yes Sabertooth__ ... these sentence "I can´t believe it really worked"...
This phrase is based on the fact that with the help of Aiden, his mother has now come this far. That she herself has put on this sexy swimsuit that looks more like lingerie. Considering that a few days earlier she felt uncomfortable wearing an all covering swimsuit in front of Dylan.... this is a milestone for Dylan. And that was to Aiden's credit.... making her more corrupt for this kind of thing.
Folks call it a "Twist", but it's not really a twist more of a "Betrayal" in my book.

The twist has been removed. It had to be removed.

If it wasn't removed then Dylan would be higher up the psychopath and evil scale than Aiden, and on par with the subway rapists. It turned Dylan from a likable and relatable character to many into a monster.
 

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Folks call it a "Twist", but it's not really a twist more of a "Betrayal" in my book.

The twist has been removed. It had to be removed.

If it wasn't removed then Dylan would be higher up the psychopath and evil scale than Aiden, and on par with the subway rapists. It turned Dylan from a likable and relatable character to many into a monster.
Well said.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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Your best friend in one route betrays you and sells you out. In the other route he lays down his life for you. Though the previous scenes and story remains the same there are two alternative paths. If now in such a game the betrayal path is removed, it will not create any problems for the path where he dies for you. That route still stands independently. It's exactly like that here. Any dialogues now in the story pertains only and only to the events of this one existing storyline and does not have anything to do with the storyline that has been removed. Previously there could be two interpretations of these events, now it only has one. Forcefully trying to tie to the route removed is baseless.
Incorrect, as the story doesn't make sense now. If you read the dialog between Sophia and Alyssa in the coffee shop about Dylan and Zac being bullied, you'll notice that they can't understand it.

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It was stated that there is some dangerous connection by Sophia. The problem here is that Zac is in the same class as Aiden. From a realistic standpoint, are you telling me that Zac didn't know anything about Aiden and he didn't say anything to Dylan about Aiden? I didn't know everyone when I was in school, but I did hear things about people.

The problem here is he should have gone back and proofread the text that could be altered by the change in the story, as the current text was written for "The Twist" arc. So now we have some things in the story that doesn't make sense.

Just because you removed a part of the story doesn't mean the text in that story can stand alone without changes because there could be clues or hints written for that sole purpose and may not make sense if it stands alone now.
 

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And where exactly is it clear that your reasoning is right. Since now the story does not have a trace of the twist. It only means that there is no secret backstory to this. It is a really fight between Dylan a d Aiden.
Ad since now in the story there is no twist. The very assumption that Dylan is referring to Aiden's help is baseless. He even got to see Sophia's breasts just before that bikini event. That too he pulled off on his own. Aiden's task may have liberated her even now but Dylan has no longer any relation to this. His dialogue regarding "yes it worked" is no longer having any relation to this. The twist is no longer in existence in the story so going out of the way to make assumptions to relate it to the story does not make sense.
And I will put this example once again to explain my point clearly

Your best friend in one route betrays you and sells you out. In the other route he lays down his life for you. Though the previous scenes and story remains the same there are two alternative paths. If now in such a game the betrayal path is removed, it will not create any problems for the path where he dies for you. That route still stands independently. It's exactly like that here. Any dialogues now in the story pertains only and only to the events of this one existing storyline and does not have anything to do with the storyline that has been removed. Previously there could be two interpretations of these events, now it only has one. Forcefully trying to tie to the route removed is baseless.
The announcement of the twist was after the bikini show... so this sentence is definitely still from the original twist storyline
 
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