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L&P releases 15min updates (if you dont skip anything) in 5/6 months. He is in fact slower than other developers, and for someone who acts like some perfectionist god, he's one of the worst when it comes to manage his own time/setting up deadlines and the best at failing to meet expectations and being an example of what diminishing returns is.

L&P would maybe do better as a very well paid render artist but he's terrible at managing his own project and we see that a lot in every industry. People that are very good at a specific skill but then poor at everything else.

Edit: and with this space moving fast (jsut compare animations from today to animations from a year ago) I believe that even the very good render quality wont save AWAM from looking dated as an erotic/porn game in a couple of years, in which he'll only advance one more playable day.

edit2: I just noticed you said that he is not slower than BADik's dev. That is ridiculous. Badik puts out like 3/4x more content than AWAM in almost the same amount of time. How can you just lie and expect people who have been here for years to just read it and pretend its true? NLT releases, in your words, 20 min content per month (10m*2), thats 100 minutes of content in the same time that it takes L&P to do 2 events. Let that sink in.
NLT is dedicated & hardworking, putting 16 hours everyday all 7 days of the week ...

Who knows how many hours and days LP works but i doubt its half of wat NLT works ...

LP shouldnt have excuse either as he gets paid enough to only focus on his game..

LP's game is definitely better though cause of the story
 
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He says on his patreon page that, "This is my first game of hopefully many more." However, the way time is lengthening in how the story for this game is coming out I seriously doubt he'll ever get the chance to do another game. That's disappointing as I think he's good at what he does in so far as this story goes. He might have been better served if he had started with small test stories first that didn't take much effort to make solo. That way he would have learned from any mistakes he made in the beginning. Then with 2 or 3 small visual tales under his belt he would have been better served in undertaking this story about Sophia which offers a lot of material that can be branched out from with side characters, minor plots, and main story twists. That's a lot for just one person to do. Or by that time he might have found a few other people he could work with to increase his results.

Just my opinion ...but i think LP would be better if he build the storyline and let someone else work on renders ...

..imagen NLT & LP working together... NLT making the renders and LP creating the storyline... maybe on another universe timeline haha
 

palmtrees89

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Just because I'm bored atm.

AWAM - v0.115 Timeframe (1/3) - Total Renders: 470

First Post - 10.7.20
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Release Post - 12.8.20
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Total Days - v0.115
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Stop Gaps between version 0.115 & 0.130 (Personal, Holidays, Vacations, ETC...)

GFX Issue - Due to upgrading his Graphic Cards.
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AWAM - v0.130 Timeframe (2/3) - Total Renders: 994


First Post - 1.20.21
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Release Post - 6.14.21
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Total Days - v0.130
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Stop Gaps between version 0.130 & 0.150 (Personal, Holidays, Vacations, ETC...)

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AWAM - v0.150 Timeframe (3/3) - Total Renders: 873


First Post - 7.8.21
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Release Post - 11.19.21
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Total Days - v0.150
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Interesting read indeed.

Some individuals might get the wrong idea thinking only time spend on development is what counts, though.

If people were to follow such logic, L&P could go AFK for 5 months, come back and start working on the next update for another 5 months, release it, and I'm sure there'd be some individuals arguing that the update only took him 5 months to complete, when in reality from one update to another 10 months have passed, lol.

That's why I always measure the time required from one update to another (which I think most people do, except for ICSTOR patrons maybe), and fact is from 0.130 to 0.150 it took L&P 5 months and some, incase someone wants to argue that this isn't the case. :p

@Dr.Fapalot This is not addressed to you, I know you've just been bored.
 

palmtrees89

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Just my opinion ...but i think LP would be better if he build the storyline and let someone else work on renders ...

..imagen NLT & LP working together... NLT making the renders and LP creating the storyline... maybe on another universe timeline haha
???

L&P's strength are renders. There's only a handful of artists capable of producing similar/better quality. His storytelling and writing, at least in my opinion, is what other people could do way better. But renders? Nah.
 

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I'm noticing more and more inconsistencies toward the "end" of the actual content.
Like during
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Do you know if L&P usually correct this kind of mistakes with new releases? This is the kind of details which let feel the game is rushed which is kind of ironic when you know the delay between each updates.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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I'm noticing more and more inconsistencies toward the "end" of the actual content.
Like during
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Do you know if L&P usually correct this kind of mistakes with new releases? This is the kind of details which let feel the game is rushed which is kind of ironic when you know the delay between each updates.
I'm going to say yes and no about correcting mistakes. It basically depends if he feels up to it or not.
 

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Who the fuck are you?
Did anyone ask you all these questions?
Why are you replying in strange FAQ style responses? To make it look official?
Why are you answering them as if you know what the fuck is going on?
Did L&P give you these perfect answers?
Are you L&P himself? Or are you one of his PR "helpers"?
Just a little extreme there. Take a chill pill dude. He was straightforward and presented an idea. Ignore or refute. You have 7 AWAM posts in 2 years and you blow up on him. Wow, hissy fit much!
 

GingerSweetGirl

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Just my opinion ...but i think LP would be better if he build the storyline and let someone else work on renders ...

..imagen NLT & LP working together... NLT making the renders and LP creating the storyline... maybe on another universe timeline haha
I think you have this entirely backwards. While he came up with a good concept, L&P's clear strength is in his artwork. He's an ok storyteller, but a great artist.
 

Turret

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I think you have this entirely backwards. While he came up with a good concept, L&P's clear strength is in his artwork. He's an ok storyteller, but a great artist.
I agree with you on this. which is a reason why I am so disappointed about the likely course AWAM will take, if ot something substantial changes in the work speed.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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I think you have this entirely backwards. While he came up with a good concept, L&P's clear strength is in his artwork. He's an ok storyteller, but a great artist.
There's no doubt that his artwork is what keeps his novel afloat right now. And I'll even say some parts of his story aren't bad at all. IMO, Ellie and Sophia's (with some Patricia scenes) arc is currently good but could use some work. There were some parts in the story that may me go, huh? But it wasn't bad as it had a chronological sequence to it, and it made some sense due to the 30 PD he has to develop their relationship.

On the other hand, Sophia and Dylan need work ASAP. That story is terrible right now. And I don't even want to talk about the second side job and how it went from 0-80MPH in 2 seconds or 2 PDs. I don't even know what his thought process was on that.
 

ancienregimele

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I agree with you on this. which is a reason why I am so disappointed about the likely course AWAM will take, if ot something substantial changes in the work speed.
He's shown time & again that he'll never relinquish control of the writing. Renders are great, (otherwise most of us wouldn't be here). Writing varies from bad to very good IMO, so on average is more than acceptable. Like yourself & several others I am very disappointed with the way this VN is heading. There's virtually no chance of any characters being written out, or storylines dropped, or even just wrapped up in the near future. Speed of delivery....no point in talking about this anymore. It's now just a case of hanging on while it lasts.
 

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It's finallly february so new teaser is coming this first week so he can pull some more money from patrons.

What it looks like, from this thread and from the patron page, is that people are finally waking up.
Pair unhappy people with the bs he's pulling on patron and we all know how this will end up. It's a shame but can't say it's undeserved.
 

Turret

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He's shown time & again that he'll never relinquish control of the writing. Renders are great, (otherwise most of us wouldn't be here). Writing varies from bad to very good IMO, so on average is more than acceptable. Like yourself & several others I am very disappointed with the way this VN is heading. There's virtually no chance of any characters being written out, or storylines dropped, or even just wrapped up in the near future. Speed of delivery....no point in talking about this anymore. It's now just a case of hanging on while it lasts.
For AWAM it is unfortunate that we are both right on our arguments! I do not know how L&P cannot see this, that his glacial workspeed will derail everything in the end. and a great eroge will slip into oblivion, just because it´s Dev is thinskinned, hotheaded and completely unable to see that he torpedoes his own great work with how he works.
 
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Is L&P milking his patrons?

No. He could earn more money with updates in shorter times (lower quality) and with more lewd scenes, but that would change his vision of the game. The most of the games with such popularity have more than 3000 patrons.[/SPOILER]
According to your logic, I can attract patrons with initial part of my story and collect their money for long time while delaying the end of the story (i.e., sex) as much as possible. If a patron accuses me of milking, I can shut him up by telling what you just said. How sweet it will be!! :devilish:

Like many other evils, milking can have different forms. He has been financially well-supported for what he loves to do. But he didn't make sufficient effort for the end goal of his work that his supporters want him to do. He looked at best pretentious in that department for the last 4 and half years. Above all, he seems to think that he is not accountable for consequences of his decisions. In the end, its final result will be the same as that from milking. So I disagree with your opinion.
 
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The thing is, I am not being negative to be grumpy or kicking L&P´s mental dog, but because L&P is squandering a really great premise and his art with erratic work(ethic)! Squandering because he is unable to stick even halfway to a schedule. AWAM has big potential and really nice art, but in the end that is for tilt, if he cannot, as he evidences it month for month, year for year, deliver updates and the game in a timely fashion.
We are looking towards unsustainable decades of development with his current speed! I am angry at him as being an author myself too, because I can see his talent and I see which direction the train is taking because L&P sucks at developing AWAM with something approaching functioning work schedules. This game will crash 100% if L&P does not radically change course with his work speed. And that would be a shame, because among eroges, his game is one of the better ones with potential.
But we will never see it fully, because L&P´s main flaws are his thin-skinned hotheadedness and his abyssal work scheduling and speed!
Reminds me of the F35 jet development programme!
 

ancienregimele

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Above all, he seems to think that he is not accountable for consequences of his decisions. In the end, its final result will be the same as that from milking.
That's the root of the problem. He's really only accountable to himself, because he has a sufficient core of paying patrons who appear to be content with ever-decreasing speed, sudden self-imposed distractions, confusing messages & most recently the clear indication that he values the high-end payers more than the rest because of their 'greater loyalty'.

He doesn't need to do more....so he doesn't. It's close to brilliant. I almost admire him for having created this magical niche for himself.
 

Alley_Cat

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I think what L&P means when he says it won't affect the story by having it removed is if you don't send Dylan away Sophia would never have learnt of the twist and the Dylan path moves on, if you do send him away she leaves him at the school as punishment for the twist and removes him from the story almost all together almost the same as no twist but she leaves him there for protection instead.

I think it's your dislike of Dylan and personal head canon that won't let you accept that the twist is gone.
I don't dislike Dylan, I just find his route to be a bore. I've said time and time again that if there was an event that looked interesting enough, I'd possibly reconsider my stance on not playing it. But take Dylan's last event as an example, from what I've seen it's just a rehash of the Patricia scene in the park on PD 5. And Patricia has the advantage of being hot and hilarious.

On the Dylan route, it doesn't help that it's actually Aiden I don't like (well, blackmail in general really). But to continue the route you need to accept his tasks. And if you do send Dylan away, there's a chance of more naked Ellie. And I'd rather see boobs and pussy than dick. Plus Dylan goes to a better school on the boarding school route. One without Bennett, who is just there to sleaze on hot teachers, and because it's a job he can put no effort into.

Also, my reason for wanting to keep the Twist wasn't because it made Dylan look bad, but because I saw great potential for some real character growth, much like we're seeing with Ellie at the moment, actually having a caring relationship with Jules, as opposed to her boyfriends that she discards when they no longer serve her purpose. Yeah, Dylan might have fucked up, but a character struggling to overcome past mistakes is one of my favourite storylines. He might not actually achieve redemption per se, but it would have been great to see him try, and I would have respected him for that.
It doesn't matter if you send Dylan and Zac to boarding school or not. The Twist would be in play because it was the driving force behind the story and in the indirect cause of blackmail by Aiden. We learn of the reason behind it by taking an alternate path. This is why if you want to know the full story, you have to play all the paths and not lock out one because hints and answers are found in other parts of the path.

If you choose not to play all the paths, you're missing critical elements of the overall story.

The manner of how Dylan is acting and the conversation between Sophia and Alyssa in the cafe make absolutely no sense. I said it once, and I'll repeat it; just because you remove one piece of the story because your audience has an adverse reaction to it doesn't mean the story can carry on if you remove one part of that story. He should have gone back and reviewed the storyline after eliminating that piece of the story.
And it's that the story wasn't reworked that has me concerned that the Twist might still be in play. Now that the idea has been put into my head (thanks a fucking lot nexer :mad:), I just can't shake it, as much as I'd like to.
 
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