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Some of you need to learn to ignore each other. Sometimes a conversation gets heated, but apparently many of you can't let anything go. I actually don't think there's that many trolls in here (aside from the obvious bullshit fake accounts), but there are a wide-array of opinions. I often don't agree with Saber, but calling him a troll is absurd since his argument pretty much amounts to "Can't everyone be nicer?". Meanwhile, I usually agree with Viper, but his scorched earth strategy is hard to engage with. With both users I'm capable of reading their posts and moving on without getting triggered into a tirade. This is a basic skillset when using a forum, and yet some of you will beat a dead horse and lose your minds. Just chill, it's a stupid internet forum for a stupid porn game, it isn't worth getting upset over. Even if you "win" the argument, you still end up looking like a loser who gets bent out of shape because of an internet forum.
All that said, I tend to agree with palmtrees89, L&P's statements have been all over the map so there's really no way to know what he's doing. I don't know to what degree it's intentionally misleading, but he's certainly intentionally vague. His already poor communication has gotten substantially worse over the last year. The last really clear post I can remember from him was when he laid out the timeline for the upcoming sex acts. That was a long post with actual detail; and it was great! But as soon as he started to talk about bringing in help his communications broke down. Now we're left piecing together fragmented and contradictory statements. Some of those statements have been public, and some have been from private correspondences, and that creates a tangled web. His public statements tend to be vague and non-committal, so we learn very little from them. But even they have been contradictory. But in private correspondences he tends to elaborate a bit more, and that's where the contradictions become more pronounced.
From where I stand, I sincerely don't know if L&P knows what he's doing. It's one thing to be disorganized, but I'm beginning to wonder if L&P is overwhelmed to the point of paralysis. If he was simply disorganized he'd be slow (and he's always been slow), but I think he could organize his thoughts when he tried. But over the last year, and especially the last few months, his comments strike me as someone that has slipped beyond disorganization and into paralysis. I'm sure he's still making progress...but it's in fits and starts, and I don't know that it's always productive progress. It feels more and more that the project is collapsing because I don't think L&P is able to juggle all of the balls he has in the air. If he was doing well with the juggling, he wouldn't contradict himself so much.
One last thing, shouldn't we know the names of the other people working on the project? If I had signed up to work with L&P, I'd want to get credit for my work. And yet there hasn't been any announcement or public acknowledgement of the people he's brought on. That's tells me one of two things: 1) Either L&P is just a shitty dude who doesn't want to give other people the public acknowledgement and respect they deserve, or 2) He doesn't have anyone actually lined up and is lying. I really, really, hope that it isn't the second one, but the utter confusion around the status of his help raises a bunch of red flags.
All that said, I tend to agree with palmtrees89, L&P's statements have been all over the map so there's really no way to know what he's doing. I don't know to what degree it's intentionally misleading, but he's certainly intentionally vague. His already poor communication has gotten substantially worse over the last year. The last really clear post I can remember from him was when he laid out the timeline for the upcoming sex acts. That was a long post with actual detail; and it was great! But as soon as he started to talk about bringing in help his communications broke down. Now we're left piecing together fragmented and contradictory statements. Some of those statements have been public, and some have been from private correspondences, and that creates a tangled web. His public statements tend to be vague and non-committal, so we learn very little from them. But even they have been contradictory. But in private correspondences he tends to elaborate a bit more, and that's where the contradictions become more pronounced.
From where I stand, I sincerely don't know if L&P knows what he's doing. It's one thing to be disorganized, but I'm beginning to wonder if L&P is overwhelmed to the point of paralysis. If he was simply disorganized he'd be slow (and he's always been slow), but I think he could organize his thoughts when he tried. But over the last year, and especially the last few months, his comments strike me as someone that has slipped beyond disorganization and into paralysis. I'm sure he's still making progress...but it's in fits and starts, and I don't know that it's always productive progress. It feels more and more that the project is collapsing because I don't think L&P is able to juggle all of the balls he has in the air. If he was doing well with the juggling, he wouldn't contradict himself so much.
One last thing, shouldn't we know the names of the other people working on the project? If I had signed up to work with L&P, I'd want to get credit for my work. And yet there hasn't been any announcement or public acknowledgement of the people he's brought on. That's tells me one of two things: 1) Either L&P is just a shitty dude who doesn't want to give other people the public acknowledgement and respect they deserve, or 2) He doesn't have anyone actually lined up and is lying. I really, really, hope that it isn't the second one, but the utter confusion around the status of his help raises a bunch of red flags.
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That's a pretty thorough reply, but somewhat hectic.
You, me and several folks on this thread usually see things under a slightly different angle than our counterparts. However, that doesn't mean they are totally wrong.
There's a thin line between love and hate. Some of his former supporters became zealous critics, others still hold the line. But there's a common ground or a neutral zone here. Most of us are getting fed up with extending development cycles. I vividly recall concerns switching from 1/2 to 1/3 PD per update. All that happening right after it took him 5 months for 0.100. Who would've thought that a 1/3 can take the same time as 1/2, huh? So changing that to a new improved by-event update formula - bruh, spare me.
The dev acts like a grown man-child. That's the reality of the modern world. People got too touchy, extremely offensive to anything. Listening to critique and assumptions, based on nothing, is tough and annoying. That's what defines an adult from a kid - taking accountability for the action, ability to withstand hostility with an open mind, although it's tough af. Here lies the reason of not willing to delegate more of his work - fear, that a stranger simply won't meet his internal standards, thereby changing "assistants" like gloves.
And what's this unique and special secret feature that supposedly elevates AWAM to new heights? Why being so discreet about it? I surely hope it won't be an equivalent of a fart in the puddle, excessive effort with lamentable end results.
We, as an audience, should give him a credit where it's due. Almost no one wishes this game to fail. I disagree with opinion that the upcoming update or this year as a whole may be crucial for the game and his hypothetical burnout. He's making decent money hence abandoning it would be unreasonable. Plus he has his core audience at the Patreon, who determine with their wallets what future holds for the game.
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write directly to L&P, I'm curious about the answer
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A post was made here by a patron stating that he has changed assistants 2 times during this update itself. First one left because of his own work, second one was bad and the third one is currently working with him. So technically there isn't anyone to credit. One first needs to find an assistant that will actually help in the long run and not just use L&P's page as a promotion ground and then leave the next month.
One also has to consider if the artist wants his name mentioned. We have also to see the credits of the game after he has taken in an assistant which can only be seen after the update. So we should wait and see. Also whatever the arrangement is made it will be between the two and it will HAVE TO be satisfying for both or the other person will leave. We really shouldn't bother ourselves with what terms and conditions they agree on to work with each other.
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There are many in close trail to this position. You are likely a leader of note.
Well said. I have been stating many of these concerns now since he announced his 'hires'. I am confident he has no qualms at doing an ICSTOR. Does not take much to evaluate how that was achieved and how it continues (ICSTOR currently has like 5k patrons). The recent delays and obfuscations do not portend a good ending.
- Aug 23, 2020
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Jesus Christ, if this is accurate then it's always something with this game. If he's on his third assistant in less than two months, then something went wrong in the hiring process. How is it that nothing, NOTHING, ever goes according to plan for L&P?
Sometimes I think this game is successful despite L&P, and not because of him.
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My first concerns about the game are from almost 4 years.
Now reading my old posts I was so naive to believe we will get first kiss Sophia/Elly,Sophia/Dylan and Sophia/Sam just one year after the start of the game.It took 4 years for Sam.And I can even imagine how much more will take for Dylan.
At the end of 2018 I was sure there is no way to finish the game in 4 years what was the claim.Or even in 6-7.
And some people still owes me an apology.
Searching for the right person is a long process and it takes experience to make the right choice. L&P got a late start on the search and it's likely to be the second job for the helper found. So a few hours a day.
And one more thing, you have to be really good to pick someone worthy. And L&P didn't know much about Blender.
And one more thing, you have to be really good to pick someone worthy. And L&P didn't know much about Blender.
- Aug 9, 2017
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the good thing is if we all hit the age of 70+, we finally see Sophia getting fucked or even more and die in peace + as happy mans and/or womans!
The best one to help him is ( monna_haddid) . Please see his work on Instagram. I don't know him but he looks brilliant
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Yeah - there are some people I don't always agree with but they frame their points in a measured reasoned way and so will take the time to read what they say - sometimes they might change my mind if I understand their viewpoint. But too many make their points either in a childish way or continually repeat the same points over and over - thankfully we have the IGNORE button for those.
I often don't understand L&P's often cryptic public pronuncements - some of it may be down to language difference, some down to his poor communication skills, and maybe sometimes down to him being deliberately vague. I don't know what is this great new addition that he is so quick to trumpet - if it is animation then I prsonally don't see the point until he has sex scenes to animate. I would rather him just crack on and get basic rendering and story done. But if he is belatedly responding to his Patreon's wishes then fair enough.
I have (barely) enough faith and goodwill in him to give him the benefit of the doubt this release. But that is very much dependant on him cranking out the following release in just four weeks. If he can't get a short update done in 4 weeks, then given that some scenes will be ineviatbly be longer and more complex, if he can't hit a short update in 4 weeks then we won't get a full Playable Day out within a year.
That has to be the MINIMUM he achieves going forward unless these 12 Playable Days will take more than a decade to produce, or more realitically lead to abandonment part way through.
On his assistant, for now I will give him the beenfit of the doubt. As yet the assistant has nt produced anything tangible for us to see. Hopefully it will be as good as L&P is suggesting, ut I have learnt the hard way that what L&P regards as "hot" does nt always mean that I agree with his definition.....
- Aug 23, 2020
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Sure it is, and sometimes shit happens, but certainly the situation is not ideal. The first guy leaving is bad enough, but alone it could be bad luck, but the second guy is a problem. If it's accurate that the second assistant was let go/fired/whatever because he wasn't skilled enough, then that is something L&P should have known from the beginning. So he wasted more time, and is now on his third assistant in less than two months; that's a bad look.
But it really wouldn't be a big deal, except for the fact that whatever these assistants are working on is vital to the next release. That means L&P is learning in real-time while it's also directly delaying the next release. That's just really poor time management. All of these growing pains that should be worked out behind the scenes, in a low-pressure environment, have instead been pushed to forefront. If this new feature is critical for the update, then he should have been working on it and building his team months ago; otherwise he should have delayed its implementation until a later update.
It's just a bad situation overall.
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Well, it could be one of two possibilities. Either all the assistants he's hired so far were just terrible people to work for, or L&P is just terrible to work for. Maybe a little of both? Who knows? You're right though, having to go through this now is bad for the game. Better if he had established some hired hands before he tackled this VN. That way all the kinks could have been worked out and everybody would be on the same page in knowing what to do in producing the desired outcome levels.
I know it's not fair to compare this game to DIK, but I can't help wondering what could have been if he just started small before taking on a bigger game like Dr. Pink did. Pink produces only one update for the game per year with DIK, but that update contains so much work, detail, effort and replayability that people literally don't mind getting just that one update a year. There was a good possibility L&P could have been on that level if he had just started with a smaller project first.
The only plausible explanation would be that he was thinking of a different dynamic for the event but the result was not satisfactory. He realised late that DAZ was not enough.
However, he still had to use something else besides DAZ sooner or later.
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