VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I think thes lasts updates are coming faster in time, good job to the dev.

The dev is getting slower and slower and slower..

 

[ancienregimele]

I would Simply askthis one question to every single "Fan" of Awam. If this man's work style frustrates you, why do you come here everyday to follow it. These are just masochistic tendencies.

That's an easy answer, from my own perspective, I visit to see what other "fans" are saying. I expect nothing from L&P in the way of interaction because he clearly appreciates the fact that he owes nothing to the likes of me, i.e. pirates. That's an issue that doesn't stop some other Devs from discussing the finer points of their games with such knaves but that's their choice.

Things here would be very different if the Dev even came close to doing what he says. Imagine if this forthcoming update had been released nearer to the original schedule & I'm not talking about 1 month after the last one. This discussion would have been buzzing with comments about it & with speculation for the next event. Yes, there would have been negative as well as positive critiques but that's only to be expected with any creative work.

Any change for the better in the pace of delivery would mean less time for talk of development & more discussion of developmentS in the storylines. I've never heaped abuse on the Dev but I've certainly criticised his decisions. Much negative criticism could be avoided, IMO, if communication was better. No, I don't expect L&P to communicate here on F95. Those days are gone. I'm talking about his patrons, messages to whom would probably filter onto this thread. This would involve more openness & transparency, e.g. if suffering from writer's block, just say so & that there will be a delay. I am no longer able to have faith in what he says but that hasn't stopped me liking the game because of its' quality.

At the end of the day it could be said that, "it is what it is" but what's stopping it from getting better, a few harsh criticisms, the Dev himself, both? What if criticism greatly increased, maybe decreased, ceased altogether, or stayed the same. Would anything make any difference?

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

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Is it possible to release the update once you have it finished then do a second update once the “add on is done” ?

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No, because this would destroy everything! You need to play this scene in its full dimension otherwise the suspense is broken. What I planned is like the essence of this scene without which it won't work.

0.155 will not be released until the addon is done! L&P said that he will be ready with HIS part of update somwhere in a mid February, but the addon depends of a helper and just 30% of work are L&P's share. So, be patient!

This is ridiculous. How can an add-on for a scene of 1/10 of a playable day take 2 months to make?
Does he think anyone believes this?

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

And I think he is forgetting something, if he does add DRM, it would piss a lot of people off. What's to stop those people from reporting this game to patreon? He is breaking TOS, pretty badly at that. Providing a fake game on the page, incest content, blackmail content, shota content. He'd get banned.

When your own patrons want to report you out of spite for the shit you constantly pull, you don't even need to worry about the pirates. If this game update doesn't come out before the end of the month I have a very strong reason to believe that's the straw that's going to break the camel's back.

edit: any word on the amount of renders and why he's only doing 15% of them everyday?

 

[Alley_Cat]

That's an easy answer, from my own perspective, I visit to see what other "fans" are saying. I expect nothing from L&P in the way of interaction because he clearly appreciates the fact that he owes nothing to the likes of me, i.e. pirates. That's an issue that doesn't stop some other Devs from discussing the finer points of their games with such knaves but that's their choice.

Things here would be very different if the Dev even came close to doing what he says. Imagine if this forthcoming update had been released nearer to the original schedule & I'm not talking about 1 month after the last one. This discussion would have been buzzing with comments about it & with speculation for the next event. Yes, there would have been negative as well as positive critiques but that's only to be expected with any creative work.

Any change for the better in the pace of delivery would mean less time for talk of development & more discussion of developmentS in the storylines. I've never heaped abuse on the Dev but I've certainly criticised his decisions. Much negative criticism could be avoided, IMO, if communication was better. No, I don't expect L&P to communicate here on F95. Those days are gone. I'm talking about his patrons, messages to whom would probably filter onto this thread. This would involve more openness & transparency, e.g. if suffering from writer's block, just say so & that there will be a delay. I am no longer able to have faith in what he says but that hasn't stopped me liking the game because of its' quality.

At the end of the day it could be said that, "it is what it is" but what's stopping it from getting better, a few harsh criticisms, the Dev himself, both? What if criticism greatly increased, maybe decreased, ceased altogether, or stayed the same. Would anything make any difference?

The latest update from another dev I had supported is now a few months late and has, now that I think about it, more or less said that he was going through some things and didn't feel up to working on the game.

But he's been very communicative here (and even a little self-deprecating), so I have no problems supporting him again once a revised release date for the new update is set.

Just wish L&P was like that.

 

[Sabertooth__]

That's an easy answer, from my own perspective, I visit to see what other "fans" are saying. I expect nothing from L&P in the way of interaction because he clearly appreciates the fact that he owes nothing to the likes of me, i.e. pirates. That's an issue that doesn't stop some other Devs from discussing the finer points of their games with such knaves but that's their choice.

Things here would be very different if the Dev even came close to doing what he says. Imagine if this forthcoming update had been released nearer to the original schedule & I'm not talking about 1 month after the last one. This discussion would have been buzzing with comments about it & with speculation for the next event. Yes, there would have been negative as well as positive critiques but that's only to be expected with any creative work.

Any change for the better in the pace of delivery would mean less time for talk of development & more discussion of developmentS in the storylines. I've never heaped abuse on the Dev but I've certainly criticised his decisions. Much negative criticism could be avoided, IMO, if communication was better. No, I don't expect L&P to communicate here on F95. Those days are gone. I'm talking about his patrons, messages to whom would probably filter onto this thread. This would involve more openness & transparency, e.g. if suffering from writer's block, just say so & that there will be a delay. I am no longer able to have faith in what he says but that hasn't stopped me liking the game because of its' quality.

At the end of the day it could be said that, "it is what it is" but what's stopping it from getting better, a few harsh criticisms, the Dev himself, both? What if criticism greatly increased, maybe decreased, ceased altogether, or stayed the same. Would anything make any difference?

I don't count you in those "fans", you, GingerSweetGirl KillJoys , you are all not trusting his words and rightly so because he hasn't done anything to gain the trust. I don't trust the fact the next update will be out in 4-5 weeks after this one either. But do any of you whine on the thread everyday about this. You all State your criticisms in a respectful manner. Not resorting to abuses, name calling, taunting and I have nothing against them as there is no hostility in them.

Compare your statements to the "Fans" of this game and you'll see what I am talking about. I am against these abuses and name calling, not against criticising.

You guys are dicontent, so am I, but not to extent that we will cry here everyday. We see the scenario, we move on. My question is hence aimed at those people who get So Frustrated with this that they HAVE TO comment on it EVERYDAY and yet come back to torture themselves with same thing. And its not like they are spreading any positivity. So why torture oneself with this everyday.
And I would understand if such self torture would actually have a goal. This is aimless. What are they trying to achieve by saying it everyday.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Go check his patreon if you want to see his words so terribly bad, i actually was patroned to him for some time but i don't particularly feel like giving you the satisfaction, troll. The posts exist an d it was already posted in this thread thousands of pages back over a year ago. It's why i told you to search the thread with the single word DRM. You chose not to do that, that's on you. Maybe stop being a cunt and people will respond better to you. That seems to be your modus operandi around this thread. You keep polishing him off though. It's not going to get you anywhere other than to look like a complete fool to everyone else in this thread. That said, it doesn't really matter to me cause you're going where you belong, on my ignore list like the punk you are.

No evidence, just blabbering. Bye

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Don't play games. I caught you with the bs and you back pedal.

The irony in you using the word "touchy".

And no, its not.

With all the drama here, as many have noted, I always found you (Except for your bizarre Dylan like ) very reasoned and non confrontational. The same was true with Mr Bill. Not sure what has happened but, he chose you, of all posters, to actually accuse of being a hater. I just am not getting it.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Yes, still projecting 2/24 to reach 4x100%, but there's no accounting for all this "addon" nonesense and confusion.

A new addition to the Festival?

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

If he adds DRM, someone will crack it pretty easily. Other developers have put in "patron" only content and codes into games, and they got cracked too. This is a Renpy game, anyone can look into the code.

And I think he is forgetting something, if he does add DRM, it would piss a lot of people off. What's to stop those people from reporting this game to patreon? He is breaking TOS, pretty badly at that. Providing a fake game on the page, incest content, blackmail content, shota content. He'd get banned.

This is a classic "don't bite the hand that feeds you" situation LP wades into if he adds DRM. He needs to get over piracy. Runey, who is a much bigger developer than LP is, is an active and very friendly user here. Other developers who also dislike piracy post here too and are friendly. Meanwhile, LP keeps shooting himself in the foot and being antagonistic towards his main source of fans. People downloading the game on this site.

So true. He has 2 TOS violations. 1. He is hosting a variation of his DOL game elsewhere that Violates the TOS for the incest or Shota. 2. He is hosting elsewhere to avoid TOS. Either gets him in an issue with Patreon. Both likely gets him canned.

This whole issue goes away if he transitions to Subscribestar. He could do it with some effort but, that requires communication and some management skills. Oooops!

 

[jamdan]

No evidence, just blabbering. Bye

This may be it. LP, in his first post about the new chapter, said he is going to make it so you can download the game update via the menu.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-150-lust-passion.5944/post-7009629

• You will be able to update the game via the menu so that you don't need to download the entire game over and over. The game automatically will download just the new content for you.

And this person originally mentioned DRM, as far as I can tell. This conversation has been going on for the past couple months.
https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-150-lust-passion.5944/post-7177272

I will give you we have no definitive proof he is adding real DRM, but he obviously wouldn't want non-patreons to be able to download the updates via the menu. So there has to be some sort of verification. But regardless, it doesn't matter. If he tries to do anything, someone will crack it. So this entire thing is a moot point.

And my personal assumption is this is that "add on" he is talking about. Unless the "special thing" and "add on" are somehow the same thing. Which wouldn't make sense.

 

[roro]

Go check his patreon if you want to see his words so terribly bad, i actually was patroned to him for some time but i don't particularly feel like giving you the satisfaction, troll. The posts exist and it was already posted in this thread thousands of pages back over a year ago. It's why i told you to search the thread with the single word DRM. You chose not to do that, that's on you. Maybe stop being a cunt and people will respond better to you. That seems to be your modus operandi around this thread. You keep polishing him off though. It's not going to get you anywhere other than to look like a complete fool to everyone else in this thread. That said, it doesn't really matter to me cause you're going where you belong, on my ignore list like the punk you are.

But Sabertooth is right (and hasn't been hostile to you as you are to him). L&P never talked about drm. This talking about drm is all made up here. The dev stated he's adding a feature so his Patreons can download the new and updated files only and in a semi-automatic way. He very well know it can't and won't stop piracy, because all that is needed to do is pack the VN's folder and upload it here.

 

[bluehound36]

But Sabertooth is right (and hasn't been hostile to you as you are to him)

Bullshit. Do not defend the troll. I offered him the chance to look up something under his OWN FACULTIES as a human being. He chose not to do that. Anyone can type words into the search engine on this forum and find exactly what they are looking for 9 times out of 10. It does not take a genius to do that. I was polite in that regard. He decided to behave like a cunt like he has been towards others for several pages now. I do NOT tolerate trolls. Sod off.

 

[Bibifoc]

Again this DRM thing... OMG the overthinking/fantasizing never ends on this topic...

 

[sept0342]

Bullshit. Do not defend the troll. I offered him the chance to look up something under his OWN FACULTIES as a human being. He chose not to do that. Anyone can type words into the search engine on this forum and find exactly what they are looking for 9 times out of 10. It does not take a genius to do that. I was polite in that regard. He decided to behave like a cunt like he has been towards others for several pages now. I do NOT tolerate trolls. Sod off.

When you just don't have evidence for what you say, the alternative is trash talk. All the DRM entries are of recent date and of course never mentioned by the dev, so how about if you just chill, this thread has enough trolls already.

 

[palmtrees89]

DRM, no DRM, I don't think that's even important right now. What I find frustrating is that, as always, L&P can't follow up on things he said, making all kinds of weird and confusing statements about this new feature, development progress, reason for delays and whatnot. Like, if we were to line-up all of the statements and patreon posts from L&P regarding this update, no human being with a couple working braincells could come here and be like; "Yup, that makes total sense! I trust the guy!".

Seriously, check his early posts and compare them with his latest statements. Anyone who thinks this makes any sense has lost some of their marbles. I don't know what the fuck he's doing, but what I do know is that it smells like bullshit.

Remember when he said in the beginning that the development might have to stop for a little while for this "special feature", and how it wouldn't have to be for long? How does that make any sense with what's happening right now?

Remember when L&P said he's found several highly skilled artists to work with, one of them possibly able to help with scene creation in the future (but not in DAZ)? That he was still missing someone for the "last part"? And now he's suddenly only has 1 helper, and according to a post from a patron a couple pages back, he's already replaced that guy 3 times? I personally don't believe for a second that he's got a helper at all. What was the request on F95 about? Why would he need someone to explain how to import/export stuff to Blender etc. when he's got several highly skilled artists at hand? Ones who apparently work with Blender.

Remember when there were screenshots of patrons asking for what's the deal with this new feature, being worried about development time and whatnot? And how L&P said he'd have to do it "now" because it would already be visible in the upcoming release, and that people would be so fucking thankful and appreciative, asking for a "little patience"?

Remember when he said he had to wait on his "helper" to continue his work on this update? And now he can somehow start working on the next update while this "helper" is still working on the "special feature"? What stopped him from working on this update if the new feature is apparently a somewhat stand-alone thing that can be worked on while L&P already moves on to the next update? Are you telling me that an animation or two takes several months to make? There's no way, especially not when the update is supposedly short.

I could keep going for another 10 paragraphs, but then someone might start crying about me making lenghty posts. Anyway, you get the point.

It's not like I enjoy criticizing L&P, thing is that there's not much else to do with all the bullshit he's pulling off. I'd much prefer discussing the game. If L&P for once were able to do what he tells us, we could've possibly already have update 2/10. But no, we're only looking at never ending bullshit instead.

Cheers

 

[bluehound36]

When you just don't have evidence for what you say, the alternative is trash talk.

Ah the trolls do love to come out and defend one another once one has been called to task. The evidence exists. The post is over on his patreon from LAST YEAR! It was posted HERE as well. All it takes to locate that is to go over to his patreon and become a patron and start searching through his posts. Or, one can just type in what i said can be typed into the search engine for this thread. DRM. The posts discussing it WILL come up and a few people even posted up some of the posts from L&P's patreon about it thousands of pages back from LAST FUCKING YEAR! How many times must i reiterate that for the stupid? Endlessly it would seem but i'm not going to any further. Ignore list is going to be the standard response to any further trolls about this. Ya'll need to find something better to do with your lives, like go get a girlfriend maybe.

 

[sept0342]

Ah the trolls do love to come out and defend one another once one has been called to task. The evidence exists. The post is over on his patreon from LAST YEAR! It was posted HERE as well. All it takes to locate that is to go over to his patreon and become a patron and start searching through his posts. Or, one can just type in what i said can be typed into the search engine for this thread. DRM. The posts discussing it WILL come up and a few people even posted up some of the posts from L&P's patreon about it thousands of pages back from LAST FUCKING YEAR! How many times must i reiterate that for the stupid? Endlessly it would seem but i'm not going to any further. Ignore list is going to be the standard response to any further trolls about this. Ya'll need to find something better to do with your lives, like go get a girlfriend maybe.

You create your own reality and accept it is true lol. Everything you said is false. The term DRM has only 2 pages and all posts are wishful thinking from users. If I'm wrong just show me.

One last tip of advice, please use the enter key.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

DRM, no DRM, I don't think that's even important right now. What I find frustrating is that, as always, L&P can't follow up on things he said, making all kinds of weird and confusing statements about this new feature, development progress, reason for delays and whatnot. Like, if we were to line-up all of the statements and patreon posts from L&P regarding this update, no human being with a couple working braincells could come here and be like; "Yup, that makes total sense! I trust the guy!".

Seriously, check his early posts and compare them with his latest statements. Anyone who thinks this makes any sense has lost some of their marbles. I don't know what the fuck he's doing, but what I do know is that it smells like bullshit.

Remember when he said in the beginning that the development might have to stop for a little while for this "special feature", and how it wouldn't have to be for long? How does that make any sense with what's happening right now?

Remember when L&P said he's found several highly skilled artists to work with, one of them possibly able to help with scene creation in the future (but not in DAZ)? That he was still missing someone for the "last part"? And now he's suddenly only has 1 helper, and according to a post from a patron a couple pages back, he's already replaced that guy 3 times? I personally don't believe for a second that he's got a helper at all. What was the request on F95 about? Why would he need someone to explain how to import/export stuff to Blender etc. when he's got several highly skilled artists at hand? Ones who apparently work with Blender.

Remember when there were screenshots of patrons asking for what's the deal with this new feature, being worried about development time and whatnot? And how L&P said he'd have to do it "now" because it would already be visible in the upcoming release, and that people would be so fucking thankful and appreciative, asking for a "little patience"?

Remember when he said he had to wait on his "helper" to continue his work on this update? And now he can somehow start working on the next update while this "helper" is still working on the "special feature"? What stopped him from working on this update if the new feature is apparently a somewhat stand-alone thing that can be worked on while L&P already moves on to the next update? Are you telling me that an animation or two takes several months to make? There's no way, especially not when the update is supposedly short.

I could keep going for another 10 paragraphs, but then someone might start crying about me making lenghty posts. Anyway, you get the point.

It's not like I enjoy criticizing L&P, thing is that there's not much else to do with all the bullshit he's pulling off. I'd much prefer discussing the game. If L&P for once were able to do what he tells us, we could've possibly already have update 2/10. But no, we're only looking at never ending bullshit instead.

Cheers

 

[Sabertooth__]

This may be it. LP, in his first post about the new chapter, said he is going to make it so you can download the game update via the menu.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-150-lust-passion.5944/post-7009629



And this person originally mentioned DRM, as far as I can tell. This conversation has been going on for the past couple months.
https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-150-lust-passion.5944/post-7177272

I will give you we have no definitive proof he is adding real DRM, but he obviously wouldn't want non-patreons to be able to download the updates via the menu. So there has to be some sort of verification. But regardless, it doesn't matter. If he tries to do anything, someone will crack it. So this entire thing is a moot point.

And my personal assumption is this is that "add on" he is talking about. Unless the "special thing" and "add on" are somehow the same thing. Which wouldn't make sense.

Exactly. He has mentioned about updating from within the menu. And that is something most games are doing nowadays. Like Fashion Business of Decentmonkey has been doing it for a while now. I face no issues, infact no one does. Because there is always the full version of the app to download. I can't update through the menu because you need to be a patron for that. And that might be what L&P is doing.

The add-on is the special thing he has been talking about. This helper if his is handling the add-on. The person we know of is a blender expert. Why would he hire a blender expert for adding DRM.

And further in another post shared by a patron L&P said you need the add-on to completely experience the scene in it's best. How will DRM contribute to that. He could easily release one more update without DRM and then add it from the next update. But he necessarily needs to put this thing with scene to complete the scene in it's entirety.

Hence why I have said that this add-on is not DRM. He could be planning that, who knows, behind the scenes. But as of now no evidence of that.