VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

I agree with the second part.
I don't have a photographic memory but I don't recall serious criticism ever being leveled at L&P just for not having animations. My impression is that generally speaking, it was a comparative critique, not a critique of the game/story itself. I don't think that the lack of animations was brought up in the context of "why doesn't L&P have animations!?" - it was brough up to illustrate just how friggin slow his production is, that several other devs put out more renders AND animations AND features in the same or less time than he does.

I think the criticism for not having animations goes hand in hand with there being no sex scenes yet with Sophia. After all, there's little point in having animations without anything worth animating. And so far, much of the ridicule about the current inclusion of animations (although there are already a few in-game), is that it just appears to be an excuse to delay the release of the update.

If it were a Dylan or Sam event in the upcoming update, with the possibility of Sophia giving one of them a hj or bj (as a reward for all the patience they've had to have and the points they've had to invest over the years), instead of it being Jennifer who we don't really have a reason to care about yet, I imagine there'd be a lot more excitement and a lot less ridicule.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I tend to agree, I don't remember the lack of animations being a serious source of criticism. It has definitely been mentioned, and maybe some troll accounts harped on it, but for the most part it has been on the periphery of the conversation. People just want faster updates, that's really the only consistent demand.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I agree with the second part.
I don't have a photographic memory but I don't recall serious criticism ever being leveled at L&P just for not having animations. My impression is that generally speaking, it was a comparative critique, not a critique of the game/story itself. I don't think that the lack of animations was brought up in the context of "why doesn't L&P have animations!?" - it was brough up to illustrate just how friggin slow his production is, that several other devs put out more renders AND animations AND features in the same or less time than he does.

When the game was being compared to BaDik, that's when it was ridiculed for not having animations, people saying every game nowadays has animations, some saying all this game is, Is just wallpapers. People said this game is outdated since games nowadays are doing voice acting too but L&P doesn't even have animations.
And then a good mockery was made of the Jogging scene animation. The criticism was not less.
So since those animations weren't satisfying to most, here you go, he is going all out on animations now. Animations which from his statements seem to be ones which has moving camera angles. I imagine it being something like Fashion Business's animations but more like in L&P level quality.

And still I don't identify this as the root cause. The Real Cause is most definitely the changing times.

 

[hzjujk]

I agree with the second part.
I don't have a photographic memory but I don't recall serious criticism ever being leveled at L&P just for not having animations. My impression is that generally speaking, it was a comparative critique, not a critique of the game/story itself. I don't think that the lack of animations was brought up in the context of "why doesn't L&P have animations!?" - it was brough up to illustrate just how friggin slow his production is, that several other devs put out more renders AND animations AND features in the same or less time than he does.

That's exactly how I remember it. But it was not only attacked for lack of animation, but also mocked and ridiculed for it. The lack of animation was used as another proof of milking, and now it's the other way around. It's just annoying...

 

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[BroBen]

Nah, basically he realize he could use the animation excuse to delay even more and keep milking

 

[Talcum Powder]

That's exactly how I remember it. But it was not only attacked for lack of animation, but also mocked and ridiculed for it. The lack of animation was used as another proof of milking, and now it's the other way around. It's just annoying...

I think we should be careful about the subject of the sentence. "It" - meaning AWAM - was not being mocked and ridiculed for not having animations, "he" - meaning L&P - was being mocked and ridiculed, and rightly so IMHO, for his fantastically slow output.

-edit: Annoying? Yes, I'm kind of sick of the milking debate myself. The evidence of milking is overwhelming but entirely circumstantial. The guy is slow as sludge and disorganized as hell and clueless as fuck when it comes to keeping his story straight, but that doesn't mean he's milking... well, it doesn't prove it, anyway.

 

[gzrtjhgtyhjljk]

Did anyone ask for animations??

Yes. Those posts exist in every thread about games without animations. Sensible devs ignore them, but apparently this dev didn't. I find it odd because the focus of this game lies on the story and eroticism. Hell, the game doesn't even have a proper penetration scene. And that's fine to me. I prefer this game and generally ignore those popular Dutch-Angle-close-up-animated games.

 

[Talcum Powder]

When the game was being compared to BaDik, that's when it was ridiculed for not having animations

That's very disingenuous. The overwhelming thrust of the critique/comparison was that the good Dr. Pinkcake churns out thousands of renders and dozens of animations and loads and loads of gameplay elements, not to mention dozens of events covering several days of story, in about the same amount of time as L&P churns out a very nice massage scene and a one-on-one basketball game and a concert and a throwaway conversation with minor characters and a teen-fantasy hot tub groping session.

 

[mario ferrari]

Good morning when upload a wife and mother v155?

 

[FullyAnimated]

Did anyone ask for animations??

Not I, but my forum id makes my preference very clear.

 

[gzrtjhgtyhjljk]

That's very disingenuous. The overwhelming thrust of the critique/comparison was that the good Dr. Pinkcake churns out thousands of renders and dozens of animations and loads and loads of gameplay elements, not to mention dozens of events covering several days of story, in about the same amount of time as L&P churns out a very nice massage scene and a one-on-one basketball game and a concert and a throwaway conversation with minor characters and a teen-fantasy hot tub groping session.

People were seriously going by image numbers when comparing it to a game where every conversation has 10 facial expression variations without actually changing anything in the scene? Or that stupid dildo hat that doubled the amount of images featuring the MC without any effort? Or where half of the images are stupid close-ups that require a fraction of the effort put in any image of this game?

 

[Talcum Powder]

People were seriously going by image numbers when comparing it to a game where every conversation has 10 facial expression variations without actually changing anything in the scene? Or that stupid dildo hat that doubled the amount of images featuring the MC without any effort? Or where half of the images are stupid close-ups that require a fraction of the effort put in any image of this game?

I think you're getting hung up on some details and criticizing them, which is fair enough, as a way of distracting from the main point: L&P spends months producing almost no story.

 

[kevin19997]

People were seriously going by image numbers when comparing it to a game where every conversation has 10 facial expression variations without actually changing anything in the scene? Or that stupid dildo hat that doubled the amount of images featuring the MC without any effort? Or where half of the images are stupid close-ups that require a fraction of the effort put in any image of this game?

this just shows me, that u never really played being a dik mate. this game is insane full off details and the story is so hard to write because of the amount of side storys and main storys + the free roam events. if u tell me, its harder to write AMWA ur just stupid.

 

[salgazar]

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[Sabertooth__]

That's very disingenuous. The overwhelming thrust of the critique/comparison was that the good Dr. Pinkcake churns out thousands of renders and dozens of animations and loads and loads of gameplay elements, not to mention dozens of events covering several days of story, in about the same amount of time as L&P churns out a very nice massage scene and a one-on-one basketball game and a concert and a throwaway conversation with minor characters and a teen-fantasy hot tub groping session.

You're forgetting that Dev's almost 8 times bigger. So the responsibility to deliver should also be 8 times.
We have already shown where he saves his time to get the output that he shows.

And if you write it like that then - "teen-fantasy groping session" then even I can easily make almost any scene sound like the stupidest thing to watch even in BaDik. Even the greatest shows can be made to sound like the most bizarre and ridiculous thing ever. So i would request not to portray this in a way that sounds like you are trying to make it look like Awam makes dumb scenes.

 

[nexer]

However, using the geometric figure in the back as a tree is a bit much.
To get to such a low resolution level, you have to modify it yourself. So he does it intentionally knowing his patrons very well.

 

[Sadowdark]

This is how Dev should communicate to his patrons

 

[den_tiger]

Just discovered this game. How many lesbian scenes are there?

 

[Bane71]