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Sabertooth__

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Sep 23, 2020
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DEAR L&P...
please avoid animation in future .... Its stopping game... And wasting time...
Well that won't happen. Since he has already confirmed that the Dylan Sophia events in the day will have Animations for sure.
And who knows, if the Christine Dylan Ellie event gets too spicy, an animation or two can be thrown in there too.
 

ancienregimele

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Sep 27, 2017
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I'm one of those supporters and I'm not offended, so you actually don't speak for 'each L&P patron'.

Each person here has the right to respond to the extremely slow development of AWAM and some of us, supporters for years BTW, have offered a variety of ideas to help L&P increase production speed, and we've been ignored. Ultimately, it is His decision to proceed at this very slow development speed.

He's chosen Not to build a team.
He's chosen to continue to update DOL and post it on Patreon versus giving it to a trusted and trained creator who is happy to support L&P (Key words here - trusted and trained, which you can not get if you insist on being a solo creator - or almost solo creator since I discount the animator who apparently cannot manage his/her time well enough to create two animations in 3 months without further slowing down L&P).
He has already gone back and started to remaster part I (versus, again, using the remastering of part I as a great opportunity to train someone to help and then let them learn and prove themselves on the remaster - which has NO time constraint since the Vast majority of us who are already playing AWAM are waiting for PD 13 content, Not a remaster of Part I).

There is Major low-hanging fruit in terms of easy opportunities to teach and train others. This would allow them to join a team headed by L&P to help create AWAM and dramatically shorten the current development cycle, which multiple people here, using basic math skills, have projected to exceed 20 years.

The reality, AWAM is a good and interesting AVN. I doubt that > 1% of the other creations on F95 have this much discussion taking place while waiting for another of the now small updates to be released (page # 5460 at the time I'm writiing this response).

I've praised L&P for the quality of some of the individual updates but this uber slow development of individual scenes within one PD makes it very hard to remain a supporter.

It's shame that the odds are stacked against L&P being able to give AWAM the PD 30 endings it deserves (versus abandoning it at some point), given how much of it he will have to recreate multiple times to keep up with: render quality, software changes (like Renpy, for ex.), and hardware improvements that will open creativity doors that simply did not exist years ago when the best card you could get was a NVidia 2080 ti.

Are there leeches on F95 - Yes
Are there lemmings who support L&P - Yes

To both of those... So What!

We each get to make a choice, including L&P.

So far, I've seen nothing any supporter or non-supporter can do to change his development choices.
You've said what I was thinking, (plus some tech stuff I wouldn't have had a clue about), the difference being that I'm a pirate. There are those here that seem not to recognise, or choose to ignore, that this is a pirate forum. Yes F95 is a pirate forum & it's crawling with "self-entitled leeches." This has been ongoing for years. So folks, if pirates offend you, or you feel they have no legitimate right to an opinion, you know what to do & there are several options. AWAM fandom is a very "broad church" & there should be room for all. Most fans, of whatever viewpoint, surely want AWAM to succeed, don't they?

I am a Patron but not of L&P. I prefer to support artists & creators who deliver on a tighter schedule. I was on the brink of supporting AWAM when events conspired to derail this plan. Afterwards, it was apparent that delaying tactics had arrived, which at that time could have been temporary but which turned out to be here to stay & were due to grow until the ludicrous current situation became the norm. I am satisfied that I havn't paid a penny towards this but nor do I presume to tell other people how to spend their cash.

There is no whining from me, it's called criticism & is usually meant as constructive criticism, whether it is perceived as such is another matter. There are some (almost) certainties about AWAM & one is that criticism will be ignored by the Dev. I sometimes wish that those certainties represented stability but they don't because to paraphrase a song, 'things can always get slower.'

I have never accused L&P of being a milker but posts in the comments have jogged my memory & I'm reminded of "The Boston Box", as developed in the USA at Harvard Business School, which anyone taking business studies or studying at a business college will probably have come across, or will do in future. [You'll have to make allowances for this reference because I learned about it in 1981/2 & I'm recalling as best as I can]. Divided into four internal squares the box contains in the bottom quarter a "cash cow" representing a successful, in-demand product, let's call it AWAM. Milking this cash cow is neither an inherently bad idea, unethical, or a bad business decision, provided people are prepared to pay for it. It could be the right thing to do. If the business is one person it doesn't require a Board meeting, or shareholders convention to decide what to do. It could even be an idea to experiment with the supply of the product to see what the market will stand, or better still attempt to increase the demand through rarity value. These are choices...choices made by people in the interests of staying afloat. They carry risks but doing nothing is also always an option that can succeed in favourable circumstances.

Now, despite the topic being AWAM & its' future, or lack of same, I'll await the "Removal" message.
 
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crabboid

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Sep 7, 2019
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I'm doing a fresh runthrough right now, and I forget something; how do you get the jacuzzi scene? My Sam and Filthy rank is way up there, but Sophia just shoots him down. Do I have to have gotten the pool scene with Dylan as well?
 

karleston

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You've said what I was thinking, (plus some tech stuff I wouldn't have had a clue about), the difference being that I'm a pirate. There are those here that seem not to recognise, or choose to ignore, that this is a pirate forum. Yes F95 is a pirate forum & it's crawling with "self-entitled leeches." This has been ongoing for years. So folks, if pirates offend you, or you feel they have no legitimate right to an opinion, you know what to do & there are several options. AWAM fandom is a very "broad church" & there should be room for all. Most fans, of whatever viewpoint, surely want AWAM to succeed, don't they?

I am a Patron but not of L&P. I prefer to support artists & creators who deliver on a tighter schedule. I was on the brink of supporting AWAM when events conspired to derail this plan. Afterwards, it was apparent that delaying tactics had arrived, which at that time could have been temporary but which turned out to be here to stay & were due to grow until the ludicrous current situation became the norm. I am satisfied that I havn't paid a penny towards this but nor do I presume to tell other people how to spend their cash.

There is no whining from me, it's called criticism & is usually meant as constructive criticism, whether it is perceived as such is another matter. There are some (almost) certainties about AWAM & one is that criticism will be ignored by the Dev. I sometimes wish that those certainties represented stability but they don't because to paraphrase a song, 'things can always get slower.'

I have never accused L&P of being a milker but posts in the comments have jogged my memory & I'm reminded of "The Boston Box", as developed in the USA at Harvard Business School, which anyone taking business studies or studying at a business college will probably have come across, or will do in future. [You'll have to make allowances for this reference because I learned about it in 1981/2 & I'm recalling as best as I can]. Divided into four internal squares the box contains in the bottom quarter a "cash cow" representing a successful, in-demand product, let's call it AWAM. Milking this cash cow is neither an inherently bad idea, unethical, or a bad business decision, provided people are prepared to pay for it. It could be the right thing to do. If the business is one person it doesn't require a Board meeting, or shareholders convention to decide what to do. It could even be an idea to experiment with the supply of the product to see what the market will stand, or better still attempt to increase the demand through rarity value. These are choices...choices made by people in the interests of staying afloat. They carry risks but doing nothing is also always an option that can succeed in favourable circumstances.

Now, despite the topic being AWAM & its' future, or lack of same, I'll await the "Removal" message.
OK, for me a milker is someone who makes minimum efforts and is trying to maximize the profits. Now the problem with that is that i'm pretty sure L&P is making huge efforts to get this game going. Right now, we are at approximately 4.5 renders per day. And don't forget about the rest, like the story, the renpy, the animations and so on.

Now if you tell me that you can do all of that in less than 6 hours per day. I will tell you to go make your own game. you will have great success for sure. And that's where these guys are wrong.

The guy is not a milker. He is a bad business owner. He is trying to do it all by himself. So you can dissociate constructive from criticisim with a guy like that. You are only criticizing. And its not helping by any means because he is not listening.

I am not saying you can't criticize him. You should and have the right to do that. What i am saying is that no one is listening.

I learned to take this game as it is. A good game with slow updates. If i want to play and there is no update yet, i will look somewhere else and that's it. No need for drama
 

ancienregimele

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Sep 27, 2017
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OK, for me a milker is someone who makes minimum efforts and is trying to maximize the profits. Now the problem with that is that i'm pretty sure L&P is making huge efforts to get this game going. Right now, we are at approximately 4.5 renders per day. And don't forget about the rest, like the story, the renpy, the animations and so on.

Now if you tell me that you can do all of that in less than 6 hours per day. I will tell you to go make your own game. you will have great success for sure. And that's where these guys are wrong.

The guy is not a milker. He is a bad business owner. He is trying to do it all by himself. So you can dissociate constructive from criticisim with a guy like that. You are only criticizing. And its not helping by any means because he is not listening.

I am not saying you can't criticize him. You should and have the right to do that. What i am saying is that no one is listening.

I learned to take this game as it is. A good game with slow updates. If i want to play and there is no update yet, i will look somewhere else and that's it. No need for drama
There are many who will support him whatever he does. That's their choice. That he can deliver numerous, timely & quality renders, (as well as write a better story than presently exists), IMO, is shown by what was produced in the past. There are bound to be fluctuations for various reasons. Nobody expects perfection, which can only ever be a target. He's not particularly good at business but it's his choice to abandon his promise to recruit a work group or team. Nevertheless, he makes a good living, while everyone knows he could make far more with better management & with the amazing level of interest in AWAM, I mean FAR more. This thread has been at the forefront of maintaining that interest. Existing levels of free publicity, (ignore whether good or bad), would cost many 1,000s of Euros, Dollars or Pounds. [I know this because I used to write & pay for the recruitment publicity for some large organisations].

There's one main reason why I maintain any interest in AWAM & that's because this game was different. It was a step beyond the run of the mill, decent though some of those games are. I used to play a lot of other stuff but the visual novel format, along with what was, initially, a more adult approach to the genre, were enough to keep me & many others hooked from the start. I used to say that at last 3D erotica had a grown-up producing something for a grown-up audience (& after 20 years of such stuff), I privately thought it was about time. It really seemed that the adult porn game had at last reached adulthood.

As you say there's no need for drama. There is an inescapable fact, however, which is that if this thread consisted only of sycophantic tributes, along with endless questions around when will X fuck Y?, what's in the next update?, when is the next update?, I want to see Dylan, I want to see Sam, are we nearly there yet? etc., this thread would be boring. Many other game subject threads on F95 with less controversy & a lot less contributions are indeed, pretty boring.

It plays into L&P's interest to have fans amuse themselves in fruitless speculation, circular arguments, storyline debates & much more. We, the fans, have at various times, enjoyed these pastimes but in my own case...no more. It may have even helped him in his plan to delay everything...because IMO there's no doubt that he could make the necessary adjustments to not only develop AWAM at a faster pace but to let fans believe there might even be a conclusion to the saga before global warming destroys the planet....if he chose to do so. He chooses to become slower instead. If no-one highlights this then AWAM will end up as a once a year, one event fiasco, after which who knows?

Now, whilst it is true that I can realistically expect to have no influence & that L&P owes me nothing, I believe that change is always possible. It's not only possible but could well become an imperative for AWAM at this rate, before the mid-point of the story is reached. One of the dangers to a cash cow I didn't mention in my post above was that a lack of essential innovation, (& I don't mean needless animations), can lead to competitors taking advantage of product complacency, leading to the demise of that lovely cash cow.
 

devilsnaresid

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progress say's 100% ... Animation progress bar is not there , hopefully animation is completed and release for thanksgiving weeknd
 

ancienregimele

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Westerners do not like pubic hair
That's a broad statement & not true. Currently young people have a tendency to dislike it & that may be a majority but not all feel like that. So it's been a fashion thing for about the last quarter of a century. When I was young, (a long time ago), I appreciated both "looks", sometimes on the same woman within the same day. "Variety is the spice of life" is the real Western view for many people of all genders & ages.
 
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