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tofhdns

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Sofia needs Emma because of Dylan, not her own desires.

Sophia has many women.
Alicia, Natalie, Ellie, Vicky, Patricia...

Dylan has many women., too.
Amber, Emma, Marie, Christine, Patricia...

The developer said there will be a big event for Liam on the last day of the game.

Dylan's big event will also be on the last day of the game.

But I don't know if that last day will be 6 or 60 years later.
 

Alley_Cat

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Sofia needs Emma because of Dylan, not her own desires.

Sophia has many women.
Alicia, Natalie, Ellie, Vicky, Patricia...

Dylan has many women., too.
Amber, Emma, Marie, Christine, Patricia...

The developer said there will be a big event for Liam on the last day of the game.

Dylan's big event will also be on the last day of the game.

But I don't know if that last day will be 6 or 60 years later.
"End of the game" doesn't necessarily mean the last day. If you look at the days Dylan doesn't have events, one of them is PD30
 

Notretsam

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so here is a question, people complain Sophia still has not had sex with someone who isn't her husband.

so my question is this, where in the current story should Sophia have sex?


Also, while I'm asking this, how many characters do you think there should be in AWAM?
 

tofhdns

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"End of the game" doesn't necessarily mean the last day. If you look at the days Dylan doesn't have events, one of them is PD30
Of course not everything will happen all at once on 31 December.

I Mean, Not then Around that time.
 

Alley_Cat

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so here is a question, people complain Sophia still has not had sex with someone who isn't her husband.

so my question is this, where in the current story should Sophia have sex?


Also, while I'm asking this, how many characters do you think there should be in AWAM?
That entirely depends on what you consider sex. I'm fairly sure many here are using the straight definition, implying penetrative.

But that ignores sexual contact with mouths, fingers, boobs etc.
 

tofhdns

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so here is a question, people complain Sophia still has not had sex with someone who isn't her husband.

so my question is this, where in the current story should Sophia have sex?


Also, while I'm asking this, how many characters do you think there should be in AWAM?
There are enough characters already.
That's too many.

Does complaining matter about no sex on porn gaming sites?

I hope AWAM is faster.

Some supporters say strange things on the grounds of "moral," "realism."

Then don't make a porn game.
Make a love simulation game.

Remove the tag. Incest
 
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Alley_Cat

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There are enough characters already.
That's too many.

Does complaining about no sex on porn gaming sites matter?

I hope AWAM is faster.

Some supporters say strange things on the grounds of "moral," "realism."

Then don't make a porn game.
Make a love simulation game.

Remove the tag. Incest
The only reason why members like myself talk about realism (or class), is that L&P himself touts it as a reason his game is better than others. So it's a standard the dev himself has set.

For those that see me in other threads can vouch, I don't make a fuss at all about realism in other games. Certainly not in something like DDoS, that even never claims to be realistic. We suspect one of the NPCs is a succubus, which throws realism straight out the window.
 

tofhdns

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The only reason why members like myself talk about realism (or class), is that L&P himself touts it as a reason his game is better than others. So it's a standard the dev himself has set.

For those that see me in other threads can vouch, I don't make a fuss at all about realism in other games. Certainly not in something like DDoS, that even never claims to be realistic. We suspect one of the NPCs is a succubus, which throws realism straight out the window.
I mean some people who say the reason for the slow pace of the game is realism.

It's not someone else
 

PaxHadrian17

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I suspect that the main problem of L&P is the burnout effect. It is the fact that he is remastering the first part that tells me about it. Of course, I may be wrong, but such a slow development of the game, such a long wait for updates, to some extent confirm my fears.
His 3D skills are at a high level, he is also engaged in programming, but writing is not just a set of knowledge. In order to write interesting, and for this game it is necessary to write exciting, the author needs inspiration. To maintain the level of involvement in the plot and inspiration at such a high level that it is still interesting to a large number of people, this is an extremely difficult task.
Those people who understand the problems faced by L&P and express some support and understanding to him here on the forum, are also subjected to very rude and inappropriate insults. They are called paid L&P lawyers, bastards, idiots and other nonsense.
To be honest, it's strange to watch this for so many years. This tells me that the nature of man does not change, we are the same as we were several centuries ago. Only the external manifestations change, but the essence remains the same.
You could have a point here.

Has AWAM become a job that L&P endures because it is how he provides for himself?

If the pacing and development speed of the AVN is a guide, then it seems like much of the 'fun' has gone out of this creation.

More time is being spent on side stories (shota boys/old men) and on newer things (animations/remastering early parts of the story), leaving less time to continue the subplots that brought so many of us to AWAM.

The trend of the slow tease/burn continues to play out. It took 6 years RL for a prim Sophia to evolve and allow one guy to be able to give her an orgasm by playing with and sucking her tits. She has still not reciprocated by giving pleasure to a guy (setting aside the good wife path which is hardly the primary focus of AWAM). She did give minor pleasure to Ellie and Julia, years ago - RL, but she has fallen back into her passive ways.

All this while development speed continues to slow.

IF he spends a significant part of his week creating, then this must be lonely since he has refused to build a team leaving him with no near peers to commiserate with or to celebrate successes. Friends and family are great, but they are not in the work trenches with you, so they really Don't get the grind of days into months into years poured into a creation or any other job.

If this has become 'just' a job for L&P, then he is missing one of the key reasons to stay at his job - the people.

Is L&P bored with AWAM now??

How many of us have stayed at a boring job because it paid the bills, and it was 'enough' for now... with now stretching into years or even decades.

We will likely never know the answer to many of these questions or receive confirmation/denial regarding some of the subjective assessment above, but the continued drop in development speed feels like an indicator that all is not well.

Do I think that AWAM will continue for years - yes.

At what point does L&P pull a 'Dread Pirate Roberts' - get a replacement who takes on the role of L&P while the artist formerly known as L&P retires?

Sarcastic... perhaps ... but....
 

Bane71

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You could have a point here.

Has AWAM become a job that L&P endures because it is how he provides for himself?

If the pacing and development speed of the AVN is a guide, then it seems like much of the 'fun' has gone out of this creation.

More time is being spent on side stories (shota boys/old men) and on newer things (animations/remastering early parts of the story), leaving less time to continue the subplots that brought so many of us to AWAM.

The trend of the slow tease/burn continues to play out. It took 6 years RL for a prim Sophia to evolve and allow one guy to be able to give her an orgasm by playing with and sucking her tits. She has still not reciprocated by giving pleasure to a guy (setting aside the good wife path which is hardly the primary focus of AWAM). She did give minor pleasure to Ellie and Julia, years ago - RL, but she has fallen back into her passive ways.

All this while development speed continues to slow.

IF he spends a significant part of his week creating, then this must be lonely since he has refused to build a team leaving him with no near peers to commiserate with or to celebrate successes. Friends and family are great, but they are not in the work trenches with you, so they really Don't get the grind of days into months into years poured into a creation or any other job.

If this has become 'just' a job for L&P, then he is missing one of the key reasons to stay at his job - the people.

Is L&P bored with AWAM now??

How many of us have stayed at a boring job because it paid the bills, and it was 'enough' for now... with now stretching into years or even decades.

We will likely never know the answer to many of these questions or receive confirmation/denial regarding some of the subjective assessment above, but the continued drop in development speed feels like an indicator that all is not well.

Do I think that AWAM will continue for years - yes.

At what point does L&P pull a 'Dread Pirate Roberts' - get a replacement who takes on the role of L&P while the artist formerly known as L&P retires?

Sarcastic... perhaps ... but....
As they say, as many people, so many opinions.
To tell the truth, I still hope that L&P will find solutions and opportunities to speed up the creation of AWAM. According to my ideas, it will take him another 2-3 years.

I don't think that for L&P, AWAM has become just a job. In my opinion, this is still for him, something exciting and interesting, something that he wants to successfully complete. But this does not exclude the fact that the work of a writer is something special. That is why I draw the attention of forum members to the understanding that in order for a writer to write interestingly, excitingly and eventually successfully, he needs inspiration. And inspiration is such a substance that is not constantly in a person for years. Inspiration must be sought, sometimes it comes by itself, but it is infinitely impossible to keep it in yourself.
It is the burnout effect that cleanses a person of inspiration.

Also I don't think the fun has gone out of this game. On the contrary, together with Sophia, who is more sexually active, the fun will return to the game.
But I agree with you that many questions will remain unanswered.
 

Radoslaw Wolf

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I suspect that the main problem of L&P is the burnout effect. It is the fact that he is remastering the first part that tells me about it. Of course, I may be wrong, but such a slow development of the game, such a long wait for updates, to some extent confirm my fears.
His 3D skills are at a high level, he is also engaged in programming, but writing is not just a set of knowledge. In order to write interesting, and for this game it is necessary to write exciting, the author needs inspiration. To maintain the level of involvement in the plot and inspiration at such a high level that it is still interesting to a large number of people, this is an extremely difficult task.
Those people who understand the problems faced by L&P and express some support and understanding to him here on the forum, are also subjected to very rude and inappropriate insults. They are called paid L&P lawyers, bastards, idiots and other nonsense.
To be honest, it's strange to watch this for so many years. This tells me that the nature of man does not change, we are the same as we were several centuries ago. Only the external manifestations change, but the essence remains the same.


After you finished, the second part of the game appeared. Download it and you will understand what has changed.
One of his first goals on Patreon: drop off the college and hire a team. Never fulfilled. Lies upon lies. Zero understanding from me.
 

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And inspiration is such a substance that is not constantly in a person for years. Inspiration must be sought, sometimes it comes by itself, but it is infinitely impossible to keep it in yourself.
It is the burnout effect that cleanses a person of inspiration.
Look man I'm sure there are many here who work in the creative industry as well and very much understand that what he's attempting to do is by no means easy. But that's what people have been warning for many many years now. It's for this very reason. That at some point, with a slow development, you will feel burnout.

Which is why many have implored the dev to fulfill his pledge and hire a team to finish this game quicker. So long as this problem is not rectified, there's always a danger that this game will eventually be abandoned.
 
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ancienregimele

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There are enough characters already.
That's too many.

Does complaining matter about no sex on porn gaming sites?

I hope AWAM is faster.

Some supporters say strange things on the grounds of "moral," "realism."

Then don't make a porn game.
Make a love simulation game.

Remove the tag. Incest
Why should a story featuring incest not have at least some sense of realism? Only one big reason I can think of but we'll come to that. Apart from the Dev's own mission statement, which he's never rescinded, AWAM began & progressed for several years along a track that was observably more realistic than virtually any other game on F95. It almost seemed that at last there was a story for grown-ups, being written by an adult.

It was good because 98% of games & VNs make no pretence at anything like logic, or scenarios with a modicum of believability. Most are, in fact, aimed squarely "where the market is," I presume. This consists of tweenage/teenage fappers, some of whom have clearly never had a girlfriend & so have little understanding of how sex & sexual situations work in real life. 3d portrayals of BJs are a case in point.....'swallow the sausage & choke' is not an erotic circumstance in RL. I'm not being snotty about this, you see, I was a teenager myself for 7 years. It's good that 100s of porn games fulfil the audience's demands. It leaves very little for those who appreciate 3d but want something different, something less predictable & boring, something less silly. Then along came AWAM with the aims & aspirations clearly outlined.

Now any attempt at realism has been ditched. AWAM is just another porn game but it's not average because it is one of the slowest on that mass market. Fans want sex & screw the logic. Strangely, however, they're not getting it. HOW many times are we going to read variations on, "has Dylan fucked his mother yet?" Now we have the ridiculously concocted situation of Dylan & Sam being in some sort of sex race. (Total tripe). That's why the realism has gone. That & the fact that it's probably easier to write average porn than to aim for an erotic VN.

So all those who say, "get fucked," "why do you stick around", "stop being negative," etc., I've already said that I still follow AWAM for the renders & out of curiousity. Face palm away my virginal children.
 
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I suspect that the main problem of L&P is the burnout effect. It is the fact that he is remastering the first part that tells me about it. Of course, I may be wrong, but such a slow development of the game, such a long wait for updates, to some extent confirm my fears.
His 3D skills are at a high level, he is also engaged in programming, but writing is not just a set of knowledge. In order to write interesting, and for this game it is necessary to write exciting, the author needs inspiration. To maintain the level of involvement in the plot and inspiration at such a high level that it is still interesting to a large number of people, this is an extremely difficult task.
Those people who understand the problems faced by L&P and express some support and understanding to him here on the forum, are also subjected to very rude and inappropriate insults. They are called paid L&P lawyers, bastards, idiots and other nonsense.
To be honest, it's strange to watch this for so many years. This tells me that the nature of man does not change, we are the same as we were several centuries ago. Only the external manifestations change, but the essence remains the same.


After you finished, the second part of the game appeared. Download it and you will understand what has changed.
wise
 
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Combined Edition - Updated to v0.180

What's New:
  • Updated the Renpy version to the latest.
  • Added an option to start the game from the beginning or jump to Part 2 by answering questions.
  • Added a New Fan Stories made by Pixil
  • Tried to fix every bug that was in the previous version.

Previews:
There's a bug, after the shower with Ellie where she masturbate in front of Sophia, it jumped to the latest event with Sofia and Dylan at the hair salon before the car discussion.
 

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About realism: When there is logical progress then the game is realistic. Yes, it's still a game and still an erotic game, so Sophia has to do something with the boys, but the progress is logical and not stupid. In other games the boy starts fucking every lady with his huge cock.
AWAM is a realistic erotic game ( logic progress leads to hot scenes ).
 

davsun

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If this is not sarcasm, then I thank you for your appreciation.

But to tell the truth, I don't see any wisdom in my words, just an attempt to look at the work of L&P objectively.
yep I thought the same, but Its hard to see that part of the job if the guys only want to fap
 
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tofhdns

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About realism: When there is logical progress then the game is realistic. Yes, it's still a game and still an erotic game, so Sophia has to do something with the boys, but the progress is logical and not stupid. In other games the boy starts fucking every lady with his huge cock.
AWAM is a realistic erotic game ( logic progress leads to hot scenes ).
I don't know what was hot except for the last scene of Sam.
 
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