VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[jamdan]

My beliefs on the "realism" aspect of this game is that this game has never actually been that realistic.

I think the slower pace of the updates skew what has and is actually happening in the game. People get hung up on what LP says about "realism" but somehow miss what the game itself has been saying.

Sophia, in the span of 13 days, which is not a long time. Has gone from a woman that didn't want to wear a bikini in front of her teenage kids (Sophia, by the way, was supposedly wild in her college days) to making out and being groped by her sons BFF.

Is that realistic? No, on both counts. Moms, especially fairly wealthy (implying they've had a pool before and/or take beach trips) and very attractive moms like Sophia, shouldn't feel any weirdness about wearing bikinis in front of their kids. Or weirdness about putting lotion on their daughter. Or weirdness about her son sitting on her lap.

Logically, she should've done those things multiple times before. There are many cases like this where Sophia does or doesn't do things that, logically, she shouldn't do or should've already done.

This game also isn't much of a "slowburn". I mean, sure, it's slow compared to other FMC games which are by and large walking-talking sex simulators but it's still, to me, not that slow. It just feels that way because of the update timeframes. As noted above, Sophia started out unrealistically conservative and prudish. Despite that having direct clashes with her backstory (wild college chick).

However, choosing to ignore the backstory issues and just going off how prudish she was at the start of the game, Sophia does something sexual almost everyday, and at least recently, in every event. From making out with her daughter, to bikini shows for her son and friend, to kissing her daughters friends, to helping 12 years olds put on condoms and letting them grope you to swapping spit with your neighbors son.

You don't go from being a prude to agreeing to that stuff in a matter of days. There are lots of sexual things besides sex, AWAM does this pretty well, much better than 99% of games, but that still doesn't mean it's slowburn.

 

[XaGnard]

One character very important to me is Emma. Hooking Dylan & her up stopped him lusting after Sophia, (so far). You see, I don't dislike Dylan, I just prefer him when he isn't obsessed with wanting to penetrate the woman who gave birth to him.

Also, I notice that the penny is beginning to drop, as fans recognise that AWAM is going to take over another 30 years to finish, at the current rate of development. I'd write to the Dev myself but he has no interest in what I think. Perhaps some Patrons could start asking relevant questions....

In my opinion, L&P could have left Emma out completely. She's just boring. The rest of the Dylan content, however, is what carries this game. You can't just leave that out.

Yes, I also think that this rather obvious realization is slowly gaining ground. Now L&P would just need to take a beginner's course in project management, and maybe some day Dylan can have some action.

 

[FullyAnimated]

The rest of the Dylan content, however, is what carries this game. You can't just leave that out.

He could also prune down the Dylan content to just focus on his path with Amber. A dual mother/son's friend storyline would be satisfying and allow the story to progress so much quicker.

 

[XaGnard]

He could also prune down the Dylan content to just focus on his path with Amber. A dual mother/son's friend storyline would be satisfying and allow the story to progress so much quicker.

Then you can just drop the game completely. No, there are good reasons why Dylan is something like a 2nd main character, and I think L&P should even expand on that.

What I think would be good to remove, or at least put into a DLC, are the side stories whose characters have no connection to the rest of the story. Especially the two side jobs are completely unnecessary.

 

[kadgilek]

just i need another scene in that room . only what i want from dev lol

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

One of his first goals on Patreon: drop off the college and hire a team. Never fulfilled. Lies upon lies. Zero understanding from me.

Even Sophia knows he’s a lousy liar

 

[Sadowdark]

just i need another scene in that room . only what i want from dev lol

This update was so unreal that Sam was a one-man band. Poor Dylan his superpower is spinning a ball on his dick

 

[FullyAnimated]

Then you can just drop the game completely. No, there are good reasons why Dylan is something like a 2nd main character, and I think L&P should even expand on that.

Disagree but to each their own.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Disagree but to each their own.

Ultimately it comes down to what's written on the box. This is advertised as a female protagonist game about a wife and mother. If Dylan was to be an MC, then the game description should have reflected that from the beginning, and players like me could have dismissed the game as the standard cliche incest game Part 2 is proving to be.

 

[XaGnard]

Ultimately it comes down to what's written on the box. This is advertised as a female protagonist game about a wife and mother. If Dylan was to be an MC, then the game description should have reflected that from the beginning, and players like me could have dismissed the game as the standard cliche incest game Part 2 is proving to be.

Well, if a porn game already points to the mother role in the title, then the expected content is quite obvious, I think.

I, at least, would be very disappointed if Dylan and Ellie don't become much more active than they have been so far. It's about time for something to happen.

 

[davsun]

realistic by a porn game with a fictional history like a erotic romance book... but not realistic like a real life, but inthis crazy world we can see everything, nothing surprise me

 

[Yamakasi20]

So:

1. Any reason why this update took almost 3 months to make?

2. Any reason why the work on the new update is not started after two weeks of 0% ?

3. Any reason to believe, after adding 2 more circles, that after all 6 are at 100% we will add 3 more so we can have Dante's wet dream? And rename them to: Limbo, Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Wrath, Heresy, Violence, Fraud, Treachery so it would actually be fun following their progression?

Just saying

 

[fabyoxx]

This dev is squeezing his patrons and making them pay to re-release a game they already played. Zero progress in the story but he is working on the first day that nobody cares, smart as can not be

 

[GokutheG]

Ultimately it comes down to what's written on the box. This is advertised as a female protagonist game about a wife and mother. If Dylan was to be an MC, then the game description should have reflected that from the beginning, and players like me could have dismissed the game as the standard cliche incest game Part 2 is proving to be.

I had absolutely no interest in Dylan(besides being his mom until he acted like a groper) in the first part of the game so why would I be interested in him being a mc in the 2nd part?(that came out of nowhere) That's what I was hoping sending him to boarding school would telegraph to the game/dev that I don't care for him or his content.

The problem with splitting content between (fe)male mcs is that one side typically comes out on the short end(usually the female mc). That's why I'm weary of the double mc tags because typically the story mainly focuses on the guy's perspective while the female mc is just controlled for like a decision/chapter at most(which i feel the tag should not be used.) The best way that could be handled is to let us pick the mc's gender at the start.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Well, if a porn game already points to the mother role in the title, then the expected content is quite obvious, I think.

I, at least, would be very disappointed if Dylan and Ellie don't become much more active than they have been so far. It's about time for something to happen.

It's not the Sophia/Dylan or Sophia/Ellie content I'm criticising. It's the Dylan/... events that have nothing to do with Sophia. Dylan/Emma, Dylan/Amber and the bonus storyline have little to nothing to do with Sophia - the wife and mother.

 

[Hotcoupleeasy]

just i need another scene in that room . only what i want from dev lol

Me too. I just want Sam to see her naked ass

 

[palmtrees89]

Reading some comments the past 2 pages is crazy.

Are people really pulling the burnout card now? Is this the point where even the most diehard fans realize how terribly slow this project has become? Are you really trying to tell yourself burnout is the reason for it now? Lmao

L&P is working on this for 5 years. 6 years in October I believe. Y'all act like he's been working on this for 30+ years, 12 hours a day.

Breaking News: This project's development is in a downward spiral for MORE than 3 years now, and it continues to slow down.

That said, you are basically implying he's been burned out since the 2nd year of development? The current year is no different than the previous ones. It's constantly getting slower. Been that way 3 years ago, and it's still that way in the current year. I'm guessing we've now finally reached a point where no other excuses from the usual suspects make sense anymore? Is this supposed to be the last straw to justify everything?

I feel like some of y'all need daily reminders on some of L&P's statements. Just very recently he's said that he "already has plans to speed up development within the next 1-2 years.". Dejavu much? Not like he's been saying the same crap for many years now, right?

Burnout my ass. Lmao

 

[TomUK]

Reading some of the comments in the past 2 pages is crazy.

Are people really pulling the burnout card now? Is this the point where even the most diehard fans realize how terribly slow this project has become? Are you really trying to tell yourself burnout is the reason for it now? Lmao

L&P is working on this for 5 years. 6 years in October I believe. Y'all act like he's been working on this for 30+ years, 12 hours a day.

Breaking News: This project's development is in a downward spiral for MORE than 3 years now, and it continues to slow down.

That said, you are basically implying he's been burned out since the 2nd year of development? The current year is no different than the previous ones. It's constantly getting slower. Been that way 3 years ago, and it's still that way in the current year. I'm guessing we've now finally reached a point where no other excuses from the usual suspects make sense anymore? Is this supposed to be the last straw to justify everything?

I feel like some of y'all need daily reminders on some of L&P's statements. Just very recently he's said that he "already has plans to speed up development within the next 1-2 years.". Dejavu much? Not like he's been saying the same crap for many years now, right?

Burnout my ass. Lmao

I'd like to see the finish of this game, but at the same time I don't subscribe because I can't afford to, therefore the content is free to me. So it's the devs game and they can take as much time as they want and it's down to their subscribers whether they want to continue to subscribe or not.

 

[菊花献给党]

My beliefs on the "realism" aspect of this game is that this game has never actually been that realistic.

I think the slower pace of the updates skew what has and is actually happening in the game. People get hung up on what LP says about "realism" but somehow miss what the game itself has been saying.

Sophia, in the span of 13 days, which is not a long time. Has gone from a woman that didn't want to wear a bikini in front of her teenage kids (Sophia, by the way, was supposedly wild in her college days) to making out and being groped by her sons BFF.

Is that realistic? No, on both counts. Moms, especially fairly wealthy (implying they've had a pool before and/or take beach trips) and very attractive moms like Sophia, shouldn't feel any weirdness about wearing bikinis in front of their kids. Or weirdness about putting lotion on their daughter. Or weirdness about her son sitting on her lap.

Logically, she should've done those things multiple times before. There are many cases like this where Sophia does or doesn't do things that, logically, she shouldn't do or should've already done.

This game also isn't much of a "slowburn". I mean, sure, it's slow compared to other FMC games which are by and large walking-talking sex simulators but it's still, to me, not that slow. It just feels that way because of the update timeframes. As noted above, Sophia started out unrealistically conservative and prudish. Despite that having direct clashes with her backstory (wild college chick).

However, choosing to ignore the backstory issues and just going off how prudish she was at the start of the game, Sophia does something sexual almost everyday, and at least recently, in every event. From making out with her daughter, to bikini shows for her son and friend, to kissing her daughters friends, to helping 12 years olds put on condoms and letting them grope you to swapping spit with your neighbors son.

You don't go from being a prude to agreeing to that stuff in a matter of days. There are lots of sexual things besides sex, AWAM does this pretty well, much better than 99% of games, but that still doesn't mean it's slowburn.

Many people can't distinguish between game time and real time

 

[palmtrees89]

You can't keep a job for more than a month and you wanna give us lessons ?

Go try working that long on the same project and comeback and tell us how crazy we are.

He may be slow and have all the bad habits in the world. He still produced something you can't even dream of

What makes you think I couldn't keep a job for more than a month? Or that I'm unable to work on something for "that long"?

The fact that you think working a few years in the same field/job is something extraordinary is very telling and reminds me of a teenager if I'm being totally honest with you. You know this board is for adults, yes?