VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Couto25]

He's publicly said that it is. That was some years ago. AWAM is not being extended indefinitely for nothing. I applaud your 'honesty' concerning 'younger people wanting more sex than an older audience' but wish you'd given a reference to the research that shows this to be the case. AWAM has a large paying audience who vote for Dylan without fail. L&P uses crude, puerile, tweenage language to refer to the "twins" that he's made such a grossly out-sized, centre-piece of the game & it's fully accepted, apparently. [Anyone over 18 using such terms might be on their way to becoming a 40 year old virgin. It's either that, or they're in a large male-only gathering &/or drunk]. Scripts have become simplified. Dylan & co., (virgins expected, {i.e. in teen porn certain}, to satisfy someone more than twice their age), have taken over. These alone do not confirm youth but the patterns observable over the years in relation to AWAM do.

This paying audience collectively part with substantial sums of money, every month but as yet there has been no extra-marital, full-on, penetrative sex. Dream sequences, flashbacks & fantasies don't count because they're not occurring in San Alejo 'real time.' That's in a a story billed as a corruption game, after 6 years. There is no mass movement of fans voting with their wallets, ergo, they must be content without the extra-marital sex that was promised but not happening & happy to be teased along, year after year. This does not indicate a young audience clamouring for proper sex scenes, or realising that they have leverage sufficient to obtain delivery, or cause abandonment. Maybe they don't want to risk the latter.

As for myself, I'm part of a dwindling older audience. I read my first porn story in 1965 & have since read or seen all the ludicrous, trash, "porn logic" output that any man needs. Even back then I preferred a good story to basic 'fuck them all' rubbish & I was no intellectual, privately educated, swot but came from a place that is in the poorest 2% of my nation. It's a hard place still. I just wasn't a hard case myself, as my friends & I swapped magazines & novels. We couldn't have afforded to pay for a non-delivering project. As a teenager, I was already bored by the dross. I'm completely certain that many of AWAM's current teen followers feel the same but they continue to subsidise this slow-motion train wreck. I assume hope triumphs over reality.

Speaking as someone with kids older than Sophia, I can say that from my POV it would appear that where AWAM is concerned, it's the older audience that are more than ready for some actual sex. Slow burn is great but there comes a time to ease it off. Sam's event provided a point where this should have happened. What I think of how it actually turned out & why it did, can be seen in my earlier comments.

I have mentioned this earlier.. people voted Dylan because they wanted sophia/ Dylan event to happen first as per initial plot ..they were excited to vote for Dylan / sophia path. They didn't voted Dylan to see Dylan with Ellie/amber/Christine. I hope you get the answer...but it's not the only path for Sophia...there were many path..but among all those they prefer Dylan because he can corrupt sophia more than any other characters of the story. From scene 1 where sophia allowed to sit Dylan on her lap in the car till the last when he asked for vote. So even if it takes an year of developing the game, that path would have lead sophia to more corruption so that they won't have to work on corruption on other path like aiden/ sam, school etc...plus there was twist in path where Dylan enjoyed being a cuckold for Sophia/sam path. Or even in the latest one in barber shop when he didn't mentioned about Sophia's dress (nipslip) and has better incest chances with both sophia and ellie corruption wise...yes LP has mentioned Dylan as second MC but people voted to see more of these contents rather than Dylan amber Christine path. But unfortunately with time that 5/5 rating going down with these side story development. I hope that writer can stick to main path of the story. Because of Dylan bullying, sophia was getting more corrupted from school teacher date or posing as a model etc.
inshort Dylan had been chosen to exploit cuckold/incest path for Sophia/ellie mostly for those who wanted more corruption for Sophia. Or story was created in such a way that sophia will get more corrupted around Dylan storyline

And about age group that consume more porn...there are many research papers where you can find on internet ..66% of teen has already seen porn and 18-30 age group consume most porn ...so as you've mentioned you can find those data easily from Google by searching which age group consume most porn stories/movies....it doesn't mean older people don't see it but that's what the data said from few google website...rest developer can create the story as he want to cater all age groups. If someone is older, and get excited by writing than it's on individual fetish.
What I asked for to stick with the basic idea of main storyline and not to create more complexity by adding more and more side route and additional side story with more characters...it will take extra time to create plot again for those characters where the main storyline will be slow with introduction of new characters or Dylan relation progress with other characters beside sophia/ellie..in past before amber/Christine he was aligned with sam mother so that path was also gone. And developer has to create new path again with new dates.

 

[ancienregimele]

I have mentioned this earlier.. people voted Dylan because they wanted sophia/ Dylan event to happen first as per initial plot ..they were excited to vote for Dylan / sophia path. They didn't voted Dylan to see Dylan with Ellie/amber/Christine. I hope you get the answer...but it's not the only path for Sophia...there were many path..but among all those they prefer Dylan because he can corrupt sophia more than any other characters of the story. From scene 1 where sophia allowed to sit Dylan on her lap in the car till the last when he asked for vote. So even if it takes an year of developing the game, that path would have lead sophia to more corruption so that they won't have to work on corruption on other path like aiden/ sam, school etc...plus there was twist in path where Dylan enjoyed being a cuckold for Sophia/sam path. Or even in the latest one in barber shop when he didn't mentioned about Sophia's dress (nipslip) and has better incest chances with both sophia and ellie corruption wise...yes LP has mentioned Dylan as second MC but people voted to see more of these contents rather than Dylan amber Christine path. But unfortunately with time that 5/5 rating going down with these side story development. I hope that writer can stick to main path of the story.

Dylan being Sophia's son would, IMO, be the least likely candidate for a corruption route. Attractive, restless, women wanting something different don't usually conclude that their own son is the answer. L&P leaving him until late in the game for consummation even has echoes of the veneer of realism AWAM used to possess.

Incest is so popular & commonplace in porn this century that it's almost as if the so-called "ultimate taboo" no longer exists. Incest in porn has been normalised. It's in a 'craze phase' & has been for a decade. It will stay like this until the next big thing comes along. It's introduced as natural & in Dylan's case, we've now seen the standard, "so much bigger than his father," 'he's a hard-bodied athlete,' "an attractive young man," script insertions that help to inveigle an incestuous son into the role of "date," which ends up with the blood relationship being ignored. Dylan is well on course to being his mother's lover,' as if he was just one of a number of lovers available. There's no psychology or angst behind where this is going, because incest fans don't want that. It's just too complicated & dull. Dylan keeps getting the vote because the fans identify with him. I can almost guarantee that no adults do.

 

[nikypuma]

And again Dylan boring as bat shit

 

[el diablo rojo]

I have mentioned this earlier.. people voted Dylan because they wanted sophia/ Dylan event to happen first as per initial plot ..they were excited to vote for Dylan / sophia path. They didn't voted Dylan to see Dylan with Ellie/amber/Christine. I hope you get the answer...but it's not the only path for Sophia...there were many path..but among all those they prefer Dylan because he can corrupt sophia more than any other characters of the story. From scene 1 where sophia allowed to sit Dylan on her lap in the car till the last when he asked for vote. So even if it takes an year of developing the game, that path would have lead sophia to more corruption so that they won't have to work on corruption on other path like aiden/ sam, school etc...plus there was twist in path where Dylan enjoyed being a cuckold for Sophia/sam path. Or even in the latest one in barber shop when he didn't mentioned about Sophia's dress (nipslip) and has better incest chances with both sophia and ellie corruption wise...yes LP has mentioned Dylan as second MC but people voted to see more of these contents rather than Dylan amber Christine path. But unfortunately with time that 5/5 rating going down with these side story development. I hope that writer can stick to main path of the story. Because of Dylan bullying, sophia was getting more corrupted from school teacher date or posing as a model etc.
inshort Dylan had been chosen to exploit cuckold/incest path for Sophia/ellie mostly for those who wanted more corruption for Sophia. Or story was created in such a way that sophia will get more corrupted around Dylan storyline

And about age group that consume more porn...there are many research papers where you can find on internet ..66% of teen has already seen porn and 18-30 age group consume most porn ...so as you've mentioned you can find those data easily from Google by searching which age group consume most porn stories/movies....it doesn't mean older people don't see it but that's what the data said from few google website...rest developer can create the story as he want to cater all age groups. If someone is older, and get excited by writing than it's on individual fetish.
What I asked for to stick with the basic idea of main storyline and not to create more complexity by adding more and more side route and additional side story with more characters...it will take extra time to create plot again for those characters where the main storyline will be slow with introduction of new characters or Dylan relation progress with other characters beside sophia/ellie..in past before amber/Christine he was aligned with sam mother so that path was also gone. And developer has to create new path again with new dates.

Bruh. Take a deep breath. 58 posts about your unhappiness with porn games in one week is a little intense, no? You seem way too invested. Go for a walk or something.

 

[sophpa]

All of this would be solved if he abandoned the slow burn model and actually built off the tension in story archs rather than backing off for the " cool down " period. He's doing it to himself at this point.

That and stop adding unnecessary scenes. Like the salon scene was completely unnecessary and wasted six months of development time. Barely adding anything to the plot.

Damn its sad that L&P wants to cut side-jobs, i want to see culmination with tutors and old gents

 

[sophpa]

He's publicly said that it is. That was some years ago. AWAM is not being extended indefinitely for nothing. I applaud your 'honesty' concerning 'younger people wanting more sex than an older audience' but wish you'd given a reference to the research that shows this to be the case. AWAM has a large paying audience who vote for Dylan without fail. L&P uses crude, puerile, tweenage language to refer to the "twins" that he's made such a grossly out-sized, centre-piece of the game & it's fully accepted, apparently. [Anyone over 18 using such terms might be on their way to becoming a 40 year old virgin. It's either that, or they're in a large male-only gathering &/or drunk]. Scripts have become simplified. Dylan & co., (virgins expected, {i.e. in teen porn certain}, to satisfy someone more than twice their age), have taken over. These alone do not confirm youth but the patterns observable over the years in relation to AWAM do.

This paying audience collectively part with substantial sums of money, every month but as yet there has been no extra-marital, full-on, penetrative sex. Dream sequences, flashbacks & fantasies don't count because they're not occurring in San Alejo 'real time.' That's in a story billed as a corruption game, after 6 years. There is no mass movement of fans voting with their wallets, ergo, they must be content without the extra-marital sex that was promised but not happening & happy to be teased along, year after year. This does not indicate a young audience clamouring for proper sex scenes, or realising that they have leverage sufficient to obtain delivery, or cause abandonment. Maybe they don't want to risk the latter.

As for myself, I'm part of a dwindling older audience. I read my first porn story in 1965 & have since read or seen all the ludicrous, trash, "porn logic" output that any man needs. Even back then I preferred a good story to basic 'fuck them all' rubbish & I was no intellectual, privately educated, swot but came from a place that is in the poorest 2% of my nation. It's a hard place still. I just wasn't a hard case myself, as my friends & I swapped magazines & novels. We couldn't have afforded to pay for a non-delivering project. As a teenager, I was already bored by the dross. I'm completely certain that many of AWAM's current teen followers feel the same but they continue to subsidise this slow-motion train wreck. I assume hope triumphs over reality.

Speaking as someone with kids older than Sophia, I can say that from my POV it would appear that where AWAM is concerned, it's the older audience that are more than ready for some actual sex. Slow burn is great but there comes a time to ease it off. Sam's event provided a point where this should have happened. What I think of how it actually turned out & why it did, can be seen in my earlier comments.

 

[Couto25]

Bruh. Take a deep breath. 58 posts about your unhappiness with porn games in one week is a little intense, no? You seem way too invested. Go for a walk or something.

Can't man....stuck in front of pc all the time for work...I don't complain about other games..I praise other games those are going good.. it's this game I am disappointed with after all good expectations for long time. Just learning to use daz blender renpy etc platforms so it's good to hang around here. Idk where to complain to developer for free after watching upcoming teaser lol.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Can't man....stuck in front of pc all the time for work...I don't complain about other games..I praise other games those are going good.. it's this game I am disappointed with after all good expectations for long time. Just learning to use daz blender renpy etc platforms so it's good to hang around here. Idk where to complain to developer for free after watching upcoming teaser lol.

Are we going to see you in the Fan Art thread soon?

 

[Couto25]

Are we going to see you in the Fan Art thread soon?

I was a fan of this...but I follow other games nowadays....i am new in developing area so just exploring...and getting to know level of patience of members in this community lol and getting to know after arguments and discussion with few like what most of the members expect from these games.
It will be good for me if to contribute in any project or create one in future for fun as a hobby. Not that soon as I work on something else...but yea before sophia / Dylan final sex ...I think I will contribute something in few games

 

[Golomolo]

Cutting side job IMO was the best thing L&P can do as it was never going to progress to anything. But this should really speed up the game. Also, everything must effect Sophia one way or another. The game is about her, and should focus on her. Having side quests is fine but problem is it takes so long that its affecting the main story. Even with Sophia being in every release, trust me he can have so much content that it could keep on going for years.

There is no need to introduce more new characters, the ones that are there are enough. But the updates should at least be focused to come out no less than 2 months tops. Now it takes so long that many forget what happened in the past, and that is never a good thing. The real problem lies in slow updates, if say this game had 5 to 6 updates in an year, and meaningful updates that progress Sophia's story, that is where game will really begin to take off even further. There is no lack of content, and even without not stretching a single thing, I feel this game can keep going for next 10 years.

 

[Zacko man]

I have mentioned this earlier.. people voted Dylan because they wanted sophia/ Dylan event to happen first as per initial plot ..they were excited to vote for Dylan / sophia path. They didn't voted Dylan to see Dylan with Ellie/amber/Christine. I hope you get the answer...but it's not the only path for Sophia...there were many path..but among all those they prefer Dylan because he can corrupt sophia more than any other characters of the story. From scene 1 where sophia allowed to sit Dylan on her lap in the car till the last when he asked for vote. So even if it takes an year of developing the game, that path would have lead sophia to more corruption so that they won't have to work on corruption on other path like aiden/ sam, school etc...plus there was twist in path where Dylan enjoyed being a cuckold for Sophia/sam path. Or even in the latest one in barber shop when he didn't mentioned about Sophia's dress (nipslip) and has better incest chances with both sophia and ellie corruption wise...yes LP has mentioned Dylan as second MC but people voted to see more of these contents rather than Dylan amber Christine path. But unfortunately with time that 5/5 rating going down with these side story development. I hope that writer can stick to main path of the story. Because of Dylan bullying, sophia was getting more corrupted from school teacher date or posing as a model etc.
inshort Dylan had been chosen to exploit cuckold/incest path for Sophia/ellie mostly for those who wanted more corruption for Sophia. Or story was created in such a way that sophia will get more corrupted around Dylan storyline

And about age group that consume more porn...there are many research papers where you can find on internet ..66% of teen has already seen porn and 18-30 age group consume most porn ...so as you've mentioned you can find those data easily from Google by searching which age group consume most porn stories/movies....it doesn't mean older people don't see it but that's what the data said from few google website...rest developer can create the story as he want to cater all age groups. If someone is older, and get excited by writing than it's on individual fetish.
What I asked for to stick with the basic idea of main storyline and not to create more complexity by adding more and more side route and additional side story with more characters...it will take extra time to create plot again for those characters where the main storyline will be slow with introduction of new characters or Dylan relation progress with other characters beside sophia/ellie..in past before amber/Christine he was aligned with sam mother so that path was also gone. And developer has to create new path again with new dates.

Buddy, enough of sitting in one place and hating Dylan non-stop for a week, get out of the house and get some fresh air, and everything will be fine. And repeat again and again what you said in those 60 posts of yours, don't waste your time, go out and do some work. Also, take a few of your friends here with you, maybe they'll be fine once they get some fresh air like you.

 

[Couto25]

Buddy, enough of sitting in one place and hating Dylan non-stop for a week, get out of the house and get some fresh air, and everything will be fine. And repeat again and again what you said in those 60 posts of yours, don't waste your time, go out and do some work. Also, take a few of your friends here with you, maybe they'll be fine once they get some fresh air like you.

Ohh buddy I apologise if this game is prone to negative opinions...I didn't know that supporters sentiments were getting hurt lol ok I will play sophia as good wife for all supporters from next update onwards

 

[moovigym]

A Wife and Mother (x)
A Son and Daughter (o)

 

[菊花献给党]

These plots come from the second profession and Dylan's route, and without them, the game would be much less fun

 

[hzjujk]

He's publicly said that it is. That was some years ago. AWAM is not being extended indefinitely for nothing. I applaud your 'honesty' concerning 'younger people wanting more sex than an older audience' but wish you'd given a reference to the research that shows this to be the case. AWAM has a large paying audience who vote for Dylan without fail. L&P uses crude, puerile, tweenage language to refer to the "twins" that he's made such a grossly out-sized, centre-piece of the game & it's fully accepted, apparently. [Anyone over 18 using such terms might be on their way to becoming a 40 year old virgin. It's either that, or they're in a large male-only gathering &/or drunk]. Scripts have become simplified. Dylan & co., (virgins expected, {i.e. in teen porn certain}, to satisfy someone more than twice their age), have taken over. These alone do not confirm youth but the patterns observable over the years in relation to AWAM do.
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Just 20 years ago it was more common for older men to take young women as lovers. Now emancipation has also arrived in porn games. Why should an "older" woman take an even older man who sits on the edge of the bed coughing when she wants performance? The young man's lack of experience can be compensated for by his performance and willingness to learn.
Come to terms with it - men our age have had their day and don't do stitches anymore.

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This paying audience collectively part with substantial sums of money, every month but as yet there has been no extra-marital, full-on, penetrative sex. Dream sequences, flashbacks & fantasies don't count because they're not occurring in San Alejo 'real time.' That's in a story billed as a corruption game, after 6 years. There is no mass movement of fans voting with their wallets, ergo, they must be content without the extra-marital sex that was promised but not happening & happy to be teased along, year after year. This does not indicate a young audience clamouring for proper sex scenes, or realising that they have leverage sufficient to obtain delivery, or cause abandonment. Maybe they don't want to risk the latter.
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It's quite worthy, first of all you postulate that most of L&P's supporters are "children" and young people, i.e. they are definitely under 30 years of age (author's assumption). And then you lament the incredible patience of these supporters when it comes to waiting for a sex scene. Isn't patience described as one of the virtues of old age?

 

[hzjujk]

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These plots come from the second profession and Dylan's route, and without them, the game would be much less fun

You are so right!
But still, you won't be able to convince anyone here to play paths they don't like for personal reasons.
And this begins the whole chain of arguments that are so often posted here, but certain paths are left out.
But I must also say clearly that these chains of argument would not exist if the pace of development were significantly higher.

 

[(M RAJJI)]

Are the people who complain about this game every day really financially support L&P?

 

[lokiGod]

Are the people who complain about this game every day really financially support L&P?

Criticizing as an audience ain't no crime

 

[hzjujk]

Are the people who complain about this game every day really financially support L&P?

This forum is now completely decoupled from the developer. Anyone can write anything here without any consequences. The lack of communication skills of ALL those involved led to this.
So no, the majority of people in this thread have never supported L&P or have de-supported it. If you read the last 6580 pages carefully you will understand why this is so.

 

[ItsNotUs]

Are the people who complain about this game every day really financially support L&P?

What a stupid question?
To write on the forum, do you need to support the dev? Lol
Each active user views about a dozen threads of different games, he writes there, communicates, shares his opinion, criticizes and etc. According to your logic, he should be left without pants, support all the projects he likes so that he can write in them!