VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Whitekink]

AWAM is now a series of dissociated events, not a coherent story.

Sophia has No introspection about what she is doing with Dylan when she is with Sam, nor vice versa.

She only has thoughts associated with the feelings for an individual scene and the path it is associated with, as though she is either a super spy or a sociopath who can compartmentalize her feelings and lock them in a box as soon as she puts the scene in the review mirror.

You're looking at this from your point of view, not the characters (Sophia's).

You have obviously taken both the Sam and Dylan routes and then merged them as though they're one.

The character, Sophia, can only take one route, either or, therefore she can't have thoughts about what she's done with Sam if she's taken the Dylan route, and vice-versa.

 

[l0v3rman]

 

[crwatcher]

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And Dylan does not know the secret-word

 

[McZoy]

Who wouldn't be satisfied with 40+ years of development time for a porn game.

Me

 

[McZoy]

why do you discuss over and over again the topic of how people manage their own money? for me, this $65.5 is just dust in the wind

Hi, I believe that we should show respect to forum members coming from low income countries. KR

 

[Alley_Cat]

You're looking at this from your point of view, not the characters (Sophia's).

You have obviously taken both the Sam and Dylan routes and then merged them as though they're one.

The character, Sophia, can only take one route, either or, therefore she can't have thoughts about what she's done with Sam if she's taken the Dylan route, and vice-versa.

When did the Sam and Dylan routes become mutually exclusive? I always thought it was more that fans didn't like the other character.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

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Ellie to save her poor little brother

 

[palmtrees89]

When did the Sam and Dylan routes become mutually exclusive? I always thought it was more that fans didn't like the other character.

I thought so too. I believe the player can be on both routes, but I could be wrong. Been...well, basically 2 years since I've touched my own playthroughs as there's no content for them. I'm a gallery-gamer these days. lol

 

[Whitekink]

When did the Sam and Dylan routes become mutually exclusive? I always thought it was more that fans didn't like the other character.

Well, I ran the Dylan route with Amber in the kitchen, Sophia and Sam in his bedroom and didn't get an option for the Sophia and Dylan bathtub scene, so...?!

Maybe there are other options to take, to get both scenes in one route, but it seems unlikely...otherwise, as said, she would be thinking of her actions with both of them?.....and the same would go for Dylan's thoughts. "Wow! I'm having fun with two MILF'S!"

 

[Bibifoc]

Well, I ran the Dylan route with Amber in the kitchen, Sophia and Sam in his bedroom and didn't get an option for the Sophia and Dylan bathtub scene, so...?!

Maybe there are other options to take, to get both scenes in one route, but it seems unlikely...otherwise, as said, she would be thinking of her actions with both of them?.....and the same would go for Dylan's thoughts. "Wow! I'm having fun with two MILF'S!"

You're on Dylan/Amber route, not Dylan/Sophia. This last is compatible with Sam/Sophia, at least for now.

 

[Whitekink]

You're on Dylan/Amber route, not Dylan/Sophia. This last is compatible with Sam/Sophia, at least for now.

I stand corrected, thanks.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Well, I ran the Dylan route with Amber in the kitchen, Sophia and Sam in his bedroom and didn't get an option for the Sophia and Dylan bathtub scene, so...?!

Maybe there are other options to take, to get both scenes in one route, but it seems unlikely...otherwise, as said, she would be thinking of her actions with both of them?.....and the same would go for Dylan's thoughts. "Wow! I'm having fun with two MILF'S!"

Like Bibifoc said, you can only get the scenes with Amber if you send Dylan to boarding school, so have left the main Dylan route. Nothing to do at all with playing the Sam route or not.

I do find it curious listening to many complaining about how the routes are so disconnected, when I've had the completely opposite experience. During the Yoga event, Sophia muses about how relaxed she is about getting naked now, having shown her boobs to several women that day. And Ellie commenting on how nice and quiet it is without Dylan around.

But then I also don't play the routes people are complaining about, so I don't know. I'll have to see if I feel the same way after the next Ellie event.

 

[Whitekink]

Like Bibifoc said, you can only get the scenes with Amber if you send Dylan to boarding school, so have left the main Dylan route. Nothing to do at all with playing the Sam route or not.

I do find it curious listening to many complaining about how the routes are so disconnected, when I've had the completely opposite experience. During the Yoga event, Sophia muses about how relaxed she is about getting naked now, having shown her boobs to several women that day. And Ellie commenting on how nice and quiet it is without Dylan around.

But then I also don't play the routes people are complaining about, so I don't know. I'll have to see if I feel the same way after the next Ellie event.

I'll have to go back and play that route, if I can find it!...and, in which case, I agree with PaxHadrian17's comments.

I have to say, I get lost if there are too many routes to play (and confused, as above!), especially with large time spans between updates (no, I'm not getting into that debate!).

Maybe you've got the right idea and just play one or two routes!?

 

[Alley_Cat]

I'll have to go back and play that route, if I can find it!...and, in which case, I agree with PaxHadrian17's comments.

I have to say, I get lost if there are too many routes to play (and confused, as above!), especially with large time spans between updates (no, I'm not getting into that debate!).

Maybe you've got the right idea and just play one route!

Actually I play two - the Ellie and Patricia routes. The only problem is that particularly for PDs like this one, there is little point downloading the updates. Last update I even played was v.155, and that was about 45 seconds of content.

But this does have the advantage of simplicity, since none of the content I play is mutually exclusive like the Dylan route is. It also cuts down on the amount of saves I need. The only reason I have multiple saves is for when a new person wants to play say the Ellie/Jules event.

 

[kadgilek]

i want see sophia gets fucked by sam, if i want see teenagers play bottle game i go watch american pie better than that

 

[DemonLad]

i want see sophia gets fucked by sam, if i want see teenagers play bottle game i go watch american pie better than that

That's gonna happen surely.

Gonna happen in ten years from now.

 

[DarthSpitz717]

Actually I play two - the Ellie and Patricia routes. The only problem is that particularly for PDs like this one, there is little point downloading the updates. Last update I even played was v.155, and that was about 45 seconds of content.

But this does have the advantage of simplicity, since none of the content I play is mutually exclusive like the Dylan route is. It also cuts down on the amount of saves I need. The only reason I have multiple saves is for when a new person wants to play say the Ellie/Jules event.

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K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) has a value on its own but has a weakness all its own within this game. Simplification does move the story along faster, but in this case, it loses all the early appeal the game had in the beginning. To be sure some of the opening routes where a nothing burger to look forward to (the movers, the janitor, and etc.). While others were eagerly anticipated. You mentioned Jules/Ellie and damn you are right. Jules/Ellie would have made for one hell of a subplot that could have roped Sophia in it as it sort of did in the beginning.

The game is getting down to oversimplification. Worst we are getting to a point where it's getting too predictable. In the beginning we really didn't know what is coming next and we sat back and played, looking for hidden nuggets or finding new interests. Losing the side jobs is a big mistake because the side jobs were introduced and are part of the whole. Now there will be a gap. Where the Movers was perhaps a route in the beginning, they were not developed, and it was a good way to introduce Sophia.

I finally concluded that yes the lack of updates and timely releases are the roots of the problem

 

[Alley_Cat]

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K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) has a value on its own but has a weakness all its own within this game. Simplification does move the story along faster, but in this case, it loses all the early appeal the game had in the beginning. To be sure some of the opening routes where a nothing burger to look forward to (the movers, the janitor, and etc.). While others were eagerly anticipated. You mentioned Jules/Ellie and damn you are right. Jules/Ellie would have made for one hell of a subplot that could have roped Sophia in it as it sort of did in the beginning.

The game is getting down to oversimplification. Worst we are getting to a point where it's getting too predictable. In the beginning we really didn't know what is coming next and we sat back and played, looking for hidden nuggets or finding new interests. Losing the side jobs is a big mistake because the side jobs were introduced and are part of the whole. Now there will be a gap. Where the Movers was perhaps a route in the beginning, they were not developed, and it was a good way to introduce Sophia.

I finally concluded that yes the lack of updates and timely releases are the roots of the problem

How do the side jobs contribute to Sophia's corruption? At all? It's entirely possible to either not wear the nurse outfit for the old farts, or not teach sex ed to the kids. Sure it might be enjoyable content for those that are into those kinks, but that's not the point. Like the Coach Sophia storyline, the side jobs are better off as DLC once L&P has a finished game under his belt. The sex ed classes also don't pass the Pub Test, so are highly likely to cause problems for a Steam release. I suspect L&P knows this but wont admit it. An attempt to speed up progress is a lot more palatable.

The movers were never going to be a route. That much was clear from the walkthrough, since they don't get a highlight. They don't get relationship points. L&P was even abundantly clear they were only going to return at the end of the game. Their only point was to get the ball rolling for Filthy points. Many of the minor characters like the subway thugs, or Janitor Clarke are like that. Even Bennett and possibly Aiden are heading in that direction. Aiden is probably too popular for L&P to openly admit it though.

Jules still does have a chance though. Her next appearance is I believe on PD16 for Ellie Day. And we've already seen that Ellie can use Jules to further her chances with Sophia.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

How do the side jobs contribute to Sophia's corruption? At all? It's entirely possible to either not wear the nurse outfit for the old farts, or not teach sex ed to the kids. Sure it might be enjoyable content for those that are into those kinks, but that's not the point. Like the Coach Sophia storyline, the side jobs are better off as DLC once L&P has a finished game under his belt. The sex ed classes also don't pass the Pub Test, so are highly likely to cause problems for a Steam release. I suspect L&P knows this but wont admit it. An attempt to speed up progress is a lot more palatable.

The movers were never going to be a route. That much was clear from the walkthrough, since they don't get a highlight. They don't get relationship points. L&P was even abundantly clear they were only going to return at the end of the game. Their only point was to get the ball rolling for Filthy points. Many of the minor characters like the subway thugs, or Janitor Clarke are like that. Even Bennett and possibly Aiden are heading in that direction. Aiden is probably too popular for L&P to openly admit it though.

Jules still does have a chance though. Her next appearance is I believe on PD16 for Ellie Day. And we've already seen that Ellie can use Jules to further her chances with Sophia.

Janitor Clark is right after the big 6 in the popularity chart with 109 votes while Alyssa doesn’t have even half of his votes (48). If it goes by popular vote then Janitor Clark needs more screen time and it is to wonder someone how Alyssa is competing Ellie at par on Sophia’s lesbian corruption!

Don’t get me wrong, I like Alyssa’s route (honestly more than Ellie’s)!

The above controversy allows me to conclude that LP is either:
- following his own original path ignoring the popular vote or
- the popular vote will shape the future events soon

Let’s see!

 

[Alley_Cat]

Janitor Clark is right after the big 6 in the popularity chart with 109 votes while Alyssa doesn’t have even half of his votes (48). If it goes by popular vote then Janitor Clark needs more screen time and it is to wonder someone how Alyssa is competing Ellie at par on Sophia’s lesbian corruption!

Don’t get me wrong, I like Alyssa’s route (honestly more than Ellie’s)!

The above controversy allows me to conclude that LP is either:
- following his own original path ignoring the popular vote or
- the popular vote will shape the future events soon

Let’s see!

If it goes by popular vote, then Ellie should have about the same screentime as Dylan. She clearly doesn't. By my count Ellie only has half the number of events that Dylan does. And her events are only a fraction of the size.

But as I've said ad nauseam, Ellie events get to hot content early. 40 renders to get both Parker women naked during the last Ellie shower.

Ellie's even the next one in with a chance to be the first to get Sophia off. As far as I'm aware neither Sam or Dylan managed to achieve it this PD.