VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[PaxHadrian17]

Haters when they see this answer

you got a bounty on your head from the hate brigade

Welcome to the club

AWAM is now a series of dissociated events, not a coherent story.

Sophia has No introspection about what she is doing with Dylan when she is with Sam, nor vice versa.

She only has thoughts associated with the feelings for an individual scene and the path it is associated with, as though she is either a super spy or a sociopath who can compartmentalize her feelings and lock them in a box as soon as she puts the scene in the review mirror.

The images are very well done - something I have Always acknowledged and commented on.

Development speed Is getting slower and 2.5 Years RL/one PD - the current development speed (using the word 'speed' here feels like a non sequitur...) is ridiculous, IMO.


To provide perspective, if you live in the U.S. and you're currently 21 years old, an AWAM completion date > 2065* means that you will be eligible for social security (retirement after 40 years of work) BEFORE you can actually watch the complete 30 PDs of AWAM.


As a former supporter - I got tired of L&P's broken promises - and I voted with my $ and left Patreon And SubscribeStar.

Do I still enjoy the scenes he creates? Yes.

Does he act like a child with his Rat quests? Yes.

Is Sophia still the intriguing Wife and Mother I found when I started playing AWAM pre-2020? No.

Do I think AWAM will ever be completed by L&P at the rate of 2.5 years RL/PD? No

You and other supporters (or alt accounts since hidden profiles make this difficult to discern) can defend his development practices all you want.

Your disagreement does not change the reality of the currently Very slow development speed and the corollary of that speed -- an AVN that is not complete until some RL year > 2065.

Rather than label me as a hater due to my disagreements (and my explanation WHY I feel this way), tell me all the Pro's and Con's of AWAM and address why this development speed is just fine.

This is what would be called an even-handed discussion.

We might not find much agreement - that is fine - but I have ended good discussions with an 'agree to disagree' and never was the Hate label applied to either party in those discussions.

Cheers!!



* (AWAM trajectory for completion at 2.5 years/PD * 17 PDs using PD 14 starting in the RL year 2024 = RL 2066)

 

[palmtrees89]

AWAM is now a series of dissociated events, not a coherent story.

Sophia has No introspection about what she is doing with Dylan when she is with Sam, nor vice versa.

She only has thoughts associated with the feelings for an individual scene and the path it is associated with, as though she is either a super spy or a sociopath who can compartmentalize her feelings and lock them in a box as soon as she puts the scene in the review mirror.

The images are very well done - something I have Always acknowledged and commented on.

Development speed Is getting slower and 2.5 Years RL/one PD - the current development speed (using the word speed here feels like a non sequitur...) is ridiculous, IMO.


To provide perspective, if you live in the U.S. and you're currently 21 years old, an AWAM completion date > 2065* means that you will be eligible for social security (retirement after 40 years of work) BEFORE you can actually watch the complete 30 PDs of AWAM.


As a former supporter - I got tired of L&P's broken promises - and I voted with my $ and left Patreon And SubscribeStar.

Do I still enjoy the scenes he creates? Yes.

Does he act like a child with his Rat quests? Yes.

Is Sophia still the intriguing Wife and Mother I found when I started playing AWAM pre-2020? No.

Do I think AWAM will ever be completed by L&P at the rate of 2.5 years RL/PD? No

You and other supporters (or alt accounts since hidden profiles make this difficult to discern) can defend his development practices all you want.

Your disagreement does not change the reality of the currently Very slow development speed and the corollary of that speed -- an AVN that is not complete until some RL year > 2065.

Rather than label me as a hater due to my disagreements (and my explanation WHY I feel this way), tell me all the Pro's and Con's of AWAM and address why this development speed is just fine.

This is what would be called an even-handed discussion.

We might not find much agreement - that is fine - but I have ended good discussions with an 'agree to disagree' and never was the Hate label applied to either party in those discussions.

Cheers!!



* (AWAM trajectory for completion at 2.5 years/PD * 17 PDs using PD 14 starting in the RL year 2024 = RL 2066)

His reply is gonna be along the lines of "Why not leave if you don't like it?", entirely missing your points aswell as having zero arguments himself. Either that, a facepalm or he'll ignore it altogether.

 

[PushMyButton]

Если тизеры размещены в хронологическом порядке, означает ли это, что Элли больше не враждует с девочками?:закатывать глаза:
[/ЦИТИРОВАТЬ]
может да, может быть, нет, там это будет видно

 

[PushMyButton]

девочки заметили, что маленький друг Дилана проснулся?:РОФЛМАО:
[/ЦИТИРОВАТЬ]

мы решили его усыпить, а то 3 девчонки с двумя не справятся:РОФЛМАО:

 

[PaxHadrian17]

His reply is gonna be along the lines of "Why not leave if you don't like it?", entirely missing your points aswell as having zero arguments himself. Either that, a facepalm or he'll ignore it altogether.

If he replies as part of a genuine discussion, that's great.

If he ignores the post or just throws out a facepalm, I've at least provided a reasoned response to his 'Hate' label for those new to the thread so that they can better decide who is being reasonable and who is not.

There is a bit of a win-win in there.

Cheers!!

 

[Whitekink]

AWAM is now a series of dissociated events, not a coherent story.

Sophia has No introspection about what she is doing with Dylan when she is with Sam, nor vice versa.

She only has thoughts associated with the feelings for an individual scene and the path it is associated with, as though she is either a super spy or a sociopath who can compartmentalize her feelings and lock them in a box as soon as she puts the scene in the review mirror.

You're looking at this from your point of view, not the characters (Sophia's).

You have obviously taken both the Sam and Dylan routes and then merged them as though they're one.

The character, Sophia, can only take one route, either or, therefore she can't have thoughts about what she's done with Sam if she's taken the Dylan route, and vice-versa.

 

[l0v3rman]

 

[crwatcher]

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And Dylan does not know the secret-word

 

[McZoy]

Who wouldn't be satisfied with 40+ years of development time for a porn game.

Me

 

[McZoy]

why do you discuss over and over again the topic of how people manage their own money? for me, this $65.5 is just dust in the wind

Hi, I believe that we should show respect to forum members coming from low income countries. KR

 

[Alley_Cat]

You're looking at this from your point of view, not the characters (Sophia's).

You have obviously taken both the Sam and Dylan routes and then merged them as though they're one.

The character, Sophia, can only take one route, either or, therefore she can't have thoughts about what she's done with Sam if she's taken the Dylan route, and vice-versa.

When did the Sam and Dylan routes become mutually exclusive? I always thought it was more that fans didn't like the other character.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

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Ellie to save her poor little brother

 

[palmtrees89]

When did the Sam and Dylan routes become mutually exclusive? I always thought it was more that fans didn't like the other character.

I thought so too. I believe the player can be on both routes, but I could be wrong. Been...well, basically 2 years since I've touched my own playthroughs as there's no content for them. I'm a gallery-gamer these days. lol

 

[Whitekink]

When did the Sam and Dylan routes become mutually exclusive? I always thought it was more that fans didn't like the other character.

Well, I ran the Dylan route with Amber in the kitchen, Sophia and Sam in his bedroom and didn't get an option for the Sophia and Dylan bathtub scene, so...?!

Maybe there are other options to take, to get both scenes in one route, but it seems unlikely...otherwise, as said, she would be thinking of her actions with both of them?.....and the same would go for Dylan's thoughts. "Wow! I'm having fun with two MILF'S!"

 

[Bibifoc]

Well, I ran the Dylan route with Amber in the kitchen, Sophia and Sam in his bedroom and didn't get an option for the Sophia and Dylan bathtub scene, so...?!

Maybe there are other options to take, to get both scenes in one route, but it seems unlikely...otherwise, as said, she would be thinking of her actions with both of them?.....and the same would go for Dylan's thoughts. "Wow! I'm having fun with two MILF'S!"

You're on Dylan/Amber route, not Dylan/Sophia. This last is compatible with Sam/Sophia, at least for now.

 

[Whitekink]

You're on Dylan/Amber route, not Dylan/Sophia. This last is compatible with Sam/Sophia, at least for now.

I stand corrected, thanks.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Well, I ran the Dylan route with Amber in the kitchen, Sophia and Sam in his bedroom and didn't get an option for the Sophia and Dylan bathtub scene, so...?!

Maybe there are other options to take, to get both scenes in one route, but it seems unlikely...otherwise, as said, she would be thinking of her actions with both of them?.....and the same would go for Dylan's thoughts. "Wow! I'm having fun with two MILF'S!"

Like Bibifoc said, you can only get the scenes with Amber if you send Dylan to boarding school, so have left the main Dylan route. Nothing to do at all with playing the Sam route or not.

I do find it curious listening to many complaining about how the routes are so disconnected, when I've had the completely opposite experience. During the Yoga event, Sophia muses about how relaxed she is about getting naked now, having shown her boobs to several women that day. And Ellie commenting on how nice and quiet it is without Dylan around.

But then I also don't play the routes people are complaining about, so I don't know. I'll have to see if I feel the same way after the next Ellie event.

 

[Whitekink]

Like Bibifoc said, you can only get the scenes with Amber if you send Dylan to boarding school, so have left the main Dylan route. Nothing to do at all with playing the Sam route or not.

I do find it curious listening to many complaining about how the routes are so disconnected, when I've had the completely opposite experience. During the Yoga event, Sophia muses about how relaxed she is about getting naked now, having shown her boobs to several women that day. And Ellie commenting on how nice and quiet it is without Dylan around.

But then I also don't play the routes people are complaining about, so I don't know. I'll have to see if I feel the same way after the next Ellie event.

I'll have to go back and play that route, if I can find it!...and, in which case, I agree with PaxHadrian17's comments.

I have to say, I get lost if there are too many routes to play (and confused, as above!), especially with large time spans between updates (no, I'm not getting into that debate!).

Maybe you've got the right idea and just play one or two routes!?

 

[Alley_Cat]

I'll have to go back and play that route, if I can find it!...and, in which case, I agree with PaxHadrian17's comments.

I have to say, I get lost if there are too many routes to play (and confused, as above!), especially with large time spans between updates (no, I'm not getting into that debate!).

Maybe you've got the right idea and just play one route!

Actually I play two - the Ellie and Patricia routes. The only problem is that particularly for PDs like this one, there is little point downloading the updates. Last update I even played was v.155, and that was about 45 seconds of content.

But this does have the advantage of simplicity, since none of the content I play is mutually exclusive like the Dylan route is. It also cuts down on the amount of saves I need. The only reason I have multiple saves is for when a new person wants to play say the Ellie/Jules event.

 

[kadgilek]

i want see sophia gets fucked by sam, if i want see teenagers play bottle game i go watch american pie better than that