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VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

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hzjujk said:
No, it doesn't need to. But it makes the game and the story more "experienceable", "smoother", more pleasant to read, a little closer to reality - I have no idea how to describe it.
I know that we have completely different points of view here, but I think it's right!
The opposite of this is APM, in which entire (long) dialogues are told with one or two pictures. You can do it that way too, but beautifully told is something different for me.
As I said, we won't agree on this.
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There are plenty of non-adult novels that make better reading than this. There are better TEXTBOOKS and technical manuals to read than her endless internal dialogue and fully clothed renders. Like those movies that won't just get to the point. There's a reason people play these games and this one is sorely lacking. I'm glad I dropped patronage years ago due to the lack of sex scenes, but didn't think it would go THIS long, or he'd have been able to just keep milking. As long as he keeps getting all that he has no incentive to add sex scenes, so it will just be more boring stuff for the rest of his life most likely.

Also, WTF is APM?
 
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A bundle of 120 is also one update, and a bundle of 400 is also one update.
Also, some updates take 1 month and some take 4 months.

It has value as information only if the number and period of renderings per update are uniform, and your words are completely worthless right now.

And I don't see all your posts. (of course)
I only look at the posts I quote.

I just graphed the existing “number of renders per period”.

I rate your level very low, but I never imagined I would have to explain this to you.
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Sorry, he asked a reasonable question. He did it in a respectful way.
All you can do is get pissed off because you know you weren't careful enough, and you start throwing insults around.
Oh, and even though I don't agree 100% with OZtheW1ZARD on all points, he made reasonable and understandable arguments. Because unlike the two of us, he seems to know more about working on a visual story than we do.
 
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hzjujk said:
Sorry, he asked a reasonable question. He did it in a respectful way.
All you can do is get pissed off because you know you weren't careful enough, and you start throwing insults around.
Oh, and even though I don't agree 100% with OZtheW1ZARD on all points, he made reasonable and understandable arguments. Because unlike the two of us, he seems to know more about working on a visual story than we do.
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What he “knows” and what he is “reasonable” are two entirely different things.

And what do you think his reasonable argument is?
 
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FullyAnimated said:
A Perfect Marriage.
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Meh, looked it up. Hate multiple protagonist games. Much better female protag games - like Project Myrian and Victoria in the Big City. Ones that actually have sex scenes without blueballing. This one and Jessica O'Neils Hard News are the bad ones - all yakking and no sex. Also, that fucking internal dialogue - it's boring. I don't get why people like boring games. Not talking about a dev actually called "Boring Games" as his are not.
 
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OZtheW1ZARD said:
Nope, fuck it. I have not looked at that summary properly before but it clearly shows a fairly stable stream of content.
The only slowdowns is when he introduces animations or reworks something. There is only one update when things get slower when this is not the case. There is clear drop in renders per day when he switched to part 2, but that comes with better looking game (quality increase - I guess it does have an impact after all.)
Updates get longer because there is more stuff in them. The numbers don't lie. I will also address all your points from the post individually so you stop crying:



Yes, this update also contains 4 animations that are 44s in length. Naturally this will lower the renders per seconds. The point I did raise in my original statement - renders/s value drops with every update containing animations.



No it absolutely does, because he can't just dish out the whole PD in a single update. This is impossible. Again PD1 and 2 together contained 900+ renders, PD13 consistent of 3500+. You expect him to do it in a single update? PD1 is way smaller than PD13 so of course it will take less time to complete. Compering them directly like in that chart and using as a proof of slowing development is stupid. It would only work if each PD had the same length and amount of content. Only then you can use that chart.



See above, also this is just your speculation and most of the time does not apply to creative work. From my own experience I spend roughly the same amount of time on a project. When I started years ago, something like this would take me 20 hours of work:
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Now 20h gets me here:
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and initial "sketch" like the one above only takes 30 minutes. Also worth pointing out that 20h and it is still not done. Still detailing and some correction left. Her face looks slightly off for example. The point I was rising all the time is quality does take time.

Also, thank you for proving my point. I should have looked into that summary earlier.
Anyway you all need a chill pill, because it is only going to get worse as the PD get bigger and bigger and contain more content, the updates will get smaller and smaller. That is the truth.

Additionally this is how it looks when developer does f all and just milks their fanbase:

https://f95zone.to/threads/lust-campus-c3-final-redlolly.64103/
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It seems you're having a really hard time understanding what I'm saying. Might aswell talk to a wall.

Your drawings and the point you're trying to make with them is hilarious aswell, as you're quite literally saying that both took the same time, except one is better than the other due to you having more experience. Which is exactly what I was getting at. You pretty much dunked on yourself with that one. lol

You're also admitting that L&P is apparently a liar when he says updates with animations aren't causing any delays. Glad to hear! Mainly because he himself says that he has a guy who is doing the animations, not himself. Kinda odd, no? Considering you noticed how those updates are usually much slower...I mean...Do I have to say more? :LOL:

Also, I've never said L&P is supposed to release a PD in 1 update either. Goes to show even more that you don't understand what I'm saying. I've also never said that PD13 were supposed to take the same amount of time as PD1+2, as you figured out yourself that there's a massive difference in renders. Never used the time difference in those PD's as proof for anything. We are talking about development speed, not the amount of renders in any particular PD. Might aswell wanna read that part again, tho I don't have much hope left for you to understand anything, really...Talking about stupid.

You keep saying that the game looks better in part 02, hence the drop in speed. I literally told you multiple times that's not really the case, told you to look at renders from ~2021 (not PD 1+2, not 3+4, not 5+6 and so on...duh), told you about AI, told you that he's pushing the limits of DAZ for years. Nothing seems to get through to you, and you once again ignored that part entirely to fit your narrative.

Regarding the last part... Why would updates get smaller when PD's get bigger? How does that make sense? Unless you're trying to say that an update covers less time of the day for this PD if it's got more content, which that I could agree with. But as I said before, that's not a sustainable way of doing things if L&P ever wants to finish this game, which by the way last time he said he wouldn't want to work on it for another 10 years....Problem with that is, the pace is constantly getting worse and there are 17 PD's left which at his current pace would take somewhere between 45-55 years.

Kinda cute reading your stuff tho. Still so innocent and naive...You'll get there eventually. Give it some time and maybe you'll think straight. :)
 
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palmtrees89 said:
It seems you're having a really hard time understanding what I'm saying. Might aswell talk to a wall.

Your drawings and the point you're trying to make with them is hilarious aswell, as you're quite literally saying that both took the same time, except one is better than the other due to you having more experience. Which is exactly what I was getting at. You pretty much dunked on yourself with that one. lol

You're also admitting that L&P is apparently a liar when he says updates with animations aren't causing any delays. Glad to hear! Mainly because he himself says that he has a guy who is doing the animations, not himself. Kinda odd, no? Considering you noticed how those updates are usually much slower...I mean...Do I have to say more? :LOL:

Also, I've never said L&P is supposed to release a PD in 1 update either. Goes to show even more that you don't understand what I'm saying. I've also never said that PD13 were supposed to take the same amount of time as PD1+2, as you figured out yourself that there's a massive difference in renders. Never used the time difference in those PD's as proof for anything. We are talking about development speed, not the amount of renders in any particular PD. Might aswell wanna read that part again, tho I don't have much hope left for you to understand anything, really...Talking about stupid.

You keep saying that the game looks better in part 02, hence the drop in speed. I literally told you multiple times that's not really the case, told you to look at renders from ~2021 (not PD 1+2, not 3+4, not 5+6 and so on...duh), told you about AI, told you that he's pushing the limits of DAZ for years. Nothing seems to get through to you, and you once again ignored that part entirely to fit your narrative.

Regarding the last part... Why would updates get smaller when PD's get bigger? How does that make sense? Unless you're trying to say that an update covers less time of the day for this PD if it's got more content, which that I could agree with. But as I said before, that's not a sustainable way of doing things if L&P ever wants to finish this game, which by the way last time he said he wouldn't want to work on it for another 10 years....Problem with that is, the pace is constantly getting worse and there are 17 PD's left which at his current pace would take somewhere between 45-55 years.

Kinda cute reading your stuff tho. Still so innocent and naive...You'll get there eventually. Give it some time and maybe you'll think straight. :)
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I always have a chuckle whenever I read this line from L&P.
He says updates with animations aren't causing any delays.
 
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palmtrees89 said:
It seems you're having a really hard time understanding what I'm saying. Might aswell talk to a wall.

Your drawings and the point you're trying to make with them is hilarious aswell, as you're quite literally saying that both took the same time, except one is better than the other due to you having more experience. Which is exactly what I was getting at. You pretty much dunked on yourself with that one. lol

You're also admitting that L&P is apparently a liar when he says updates with animations aren't causing any delays. Glad to hear! Mainly because he himself says that he has a guy who is doing the animations, not himself. Kinda odd, no? Considering you noticed how those updates are usually much slower...I mean...Do I have to say more? :LOL:

Also, I've never said L&P is supposed to release a PD in 1 update either. Goes to show even more that you don't understand what I'm saying. I've also never said that PD13 were supposed to take the same amount of time as PD1+2, as you figured out yourself that there's a massive difference in renders. Never used the time difference in those PD's as proof for anything. We are talking about development speed, not the amount of renders in any particular PD. Might aswell wanna read that part again, tho I don't have much hope left for you to understand anything, really...Talking about stupid.

You keep saying that the game looks better in part 02, hence the drop in speed. I literally told you multiple times that's not really the case, told you to look at renders from ~2021 (not PD 1+2, not 3+4, not 5+6 and so on...duh), told you about AI, told you that he's pushing the limits of DAZ for years. Nothing seems to get through to you, and you once again ignored that part entirely to fit your narrative.

Regarding the last part... Why would updates get smaller when PD's get bigger? How does that make sense? Unless you're trying to say that an update covers less time of the day for this PD if it's got more content, which that I could agree with. But as I said before, that's not a sustainable way of doing things if L&P ever wants to finish this game, which by the way last time he said he wouldn't want to work on it for another 10 years....Problem with that is, the pace is constantly getting worse and there are 17 PD's left which at his current pace would take somewhere between 45-55 years.

Kinda cute reading your stuff tho. Still so innocent and naive...You'll get there eventually. Give it some time and maybe you'll think straight. :)
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No, no. What happened here is that you quoted a chart thinking it proves something and I have shown you how it does not. I have then pointed you towards a summary that indicates, that AWAM is actually getting updated at a fairly steady pace, but you either do not understand what I am saying or are choosing to ignore it.
That is fine, you have the right to be ignorant.
 
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No,because the animations are done 1 or 2 updates in advance.
Don't forget that's what the dev have promised.
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I was talking about the Sophia/Sam update two years ago. Someone asked him if there would be a delay, and his response was this.

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Who the hell is giving vote to ELLIE??
 
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OZtheW1ZARD said:
No, no. What happened here is that you quoted a chart thinking it proves something and I have shown you how it does not. I have then pointed you towards a summary that indicates, that AWAM is actually getting updated at a fairly steady pace, but you either do not understand what I am saying or are choosing to ignore it.
That is fine, you have the right to be ignorant.
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Maybe the last couple of updates but in general its just as bad as its always been.
 
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