VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Bishop Robert]

According to patreon, L&P used to be a student with part-time job before reaching the goals listed on his patreon page.

Goal 3 of 4 - "I'll quit my side job so I can spend even more time developing the game!
Furthermore, I'll try to hire someone to help me out with the project!"

Goal 4 of 4 - "AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If this high goal is really achieved someday:
I cancel all my college courses and devote all my time to my passion of (adult) game development!
I'll give my hardware a massive "face-lift", primarily to render faster and switch from 720p to 1080p quality!"

The final goal was reached in early spring this year I believe, so he's supposedly putting even more time into the development of the game. The results are questionable to say the least. lol

Ah

And I guess the kid part was a different dev I'm thinking of.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Writing your own story is different and continuing someone else's story is totally different. The new artist will have to take a long haitus firstly to write a story, then dialogues, planning a numerous scenarios with characters.

brotha that's what L&P is doing already. do you think there's any script done? nope.
one of the reasons he takes so long is that he has no clue what he's going to do until he picks the environment and starts working on the scene, everything is made up on the spot.

 

[palmtrees89]

End of the day, I just want to see more stuff in the classroom but I sadly think tasks are done there now.

This. I was really hoping for more tasks to take place in the school. There's so many possibilities. An obvious one would be Sophia having to insert a vibrator, and Aiden using a remote control to drive her insane during one of the classes. Another one could involve Sophia without panties and miniskirt, having to flash some of the students or something like that. The art-class in the recent update wasn't really my thing. Oh well, one can only dream.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

This. I was really hoping for more tasks taking place in the school. There's so many possibilities. An obvious one would be Sophia having to insert a vibrator, and Aiden using a remote control to drive her insane during one of the classes. Another one could involve Sophia without panties and miniskirt, having to flash some of the students or something like that. The art-class in the recent update wasn't really my thing. Oh well, one can only dream.

all the tasks are going to be in new places now so he has to take a 1 month spiritual hiatus before he starts developing the scene just to decide where to place a pencil, a buch, a pigeon etc..

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

The Aiden tasks are the most fun part of AWAM, so I hope it's a choice to end or not, but at the same time, I agree with Hlector. At some point, Sophia's character arc has to move forward and there needs to be a change in the reasoning why she doing them.

I hope Morello isn't the reason why but what you say makes sense KillJoys, I think a choice between Morello or Aiden makes sense.

The only other thing I can think of is Patricia gets involved, I suspect Patricia and her husband is very well connected. Maybe a choice between Patricia getting involved or not, doubt it but we can hope lol

End of the day, I just want to see more stuff in the classroom but I sadly think tasks are done there now.

I don't see a scenario in which Sophia doesn't eventually relent to Aiden and his tasks. This has been discussed countless times, and once she does it will no longer truly be blackmail, but to complete his tasks I see no other alternative.

It'll be interesting to see how L&P handles the second opportunity to end the storyline with Aiden. If the first is "comfortable" and the second is "uncomfortable" I wonder if the second option will require sex. I believe it's scheduled late enough in the game after Sophia has already begun to cheat on Liam. I could see an interesting development where Sophia can choose to end the tasks early and have sex with Aiden, thus ending the blackmail but making her more open to cheating, or she can refuse to have sex with him and continue the blackmail and follow it deeper into corruption. It could lead to lots of different options late in the game and be a pivotal moment in her development.

 

[palmtrees89]

all the tasks are going to be in new places now so he has to take a 1 month spiritual hiatus before he starts developing the scene just to decide where to place a pencil, a buch, a pigeon etc..

Yeah, that's probably what's going to happen unfortunately. I don't really see many more tasks to come anyway before he's throwing the towel aka the pockets are full.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I don't see a scenario in which Sophia doesn't eventually relent to Aiden and his tasks. This has been discussed countless times, and once she does it will no longer truly be blackmail, but to complete his tasks I see no other alternative.

It'll be interesting to see how L&P handles the second opportunity to end the storyline with Aiden. If the first is "comfortable" and the second is "uncomfortable" I wonder if the second option will require sex. I believe it's scheduled late enough in the game after Sophia has already begun to cheat on Liam. I could see an interesting development where Sophia can choose to end the tasks early and have sex with Aiden, thus ending the blackmail but making her more open to cheating, or she can refuse to have sex with him and continue the blackmail and follow it deeper into corruption. It could lead to lots of different options late in the game and be a pivotal moment in her development.

I believe the second uncomfortable will not be sex at all because it is due on playable day 18. Since playable day 19 is said to have the first sex scene outside of marriage ( we don't even know if it's lesbian or hetero ) it is mostly likely going to be something else.

I think it could be someone else she asks help from and then in return for that help she will have to engage in a sexual act later in the game if it has to do anything with sex.

 

[ancienregimele]

I have concerns about those that choose to end the Aiden story. Clearly this is a storyline that L&P cares about and puts a lot of time into. If you decide to end Sophia's involvement (or if you never followed the story to begin with) then it's going to further diffuse the player base. If L&P continues to dedicate the same amount of time to the Aiden events, a lot of people are going to get only a fraction of the content in those updates (assuming you only play one path). It worries me that it's going to further complicate the development process. Either L&P just says "fuck it" and continues to do what he's currently doing, or he adjusts the script to include alternative concurrent events during Aiden's events. Either way, it sounds like another excuse for his development times to grow.

There's logic to ending the Aiden storyline for those who hate it but I don't think that it needs to automatically mean less stuff for those who do. Already we see that there's a Dylan-heavy day lined up in the 'near future'. There could be other days like this, so that major characters all receive a reasonable amount of attention. I follow & enjoy the Aiden route but I'm also a big Alyssa fan. It seems a long time since she was present & her next scheduled appearance is still years away. It's just something that has to be lived with. That's not to say I like the idea but it is what it is.

I assume that Dylan & Ellie & perhaps Patricia would never be left so long between appearances, so everyone should be at least as content with the content as they are now. Time jumps could be used to juggle events on different routes. All you need is a decent flow chart to avoid the spaghetti effect.

There is, however, another theoretical issue connected with Sophia's love making, (should it ever happen), which I thought of after I'd written about it recently & which applies to those, like me, who play one route. This has to do with whoever the exceptional character is, e. g. if it was to be Alyssa, those not on this path would feel hard done by. I use her as an example but there are others I can think of, whereby some fans playing one route would feel excluded from a very well anticipated action. There is a good case, therefore, for the person to be someone either present on all the routes, or a recently introduced character, something like a StarTrek OS redshirt, (demonstrating that the aliens are killers) but this one with a much better reason for existence!

These are the problems with multiple routes. Another answer could be to have sex with different people simultaneously, so to speak, dependent on which paths had been followed & choices made. This issue is not insoluble but sounds like a lot of work & may remain in the realm of theory, because another obvious solution, I've mentioned before, is for no-one except Liam to ever have sex with Sophia. This seems IMO, after 4 years, to be the answer, currently favoured by L&P. Creative solutions are a real possibility though, from an imaginative, innovative writer. As the Beach Boys say, in every other TV ad in the UK right now, "Wouldn't it be nice....."

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I believe the second uncomfortable will not be sex at all because it is due on playable day 18. Since playable day 19 is said to have the first sex scene outside of marriage ( we don't even know if it's lesbian or hetero ) it is mostly likely going to be something else.

I think it could be someone else she asks help from and then in return for that help she will have to engage in a sexual act later in the game if it has to do anything with sex.

I can live with this theory.

I know there is no complete story written, but I believe he has the basic direction of the game and important scenes' ideas already planned out. More like in bullet points form.

I once thought that L&P had a bullet point list of major ideas that included high level details. Something like:

1. Sam Event- Concert
   1. Event is in the evening
   2. Needs to be at a bar, will need a new asset for this.
   3. Large crowd? Needs a crowd large enough to make Sophia nervous, but not too large that she is unwilling to dance.
   4. Sophia will be joined by Patricia. Patricia will be the catalyst for the events before Sam finishes his set.
   5. blah blah blah

That's how I sort of envisioned his outline. Dialog was certainly not written, but I thought he had a pretty good idea of the framework. Now I'm not so sure, in fact I'm not sure it's much more than what he shares on Patreon when he lists the day's events. For Aiden's last task I think he probably knew he wanted it to be some sort of art/drawing event, but until he started making the update I don't think he had any details whatsoever. Just something like:

1. Aiden Task #3
   1. Aiden convinces Sophia to be drawn
   2. Sophia is nervous
   3. Sophia beings to like it
   4. Aiden joins

Like, it really could have been that basic because that scene grew out of control in unbelievable ways. Maybe that's why he cut the bar scene short in the next update. Maybe after what happened last time he reeled himself in.

 

[I_Love_Moms]

I have a great story in mind. Only if I had the technical skills to turn it into a VN

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I know there is no complete story written, but I believe he has the basic direction of the game and important scenes' ideas already planned out. More like in bullet points form. A new writer would have to figure out his own new scene ideas and how exactly he wants to develop the route and unless he/she wants to continue this a logicless porn, they will have to think it through and make proper scenes thar make sense.

But that is the problem here, Per L&P's own statement.



Also, just by reading this statement, it appears he was planning on more time skips. But he took a step back on that one. If you take what he said in this statement as truth, L&P already planned out his story. I think the original plan for his story took a significant turn with the polls he conducted. When he found out that some of his characters (one in particular) were popular, and it appeared that he wrote them as more of an opposing side of the story, it backfired. Now, he is trying to course correct. So I think he was unprepared for this.

His original plan was for this story to be only 3 to 4 years in production. That comment was made 3 to 4 years ago. I guess he expanded the story because he thought he was sitting on a gold mine, and he could be right about that.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

There is, however, another theoretical issue connected with Sophia's love making, (should it ever happen), which I thought of after I'd written about it recently & which applies to those, like me, who play one route. This has to do with whoever the exceptional character is, e. g. if it was to be Alyssa, those not on this path would feel hard done by. I use her as an example but there are others I can think of, whereby some fans playing one route would feel excluded from a very well anticipated action. There is a good case, therefore, for the person to be someone either present on all the routes, or a recently introduced character, something like a StarTrek OS redshirt, (demonstrating that the aliens are killers) but this one with a much better reason for existence!

This is something I've been thinking a lot about too! If Sophia is going to have sex with someone on PD 19 then I think it has to be someone that is accessible to most/all of the fans. I only play one route, so I would be pretty frustrated if I missed out because I didn't choose the correct path five years earlier. I also had the same thought of having a couple of different options on the same day to cover all the possible permutations of players, but this doesn't seem possible or practical. At minimum it doesn't seem likely that L&P can develop multiple relationships similtaneously so that they're both equally likely to result in sex on the same day. I hadn't considered the idea of a new character sleeping with Sophia, someone that all players would have access to. It's an idea to consider, but it would need to overcome a lot of negative momentum since fans would likely be very upset at such a turn of events.

These are the problems with multiple routes. Another answer could be to have sex with different people simultaneously, so to speak, dependent on which path had been followed & choices made. This issue is not insoluble but sounds like a lot of work & may remain in the realm of theory, because another obvious solution, I've mentioned before, is for no-one except Liam to ever have sex with Sophia. This seems IMO, after 4 years, to be the answer, currently favoured by L&P. Creative solutions are a real possibility though, from an imaginative, innovative writer. As the Beach Boys say, in every other TV ad in the UK right now, "Wouldn't it be nice....."

Can you fucking imagine????? Omg, if L&P literally never has Sophia sleep with anyone but Liam it would be the greatest troll I'll ever witnessed. I don't think it's likely, but holy shit would it be an incredible subversion of expectations.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

But that is the problem here, Per L&P's own statement.

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Also, just by reading this statement, it appears he was planning on more time skips. But he took a step back on that one. If you take what he said in this statement as truth, L&P already planned out his story. I think the original plan for his story took a significant turn with the polls he conducted. When he found out that some of his characters (one in particular) were popular, and it appeared that he wrote them as more of an opposing side of the story, it backfired. Now, he is trying to course correct. So I think he was unprepared for this.

His original plan was for this story to be only 3 to 4 years in production. That comment was made 3 to 4 years ago. I guess he expanded the story because he thought he was sitting on a gold mine, and he could be right about that.

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I'm to the point where I think we should almost disregard anything he said more than two years ago. I say "almost" because there's still some value in his previous statements but, as you said, a lot has changed in the last two years. But statements like "the whole story is written" and even hints about what will happen on Playable Day 19 should be taken with a grain of salt. He said these things when the game and its development cycle were much different. When he suggested a 3 to 4 years of development, he was probably thinking he'd get to sex in 18 to 24 months. Obviously that's been blown all to hell. It would not shock me if he has thrown out most of what he had planned originally. IF he does intend on finishing this game, and he's not just stringing us along until he abandons it, then it would make sense to rearrange some of his previous ideas. Like, I'm not sure this game can survive if the first cheating scene is still five or more years away. Yes, right now the number of Patrons is steadily increasing, but the pressure for some payoff is going to increase as well. The game's success may require that the story's pace increase so that sex can happen within the next couple of years.

Or ViperDonkey is right and this is all a scam.

 

[Bane71]

I know there is no complete story written, but I believe he has the basic direction of the game and important scenes' ideas already planned out. More like in bullet points form. A new writer would have to figure out his own new scene ideas and how exactly he wants to develop the route and unless he/she wants to continue this a logicless porn, they will have to think it through and make proper scenes thar make sense.

I agree with you.
Regarding L&P, I want to say that it is quite difficult to write scenes and dialogues of heroes so that it is interesting and at the same time not banal, given the need to combine a lot of facts and plot arcs.
Unfortunately, as soon as someone expresses an understanding of the complexity of the work performed by L&P, some people call such a person an L&P agent. This is not funny, it's sad because none of the ardent critics of L&P, most likely, does not work 11 hours a day himself.
If a person has to work so much, then he understands perfectly well how hard it is, not to mention the creative process, but it means creating interesting storylines and writing intriguing, exciting dialogues.
And if the pace of work slows down, then I understand that the person is tired or probably something is not working out, the process is not going smoothly. While we are waiting for this, we perceive it extremely critically, but I believe it upsets the developer no less than us.

In any case, I only hope that it will not stop working, as it has already happened with other projects, everything else is secondary and less important.

 

[ancienregimele]

Omg, if L&P literally never has Sophia sleep with anyone but Liam it would be the greatest troll I'll ever witnessed. I don't think it's likely, but holy shit would it be an incredible subversion of expectations.

I don't think that L&P deliberately set out with this in mind but it feels that actual sex, as opposed to sexual acts, are so far away as to have a strong possibility of never happening. This would mean that the "Liam solution" would be the only one, by default. Over time the story has become over-complicated & we all know what happens to suggestions to make it less so. I keep hoping that the Dev does himself & the fans a favour & despite everything starts to take out unnecessary stories & characters. There are so many to choose from & as for Sophia's days, I don't know how she fits it all in.

After the kind of days Sophia has, it's not surprising if she's just too tired for sex. Now there's a solution.....

 

[hzjujk]

I don't see a scenario in which Sophia doesn't eventually relent to Aiden and his tasks. This has been discussed countless times, and once she does it will no longer truly be blackmail, but to complete his tasks I see no other alternative.

It'll be interesting to see how L&P handles the second opportunity to end the storyline with Aiden. If the first is "comfortable" and the second is "uncomfortable" I wonder if the second option will require sex. I believe it's scheduled late enough in the game after Sophia has already begun to cheat on Liam. I could see an interesting development where Sophia can choose to end the tasks early and have sex with Aiden, thus ending the blackmail but making her more open to cheating, or she can refuse to have sex with him and continue the blackmail and follow it deeper into corruption. It could lead to lots of different options late in the game and be a pivotal moment in her development.

Why should Aiden accept such a lazy compromise for him? Why end the deal prematurely with sex that he is convinced he will get anyway? And what should prevent him from simply continuing with the tasks afterwards? Please explain that.

 

[Ara-sH]

Why there is no gallery mod? I have seen games have gallery mod the same day the got first release!

 

[hzjujk]

That was only hinted at in Sophia's internal monologue but I don't think it was ever a Dev plan, rather just a way someone in that situation might think. What is due to occur 'soon' is the "easy" way to end the tasks. This could involve Don Morello, or perhaps his involvement will be part of the later "hard" way to end them, which might include further obligations to his organisation.

I'm looking forward to all the genuine blackmail haters bailing out with the easy option. This should lead to greater happiness all round. I always wanted Dylan in my playthrough but as a normal teenage son, (problematic enough, as those with sons at such a stage now or in the past could testify), rather than a sexually "confused" PITA, [nicest term I could think of]. When I was able to pair him up with Emma I felt like shaking L&P's hand, (a rare thing) & I hope that the Aiden detractors will feel likewise, sometime in the first half of next year. Those who follow the route will then be free to see what number they reach in the fullness of time.

If you include me in this, I will have to disappoint you. Morally I have sunk far too low to give up the Aiden blackmail route now. I just have an almost satanic joy in pointing out the consequences of childish fantasies in this forum about blackmail. And as some here do NOT react to my posts shows me I have success with it.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Why should Aiden accept such a lazy compromise for him? Why end the deal prematurely with sex that he is convinced he will get anyway? And what should prevent him from simply continuing with the tasks afterwards? Please explain that.

Why are you so combative?

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I have a great story in mind. Only if I had the technical skills to turn it into a VN

me too