VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Deleted member 3325933]

it’s okay I made the time leap

Well, you’re gonna be amazed

Sophia became a great guitar player so she rejected Sam, she is divorced and has an international career.
Ellie’s still a virgin, farrah had a breakdown
Alyssa electrocuted herself with Antonio, since KillJoys is inconsolable
Ava created a satanic cult and Brother Robert has a lot of work to exorcise all of this.
Patricia takes care of the animals at Carl’s zoo, but has still not understood the difference between carnivore and herbivore.
Liam became gay, he’s in a relationship with Neil, so Brother Robert is happy because Neil has a better treatment of his character
Amber drowned in a swimming pool crushed by a giant banana, so Julia became a lifeguard.
Dylan who loves his mother’s underwear so much changed sex, so he can wear them.
Sam died in a treehouse fire


I’ll stop here because I don’t want to spoil you too much.

PS Lord_Xanatos is out of work

Ah, yes. I read the summary. An addendum had some fascinating elements.

Bennett was killed in a freak shredder accident at the school.
Aiden was thought to join a fishing crew for deadliest catch. However it was a ship owned by Don Morello and Aiden never made it back to shore. Strangely no record of his signing on exists.
Janitor Clark was horribly scarred when a steam line blew while he was in the girls shower. Since he was alone they found him in the morning.
Zach is dealing with melanoma from too much time in the tanning beds. He is starting to resemble King Tut.
Christine had emergency surgery to remove a lollipop and is now permanently scarred.
Marie has created a new line of Yoga studios. Her pictures are prominently dispalyed throughout each franchise. It is focused on male clientele and business is booming.
Emma was so stunned at Dylan's actions she moved to Calcutta and followed Mother Theresa's path.
Mr Murray retired and is living in Switzerland. His Postal pension is supplemented by his CIA pension and all the investments he made betting against Liam and Neil's ideas.
The hobos are still hobo'ing
The two thugs tried to steal a endangered species from Carl's Zoo, Patricia locked them in the cage marked with the cute Tigger picture. Or was it Tiger? What's the difference?

 

[Hlextor]

Translating an erotic novella from German into English is not so easily done. There is a lot written about feelings and love in it. It would be just as difficult the other way around because there are simply words, phrases in German that you can't translate one-to-one into English. Because they simply don't exist. So you have to find similar words, phrases, that mean what you want to say in German.
Example. The word "geborgen" does not exist in English. "Geborgen" expresses that a person e.g. Sophia feels safe and secure in the strong arms of someone else e.g. Dylan . But neither "safe", "sheltered", "secure" nor "protected" expresses the word "geborgen" correctly. These words are too strong. "Geborgen" is a really warm word that implies love and trust. And all the other translated words don´t fit correctly.
So L&P needs to change that word, that phrase. He needs a German word, a German sentence, which can be translated very well into English with the same expressiveness, with the same effect. And that takes time.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Is moving me, too! The graph is currently trending towards November 25-26, but he just started P&T. At 2.5 pages per day and 27 pages that's about 11-12 days. add in another three or four days for debugging and testing, so Nov 15-20 is still in the realm of probability.

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If he works the weekends and stays at 5% each day, he will end on the 20th, but if he takes the weekends off, it will be towards the last week of the month. Also, I wonder if he will manage to have a couple of several 10% days in between?

So the question becomes does he work on the weekends and have some 10% progression for P&T to meet his timeline for release?

 

[BryceLoski]

Yeah I got a couple of saves, one where they got arrested and one when I didn't report it just to see what was going to happen, it'd be interesting to see what happens or who it happens to, cause it doesn't have to be Sophia it happens too.

just wonder if L&P has forgot this part of story... interested in the thug plot personally.

of what december or november?

November

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Translating an erotic novella from German into English is not so easily done. There is a lot written about feelings and love in it. It would be just as difficult the other way around because there are simply words, phrases in German that you can't translate one-to-one into English. Because they simply don't exist. So you have to find similar words, phrases, that mean what you want to say in German.
Example. The word "geborgen" does not exist in English. "Geborgen" expresses that a person e.g. Sophia feels safe and secure in the strong arms of someone else e.g. Dylan . But neither "safe", "sheltered", "secure" nor "protected" expresses the word "geborgen" correctly. These words are too strong. "Geborgen" is a really warm word that implies love and trust. And all the other translated words don´t fit correctly.
So L&P needs to change that word, that phrase. He needs a German word, a German sentence, which can be translated very well into English with the same expressiveness, with the same effect. And that takes time.

From the German definition that you explain with Geborgen. I would say the matching English word would be Embrace. But in order to use this word, Someone would need to look at the sentence structure and the context.

 

[nexer]

Translating an erotic novella from German into English is not so easily done. There is a lot written about feelings and love in it. It would be just as difficult the other way around because there are simply words, phrases in German that you can't translate one-to-one into English. Because they simply don't exist. So you have to find similar words, phrases, that mean what you want to say in German.
Example. The word "geborgen" does not exist in English. "Geborgen" expresses that a person e.g. Sophia feels safe and secure in the strong arms of someone else e.g. Dylan . But neither "safe", "sheltered", "secure" nor "protected" expresses the word "geborgen" correctly. These words are too strong. "Geborgen" is a really warm word that implies love and trust. And all the other translated words don´t fit correctly.
So L&P needs to change that word, that phrase. He needs a German word, a German sentence, which can be translated very well into English with the same expressiveness, with the same effect. And that takes time.

Much more complicated than I thought:
Berg- bergen-geborgen.
I thought the Germanic tribes were sure that a mountain (Berg) offered protection and hence: Berg-geborgen.
Why is it so complicated?

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Much more complicated than I thought:
Berg- bergen-geborgen.
I thought the Germanic tribes were sure that a mountain (Berg) offered protection and hence: Berg-geborgen.
Why is it so complicated?

nobody really cares about the correctness of the dialogue.
who is it that takes pains to understand the nuances of a well done translation?
this excuse is putting a damper on the development of the game.
any native speaker fan could get the translation done and then give it to L&P once the game is out in German.

I would translate it myself if it came out in German.

always if it served to speed up the development process.

 

[BorgiaBou]

Also, those heels look gorgeous and unused.

I have to disagree with you on this one and let me tell you why, one of my hobbies or passions are sneakers and i have a lot of them, so having more i pretty much wear everyday a different pair and when i come home i clean them and tose them back in their box (yeah i have their original box for each) so they tend to look new, i have 6 yrs old sneakers and when i wear them some ppl ask me if are new, i swear true story

 

[Sabertooth__]

nobody really cares about the correctness of the dialogue.
who is it that takes pains to understand the nuances of a well done translation?
this excuse is putting a damper on the development of the game.
any native speaker fan could get the translation done and then give it to L&P once the game is out in German.

I would translate it myself if it came out in German.

always if it served to speed up the development process.

I care for well written dialogues. I like to read them and actually like seeing well written sentences, for me they add a completely new level of appeal to the scene.
As for initial German release, what will be the point of that. How many of the people who play this game will know German. How many of his top tier patrons know German. Even if they get the game on the first day, they can't play it because they don't understand anything. So these people will now have to wait until some pirate, translates the game and puts it in English. Wow

 

[nexer]

nobody really cares about the correctness of the dialogue.
who is it that takes pains to understand the nuances of a well done translation?
this excuse is putting a damper on the development of the game.
any native speaker fan could get the translation done and then give it to L&P once the game is out in German.

I would translate it myself if it came out in German.

always if it served to speed up the development process.

Right, and if you get too deep into it, we have: Sophia/Ava- educated women - we should find the Queen's English/slang free, different than between Aiden's gang members or Logan with his friends.

 

[Bobbos]

This whole translation discussion is just stupid...
He should just use deepl and adjust everything he doesn't like.
Would be much faster and deepl is an excellent and very precise translation tool.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Anyone got a time machine that can bounce a few years into the future to when this game is completed and come back and release it for us? Be a bro... Forget about stopping 9/11, killing Hitler, or fucking your grandma back when she was hot and 18 years old to become your own grandpa. I want the full game.

You were the first one to call how long this was going to be:

However there are quiet a few images. Hopefully the creator regularly updates this. I worry that this game will take FOREVER with updates because there is a lot of content already. Anyways if they update this game with the amount of content currently already in it every 1-2 months.... It's gonna be great. Even if it were 2-3 months still good. However if the creator is gonna take like 6 months between updates, or quit... This is my main concern.

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About the translation..

They would. There have been several people offering their help in every way possible, but L&P simply doesn't want to outsource anything. L&P himself has asked for a translator here before, but it's been mostly just a big hoax. He's received e-mails from people and atleast one actual professional translator among them, but guess what? He ignored the e-mails, then came here trying to tell us that there's nobody up to the task. There are several "theories" on the reasoning behind that, but it wasn't the first time he got caught "contradicting" himself, to say the least.

We even had a translator who tried working with him before, but the guy said it was literally impossible to work with L&P on translations as he would randomly send him little snippets of text without any context, which made it pretty much impossible to come up with a good sentence fitting to the scene it would belong to.

Rumour has it that L&P has found someone to help with the translation part of the game. No clue if this guy is still working with him on the current update, though. But honestly, seeing that there's barely a single page translated per day makes it really hard to believe that there's an actual translator doing any work whatsoever. 27(?) pages of text to translate, started on November 1st. The update is scheduled between the 15th and 21st of November, and assuming that we're only getting a 5% increase on the translation front per day means that it's atleast going to take 20 days until it's finished. The last update had around 30% more text and it took L&P 23(?) days to finish the P&T part, meaning that it's probably even slower this time around. God knows how that's even possible, but oh well.

This was years ago.

If I get enough support I will spend 24/7 with the game development and try to release an update every 4-6 weeks! And yeah, English is actually not my native language but I try my best! Of course with much support I could engage someone who will check and correct it to make it rather perfect!


I'll try

Well it is written but the details still have to be refined. I'm doing that parallel to the scene development. If I get sufficient support I will translate a part of the texts and then give it to someone for correction! Meanwhile I will keep working on the next text part.

If I get support
If I get money
If If If

And then nothing happens. Sending 1 sentence out of a thousand to his "american friend from discord" doesn't qualify as getting or wanting any help.
Been 4 years. Just more lies.
1 word page translated per day it's ridiculous. Unless the fontsize is 0.5

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I care for well written dialogues. I like to read them and actually like seeing well written sentences, for me they add a completely new level of appeal to the scene.
As for initial German release, what will be the point of that. How many of the people who play this game will know German. How many of his top tier patrons know German. Even if they get the game on the first day, they can't play it because they don't understand anything. So these people will now have to wait until some pirate, translates the game and puts it in English. Wow

Or maybe, just maybe.. the game could be launched in German and then update it with an english translation by L&P and his team of translators 20 days after.
Of course someone else here would have translated everything in the first days of release and that way people get the update almost a month faster.

The so called pirate would take 1 or 2 days to do it and no one would understand less of the story.

 

[nexer]

This whole translation discussion is just stupid...
He should just use deepl and adjust everything he doesn't like.
Would be much faster and deepl is an excellent and very precise translation tool.

If you think you can translate better let me see you

 

[Bobbos]

This has already been suggested and tested here and it failed with local slangs

Looks like you missed the "and adjust everything he doesn't like" part but I'm not surprised that you did.
He can even go through it with a native English speaker and it's still going to be faster than it is now.

 

[Saip12c]

Is moving me, too! The graph is currently trending towards November 25-26, but he just started P&T. At 2.5 pages per day and 27 pages that's about 11-12 days. add in another three or four days for debugging and testing, so Nov 15-20 is still in the realm of probability.

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L&P would try for Dec first week, to account it for next month..
Nothing new to us, we have seen in the past!

 

[Bobbos]

So he has to spend time comparing each line of his German script to his English translated script while mentally translating the German script himself and see if the translation has come out exactly like he wanted and if he is not sure if it has then he should also consult a professional translator who knows German and English equally well. And this is supposed to be faster.
Again not surprised this is coming from you.

I don't think you realize how much faster it would be to have everything already translated and just doing minor adjustments with the help of a native speaker.
Shit could be done in two full work days probably even faster.

Edit: And done come with stuff like "oh, but the dialog is sooo complex and hard and it has sooo much depth"
It's a porn game and L&P is no Goethe.

 

[Deleted member 2183629]

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[Jack Adams]

You were the first one to call how long this was going to be:


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About the translation..


This was years ago.




If I get support
If I get money
If If If

And then nothing happens. Sending 1 sentence out of a thousand to his "american friend from discord" doesn't qualify as getting or wanting any help.
Been 4 years. Just more lies.
1 word page translated per day it's ridiculous. Unless the fontsize is 0.5

Your expressed frustration is valid. His support enjoys a majority demographic that speaks English, and his initial releases are in English. I (along with others) have read his less-than-diplomatic comments here in this thread, and I find that even when emotional his English is roughly 95% fluent.
What surprises me is that he does not write the dialogue and comments in English as he goes along (while waiting for renders to finish). This approach would then simply need a competent English speaker (who does not even know German) to review the script with 'L and P' for ambiguities in the English expression. The time required to catch nuanced intent for the prose would take a relatively short time, and a lot less angst for all involved.
Thank you, Jack.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I do some proofreading for the game Girls Next Door. The dev who writes the script is Portuguese and has a good handle on English. Probably 80% of his text is perfectly fine, but the hard part for non-native speakers is writing in an informal way, and/or in creating the connective tissue between ideas and thoughts in a scene. The vast majority of the games here that have non-native English speakers doing the writing suffer from extremely formal language. This makes sense because it's how people are taught or it's how language is easiest to translate. But no one speaks in such a formal way. They also suffer from scenes that feel like they don't transition smoothly, or have concepts/ideas/elements that are not properly explained or consistently referenced. I spend a lot of time writing additional text in order to help flesh out ideas that simply need more text to be explained. A non-native speaker doesn't understand how to explain ideas that aren't tangible (stuff like "envious" or "embarrassed") so the scenes either become clumsy or under-baked.

The last thing I help with are with slang and localizing the language for an American audience. There have been many times when some local proverb will be used and I have to completely remove it. I'm always sad to do it, but to an American audience it won't make any sense, or it will standout like a sore thumb. I then need to try and replace it with a common American proverb, but it's never a 1:1 equivalent. So that means that the script needs to be tweaked so that the elements of the sentence all match and are in agreement.

The point is that translating/proofreading/localizing is not a straightforward process and I wouldn't trust it to an electronic translator. If you don't care about the quality of your text, then fine, put it through your online translator. But if you want your game to sound respectable you need an actual person to sit down and go through the script line by line. Is L&P really slow in his translation? Yes. But we shouldn't underestimate that good work in translating/proofreading/localizing takes time.

Also, allow me to plug my signature, I LOVE the guys over at Girls Next Door. They have been a joy to work with and they're making a really fun little game. You should go check it out.