Adult game and politically correct

[Alea iacta est]

I am noticing that all the recent games are becoming more and more homogenized and boring as a 20 years marriage relationship.

I personally noticing that politically correctness that is corrupting all arts in modern era and therefore even porn.

Most of the developers for adult games are from US, that together with UK and some other Nordic countries are the most affected by politically correctness.
I feel sorry for them...

I see that current adult games are not exploring animore the dirty, filthy, forbidden part of the sex, but the fall on the standard marital sex, consent sex, etc etc...

Personally I think, the real and good sex, cannot be conformist...
Games should exploit the area of imagination that are not allowed in real life otherwise it all becomes a boring transfiguration of what real life is.

I believe politically correctness is strangling creativity, desire to break rules and the results are boring experiences.

What are your thoughts?

 

[givu]

I agree kind of. But just committing a "taboo" for the sake of committing it, doesn't really appeal to me. For example I´m not big on full on rape, I`m completely fine with games doing it, it´s just not for me.

I see that current adult games are not exploring animore the dirty, filthy, forbidden part of the sex, but the fall on the standard marital sex, consent sex, etc etc...

Personally I think, the real and good sex, cannot be conformist...

I disagree, I think if that´s what you´re into, it can be totally real and good sex. I personally like dehumanizing, sexist etc. themes and I do agree that a lot of devs now probably shy away from more "extreme" content like that to make their product appeal to a wider audience and play it "safe", so I guess in a way it does strangle creativity in a way.

 

[kytee]

Well, thing is, almost all of the developers here are creating games hoping to make a profit off of them. Can't really make any money off of Patreon with hardcore fetish porn, you'll get shut down in an instant. There's a few developers that pop up here and there with crazy shit, not trying to seek money from it, but then get demotivated to continue when people downvote that shit to oblivion. I don't get off to that shit, but I don't care if it exists either.

 

[lemonfreak]

Political correctness is a well meaning, sometimes heavy-handed, attempt to create a more inclusive language.

Using words that don't marginalise people is nice, using words that do is nasty. Don't be nasty.

And if you want to be offensive and degrading then by all means do so but do it because you mean it, don't do it by accident because you have an outdated vocabulary that includes words which hurt people unnecessarily.

 

[Droid Productions]

All the Karens didn't disappear when the Moral Majority failed, they just picked up a gender studies degree, a bunch of cats and a rose wine habit. Authoritarian moralists concern-trolling is nothing new under the sun, they just change to be wherever there is institutional power to be found.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Most of the developers for adult games are from US, [...]

Really ? Based on what ?

I see that current adult games are not exploring animore the dirty, filthy, forbidden part of the sex, but the fall on the standard marital sex, consent sex, etc etc...

There's actually

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. Even if there were only half of them still active, to have a share of the cake with so much concurrence, you need to target the biggest audience.
And they want a share of the cake, especially those who use Daz3D for the CG, since they already spent at least US$ 1.000 for the assets. It's something that we generally forget when talking about the authors who abandon their project ; sometimes it's simply because they never seen their money back and can't afford to spend more.

Games should exploit the area of imagination that are not allowed in real life otherwise it all becomes a boring transfiguration of what real life is.

Or they can have vanilla sex served by a marvelous story.
Personally I'm totally fine with that. Of course, I have nothing against what you put behind your "dirty, filthy, forbidden part of the sex", but if what I wanted was just sex, I would be on pornhub, not here.

 

[M$hot]

I look at it from the other end. I've grown up in a very liberal society but because of that there are some very strict lines you don't cross. In somewhat less liberal society the boundries are a bit more of a gradient from 'okay but frowned upon' to 'yeah, too far'. There was very little that was frowned upon, but thus also more emphasis on where the hard boundary was.

As such, that has shaped in part what I do like and what I don't like. In turn, I won't put stuff into a game I don't enjoy, so that's another end of it. There's people from the late 1990s to the turn of the millenium that are now consuming/planning to create their own stuff. Most porn only really plays to vanilla kinks, or you really have to start digging. So growing up in a society that's more black and white than playing with gray areas and a mainstream porn scene that's fairly tame, it does tend to shape more vanilla consumers. Most devs are/were consumers, thus, more mostly vanilla games.

But I'm not sure if it's political correctness as much as just the silent undertones that hum through society. Although, I don't think frape, manipulation, sleep sex, ntr, corruption, slave, bondage, incest and bestiality are super tame. But much like with pornhub, you want the more niche stuff, you have to look in the corners, not right in the middle of the room.

The thing that turned me from just porn to games is the story. Even the most ridiculous games usually have a better story than 'I got stuck in the window, so I'm going to blow both my stepsons'. To each their own. And let's be honest, scat is simply a less appealing kink than a harem of beautiful women ready to dome you up whenever you ask. You want money, you play to the crowd.

 

[baloneysammich]

I believe politically correctness is strangling creativity, desire to break rules and the results are boring experiences.

IMO porn games are still too fringe to really be subject to PC, SJ or any other broad social/cultural pressures. If creators are behaving "PC-ish" it's because they choose to do so (even if it's only to appeal to consumers) rather than because they legitimately feel pressured to do so.

 

[215303j]

I believe politically correctness is strangling creativity, desire to break rules and the results are boring experiences.

Like several others have already commented, I also think it is due to what "the market" wants.

For instance, incest is very popular, even though it is taboo and even illegal in several countries.

Male bisexuality on the other hand is not popular (although trans/futa is gaining) because, well, a lot of guys really do not want to see another guys dick up close. Even though it is generally not illegal nor even very taboo in most countries.

 

[Alea iacta est]

Porn and sex must be inclusive? are we really willing to flatten everything because everybody has included with it?
Is being divisive that bad? and what about people getting offended?
I personally believe that art and porn should never be inclusive but rather divisive and controversial, they should force you to make a choice "I like it" or "I do not like it and I look for something different"...

 

[baloneysammich]

I personally believe that art and porn should never be inclusive but rather divisive and controversial, they should force you to make a choice "I like it" or "I do not like it and I look for something different"...

Nevermind porn, stay away from my art. You can have my landscapes when you pry them from my cold, dead hands!

 

[anne O'nymous]

Porn and sex must be inclusive?

Nobody said that they must be inclusive. What was said is that they have to be it if you want to sell enough, and that they are limited to the kinks of the author.
Someone who don't like BDSM will not include it in his game for the sole purpose to target a niche. It would be ridiculous, in all the possible way since he don't even know what he talk about.

Is being divisive that bad? and what about people getting offended?

What it have to do with division and offense ? Weren't hippies both the (relatively speaking) most opened in regard of sexuality, less voluntarily offending, and also united ?

I personally believe that art and porn should never be inclusive but rather divisive and controversial, they should force you to make a choice "I like it" or "I do not like it and I look for something different"...

It's a really modern view over art, more or less a post WWII view on it.
Until mid 20th century, no artist really searched to be controversial. Some were it voluntarily, time to time, like Michelangelo when he was pouting, but for the other, they were it against their own will ; like impressionists at the end of the 19th century, by example. And it don't just apply to painting, but to all arts.
Yes, some artists of the past were always sarcastic, others always put vitriol in their art, and so on. But even when it was explicit, it wasn't to be controversial, and even less to divide. It's the opposite, they were consensual, uniting people by saying aloud what they had in mind, showing them that they were far to be alone.

But well, we are talking about games with explicit sex in them. Whatever how vanilla and conventional can be this sex, it's already controversial and dividing. You'll not be more one or the other, by going further in dirt and filth, exploring the forbidden path of sexuality.
Globally speaking, the world will not care of your kink, while those who care, those who can be offended, already are because what trigger them is the sexuality, not its nature. The most you could achieve is to change a "yuck", into a, "OMG it's disgusting", in their mouth.

 

[215303j]

Second try at understanding this topic

I have trouble understanding the concept of "political correctness" when it comes to porn.

For a lot of people porn in any way, shape or form can never be politically correct. Porn = bad, end of story.

If you don't belong to that group, then there is a sliding scale. But political correctness becomes harder and harder to define and will mean different things for different people. Like in my examples above. The politically correct crowd in Western Europe would likely support male bisex more than incest. Yet in porn games, incest is so common that it is hardly politically incorrect anymore, but that is amongst us who play those games, not in the general population.

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

I don't even know what people mean by political correctness? Which political correctness? The one from the republicans of USA Texas or the one from the Greens of Germany or the one from Japan or from Peru? What is Political Correctness?

All I can say is that there is a WIDE variety of different adult games. Different kinks, different stories, different artstyles and so on. There is something for every taste. Personally I dislike a lot fetishes not because they are political incorrect or whatever that even means, just because I don't like them.

A game that is mostly vanilla but has a story I like I would definitely enjoy, but a game that has kinks and fetishes I don't like or even find disgusting, why should I play it? Only because then I can say "I played an not political correct game, yeah alone because of that is was a good game" no.

Games with rape, scat, femdom, gay, bisexual (except lesbian), female protagonist, and so on. Different genres/kinks. Some are very very niche. Some of them are political correct, some maybe not. What I want to say is I don't think the authors go for the vague term of what they think is political correct (which is different from person to person and country to country) but because what THEY like themself and often what has large popularity without making possible consumers leave. And also the aforementioned kinks/fetishes/genres. Female Protagonist is political correct? Yes. It alone nobody can have something against it. Do I like it? I can enjoy it, if I like the game itself. Do I enjoy it because it's political correct? That has nothing to do with it. And what about rape? Do I dislike rape because it's political incorrect? No, but because I simply do not like it. Simple as that.

For example. If I went to create a video game. THen I would put kinks and fetishes in it that I personally LIKE. Also I would add some (if not already included because I like them) I don't dislike but I know people love them generally AND don't harm possible consumers but rather attract more consumers. For example I prefer smaller breasts, but I would also add ladies with larger ones, just because it doesn't do harm.

Has nothing with political correctness. I don't like that term, it is very very vague and confusing.

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

Although, I don't think frape, manipulation, sleep sex, ntr, corruption, slave, bondage, incest and bestiality are super tame.

In my personal view they are definitely not super tame. Especially sleep sex, manipulation, corruption, bestiality and fictional rape. Those are definitely not vanilla. Even bondage and slave games are not totally tame but people at least know them and it's not new news that such fetishes exist.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I am noticing that all the recent games are becoming more and more homogenized and boring as a 20 years marriage relationship.

I personally noticing that politically correctness that is corrupting all arts in modern era and therefore even porn.

Most of the developers for adult games are from US, that together with UK and some other Nordic countries are the most affected by politically correctness.
I feel sorry for them...

I see that current adult games are not exploring animore the dirty, filthy, forbidden part of the sex, but the fall on the standard marital sex, consent sex, etc etc...

Personally I think, the real and good sex, cannot be conformist...
Games should exploit the area of imagination that are not allowed in real life otherwise it all becomes a boring transfiguration of what real life is.

I believe politically correctness is strangling creativity, desire to break rules and the results are boring experiences.

What are your thoughts?

Honestly have no idea what you're meaning by "political correctness" in this context. Is there a type of sexual activity/kink you feel is being driven from adult games? Are there sexual, racial, or gender-specific terms and other such language you feel is not being used as much? Is it the protagonists in these games that you feel are being portrayed in a certain way?

How about instead of ending the post with "Your thoughts?" after you've barely even expressed exactly what your thought is, you furnish us with some more details about what you think "political correctness" is affecting in these games so that people can actually address your concerns without having to take shots in the dark at guessing what you're on about?

 

[baloneysammich]

I don't even know what people mean by political correctness? Which political correctness? The one from the republicans of USA Texas or the one from the Greens of Germany or the one from Japan or from Peru? What is Political Correctness?

Whereas to me, political correctness is a thing of the American left than began in the Clinton era, and was recently reincarnated as the social justice movement. No wonder there's so much confusion here.

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

Whereas to me, political correctness is a thing of the American left than began in the Clinton era, and was recently reincarnated as the social justice movement. No wonder there's so much confusion here.

And here I thought Americans don't have a left movement (kidding)

The term is pretty vague. I'd prefer to better describe what people mean. It's confusing. And PC can mean different things in different countries and from person to person as well.

 

[Alea iacta est]

And here I thought Americans don't have a left movement (kidding)

The term is pretty vague. I'd prefer to better describe what people mean. It's confusing. And PC can mean different things in different countries and from person to person as well.

PC has indeed different meaning...the definition of it.. or other more broad meaning.
My definition is PC: is the dictatorship that force people to have an homogenized language/actions act to do not raise controversial or divisive topics.. It is applied to art, words, movies, music etc. This dictatorship believes creating a sterile language that doesn't disturb anyone (impossible) will make the world a more inclusive place.

Dictatorship of politically correctness sit on top of the real dictatorship of nowadays... dictatorship of relativism...

 

[Alea iacta est]

Whereas to me, political correctness is a thing of the American left than began in the Clinton era, and was recently reincarnated as the social justice movement. No wonder there's so much confusion here.

UK/US/Canada are undeniable affected together with some of bunch of Nordic countries.
This PC is alienating a lot of people and is undeniable that the current of thoughts, art, debates are limited and censored.
A new era of censorship... that presents itself with the fake face of inclusiveness and diversity.

Luckily this PC doesn't seem to affect rest of the word...common sense seems to prevail on the homogenized debates that you hear from US