Adult game and politically correct

[Alea iacta est]

That's a conflation of 2 ideologically opposed concepts, political correctness and censorship of ideas. Political correctness, by removing from the lexicon terms that help to marginalise people, allows more ideas to rise to the surface. Censorship silences those voices and keeps the old nullites (a portmanteau I have just invented combining Null with Elites to illustrate those with have hereditary power that cannot concieve of the notion of doing good with it) in place.

You don't like gay people, OK, I wish you didn't feel that way but have the common decency to accept that they still have rights. Accept that while it is mostly true from a strictly biological point of view that there are only 2 genders, bringing this up in conversation does nothing but hurt people who, for whatever reason, don't fit into that dichotomy.

And before you bring it up, yes, there are plenty of left wing voices that promote censorship rather than PC and they're idiots too

That Midlife Crisis, WVM and Fetish Locator all feature trans characters who are portrayed as real people and not merely fetish fodder illustrates that.

Or look to IRL porn where the likes of Chanel Santini, Aubrey Kate and Daisy Taylor are treated as beautiful young women who just happen to have something a little extra.

Politically correctness is pure censorship. You can see in lefty media.. news are not reported because do not fit the PC narrative.
Label someone as racist just because doesn't fit the narrative of welcome every human being in its own country is censorship.
Label someone as homophobic because disagree that gay people can buy/sell kids (called in PC surrogate mother) is censorship.
Label someone as sexist because a scientist stated that physic science is not a woman matter (proven by tons of data) is censorship.
Politically correctness is based on nice presentation (love is love, inclusive, diversity,etc..) FRONT-END and a fascist censorship excluding people from debate labeling as racist, homophobic etc.. BACKEND.

PC = censorship/dictatorship

 

[polywog]

Good joke but argument absurdum is a logical fallacy

politics and logic

 

[tomcire]

davidsual Ok, but please, can you make any examples about it in the porn game community?
Which games and situations (if you don't want name them ok, but at least explain the context) were PC that you have seen?

 

[obibobi]

I don't think don't think PC is in any way a bad thing, all it has done is remove words and terms that marginalise minorities and the vulnerable. Look at what passed for mainstream comedy on UK television in the 1970s:

Then you don't know what political correctness is. It is using language or expressing thoughts that are acceptable in greater society and that is not always good.

Its also foolish to be believe that it means not attacking the vulnerable. People think that because insulting gays, Jews or blacks is seen as politically incorrect, it must mean its about protecting the vulnerable when it reality its just that there are powerful political groups looking out for specific interests and media goes after specific people.

I could make fun of midgets, burn victims, men who have been sexually assaulted by other men, people with mental disabilities, the stupid or even people who are just really ugly, people who you would reasonably consider vulnerable and that wouldnt be as politically incorrect because greater society doesn't stigmatize making fun of these groups as much

Also political correctness changes by country. What is socially acceptable to say in China would be a lot different

Political correctness isn't inherently bad or good

 

[lemonfreak]

Politically correctness is pure censorship. You can see in lefty media.. news are not reported because do not fit the PC narrative.
Label someone as racist just because doesn't fit the narrative of welcome every human being in its own country is censorship.
Label someone as homophobic because disagree that gay people can buy/sell kids (called in PC surrogate mother) is censorship.
Label someone as sexist because a scientist stated that physic science is not a woman matter (proven by tons of data) is censorship.
Politically correctness is based on nice presentation (love is love, inclusive, diversity,etc..) FRONT-END and a fascist censorship excluding people from debate labeling as racist, homophobic etc.. BACKEND.

PC = censorship/dictatorship

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[lemonfreak]

Then you don't know what political correctness is. It is using language or expressing thoughts that are acceptable in greater society and that is not always good.

Its also foolish to be believe that it means not attacking the vulnerable. People think that because insulting gays, Jews or blacks is seen as politically incorrect, it must mean its about protecting the vulnerable when it reality its just that there are powerful political groups looking out for specific interests and media goes after specific people.

I could make fun of midgets, burn victims, men who have been sexually assaulted by other men, people with mental disabilities, the stupid or even people who are just really ugly, people who you would reasonably consider vulnerable and that wouldnt be as politically incorrect because greater society doesn't stigmatize making fun of these groups as much

Also political correctness changes by country. What is socially acceptable to say in China would be a lot different

Political correctness isn't inherently bad or good

You can make fun of anything and everything and only someone with a gaping chasm where their brain should be would fail to comprehend that; political correctness, not to mention COMMON DECENCY, asks you to learn that what you say can hurt people unintentionally and to have the merest sliver of empathy for your fellow human beings. Or, at the very least, to stop being a cunt (which, to be clear since I'm British, I DO NOT mean as a term of endearment). You can call a Little Person a Midget if you know why you shouldn't, you can call a trans person a Tranny if you realise it's potentially hurtful and you can call a person with Cerebral Palsy a Spaca if you truly get it.

 

[whippetmaster]

davidsual
Hmm.. as an American watching the rise of censorship here in several states that I've lived in over 30 years, it's all the "religious right" pursuing censorship, not the "liberal left". I'll list 2 of them.
- When judges struck down a gay marriage ban in Iowa, Republicans censored and recalled those judges for allowing gay marriage. Oh and they gutted 2 state departments set up to handle those affairs so gay marriage there is still iffy at best because of all the roadblocks set up by the the Republicans who were just voted into office at that time. I mean, old people overwhelmingly went to the polls and actually did shady shit to stop others from voting like not letting their employees getting the day off to vote.
- In Idaho, there have been ballots signed and laws proposed by people to protect the status of those who have alternative lifestyles like Lesbians, Gays, etc.. But the overwhelming Republican state government has used tricks and procedures to block that from becoming law for over 20 years now.

Still not convinced? Google this shit.
- Back in 2014, the state of Lousiana's Republican majority rejected the Democrats' move to repeal the ban on consensual sex between same-sex participants. Since then a Republican sheriff in east Baton Rouge, Lousiana even set up undercover officers in bathrooms to propose same-sex relations then arrested those who said "yes". There was no sex involved and Louisiana's ban on same sex relations is technically illegal and unenforceable but that didn't stop them from keeping that law and trying to enforce the ban. EDITED.. The USA Supreme Court struck down a ban on sodomy in 2003 because 2 men in Texas were forcibly arrested when they were discovered having sex as the police were barging into homes over a call over a "weapons disturbance" in the area. They sued the state of Texas and went all the way to the Supreme Court and won. But wait... a sodomy ban was still "legal" in Lousiana and the Republicans refused to follow the Supreme Court of the United States by refusing to follow THE LAW and repeal the ban. AND they even tried to enforce it. Do you understand that??
- In Texas in 2015, James Miller killed Daniel Spencer for supposedly propositioning gay sex. He used the "gay panic defense" and got off by only being sentenced to 6 months in jail. Some people expressed outrage at this and according to family members there, the local Republican senators and Representatives refused to entertain the idea of introducing a gay panic defense ban and vowed to squash any motions to do so.

I could go ON AND ON AND ON.
And as I'm reading your posts, you come across as anti-liberal and right wing so aren't you supposed to be part of the "Party of no gay/lesbian/trans/anal/non-standard sex"??
Or are you trolling here? I'm starting to doubt why you posted the OP in the first place.

 

[lemonfreak]

davidsual
Hmm.. as an American watching the rise of censorship here in several states that I've lived in over 30 years, it's all the "religious right" pursuing censorship, not the "liberal left". I'll list 2 of them.
- When judges struck down a gay marriage ban in Iowa, Republicans censored and recalled those judges for allowing gay marriage. Oh and they gutted 2 state departments set up to handle those affairs so gay marriage there is still iffy at best because of all the roadblocks set up by the the Republicans who were just voted into office at that time. I mean, old people overwhelmingly went to the polls and actually did shady shit to stop others from voting like not letting their employees getting the day off to vote.
- In Idaho, there have been ballots signed and laws proposed by people to protect the status of those who have alternative lifestyles like Lesbians, Gays, etc.. But the overwhelming Republican state government has used tricks and procedures to block that from becoming law for over 20 years now.

Still not convinced? Google this shit.
- Back in 2014, the state of Lousiana's Republican majority rejected the Democrats' move to repeal the ban on consensual sex between same-sex participants. Since then a Republican sheriff in east Baton Rouge, Lousiana even set up undercover officers in bathrooms to propose same-sex relations then arrested those who said "yes". There was no sex involved and Louisiana's ban on same sex relations is technically illegal and unenforceable but that didn't stop them from changing their own laws or trying to enforce the ban.
- In Texas in 2015, James Miller killed Daniel Spencer for supposedly propositioning gay sex. He used the "gay panic defense" and got off by only being sentenced to 6 months in jail. Some people expressed outrage at this and according to family members there, the local Republican senators and Representatives refused to entertain the idea of introducing a gay panic defense ban and vowed to squash any motions to do so.

I could go ON AND ON AND ON.
And as I'm reading your posts, you come across as anti-liberal and right wing so aren't you supposed to be part of the "Party of no gay/lesbian/trans/anal/non-standard sex"??
Or are you trolling here? I'm starting to doubt why you posted the OP in the first place.

I came to that conclusion early so, while giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, I've been making damage control responses.

 

[whippetmaster]

I hit enter too soon and added the Supreme Court decision of 2003 where they decided that bans against sodomy are illegal. And all you need to do is google "States that still ban sodomy" and do a dive into it. Every time it's still there.. Republicans.. so if you are upset over bans on alternate, dirty sex. Look no further than the "religious right". And I wonder why so many "right wingers" cry over censorship when THEY ARE PROMOTING IT.

YOU. CAN'T. HAVE. IT. BOTH. WAYS.
If you're right wing, don't you dare accuse the "liberal left" of censorship until YOU stop censoring sex and sexual orientation.
Hold up... before you say "libbtard", many right wing talking heads tend to paint ALLL "liberals" with the same brush and then say they don't deserve to be lumped in with "other right wingers".
Uh.. Hold up a sec.
Scroll up.
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

 

[lemonfreak]

I hit enter too soon and added the Supreme Court decision of 2003 where they decided that bans against sodomy are illegal. And all you need to do is google "States that still ban sodomy" and do a dive into it. Every time it's still there.. Republicans.. so if you are upset over bans on alternate, dirty sex. Look no further than the "religious right". And I wonder why so many "right wingers" cry over censorship when THEY ARE PROMOTING IT.

YOU. CAN'T. HAVE. IT. BOTH. WAYS.
If you're right wing, don't you dare accuse the "liberal left" of censorship until YOU stop censoring sex and sexual orientation.
Hold up... before you say "libbtard", many right wing talking heads tend to paint ALLL "liberals" with the same brush and then say they don't deserve to be lumped in with "other right wingers".
Uh.. Hold up a sec.
Scroll up.
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

1,000,000,000,000x

As a UK citizen, born and ashamed, I feel it is better to not comment on the US. I have my opinions of course and, since it is undeniable that the US is more right-wing than the UK my views should be clear but I would rather leave the commentary to those more qualified.

 

[jamdan]

Making these games in the first place isn't a PC thing to do. As far as the fetish content goes, fringe things aren't in many games because....it's fringe content. AKA it's not popular, so people don't put it in their games.

As far as the political talk, a lot of people view "PC/Censorship" as a part of the left-wing as evident by some posts in this thread, but as far as sex goes, the PC/Censorship stuff is almost all right-wing, specifically the religious right-wing who are generally against sexual things in society in any shape or form.

 

[baloneysammich]

YOU. CAN'T. HAVE. IT. BOTH. WAYS.
If you're right wing, don't you dare accuse the "liberal left" of censorship until YOU stop censoring sex and sexual orientation.
Hold up... before you say "libbtard", many right wing talking heads tend to paint ALLL "liberals" with the same brush and then say they don't deserve to be lumped in with "other right wingers".
Uh.. Hold up a sec.
Scroll up.
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

The hyper-partisanship evidenced here is a bigger problem in America than political correctness IMO. Don't investigate or acknowledge any failings on one's own side, instead yell louder about the failings of one's opponents. Disagreements are always due to bigotry or socialist machinations or some other emotionally charged bullshit.

At least the right has a good excuse ATM... they can't stop yelling because even a moment of introspection could lead to the collapse of the Republican Party.

 

[whippetmaster]

I know if you're not an American, you're on the outside looking into us with basically no filter. I mean, you can obviously see the conflicting sides and statements then compare that to what's actually been done. And I'm sure many of you have had a conversation with or know a moderate who leans either way and to you, those moderates are given lip service but largely ignored in favor of the louder extremists. So if you're not a USA citizen and you think that we are a two-faced nation that ignores its own core values and gives you whiplash from all the things said and done/not done, then you're absolutely right.

I'm an American citizen with moderate political views and have been all my life. Sadly, I've often been accused of being a "libtard" or a "right wing nutter" when all I'm asking is "Did you look at other articles or watch any other programs to see all the facts and opinions?" It pisses me off that people I once thought were highly intelligent are now spouting this utterly nonsensical and purely idiotic drivel propelled by talking heads on either side. And they don't really take a good hard look at what they see and hear.
I don't understand why it's not American to say "hey fucktard, quit parroting someone else's bullshit. Make up your own shit, for god's sakes. Or if you're spineless enough to quote someone else's shit, you better know what the hell you're talking about. I'm too old for this shit and so are you!" Why do some Americans have to attack other Americans for simply asking them to research the shit they're spouting about? Honestly, I think if you're an American and you attack me for asking you to "back up your shit", then you're no longer an American. You're a parrot. A simple sheep.
And you know what sheep are famous for? Following the shepherds over cliffs and dying en masse. Like the sheep on one side who believe in "Gawd 'n cuntry" the proceed to threaten the neighbor's life over rumors of gay sex. With them being loud, it hides how small they are inside. Know what? I bet your ass that many of those pushing for "vanilla sex" are the religious right who secretly crave being rammed up the ass with a double dragon dildo.

 

[baloneysammich]

You don't like gay people, OK, I wish you didn't feel that way but have the common decency to accept that they still have rights

With apologies to lemonfreak it's this kind of thing that really made me appreciate the value of political correctness.

I'm neither conservative nor Christian, but I was raised in a conservative Christian area and I relate to conservatives more easily than I do liberals. Even years ago as a long time atheist, I was shocked when someone openly derided a particular Christian myth in front of a Christian colleague. Anyway, the point is that it's easy for me to "sympathize" with conservative positions even if I disagree with them.

There's the unspoken assumption in that quote that because someone "doesn't like gay people" they must not agree "that they still have rights." Sure, there are plenty of people on the Christian right spouting anti-gay garbage. But there really are those for whom the idea of gay marriage just doesn't jive with their beliefs, and that's the only point of contention.

Don't get me wrong, the quote itself is pretty tame and I don't think it really says anything about lemonfreak. But IMO that's the point. PC was never really about addressing overt bigotry, but rather about addressing things in everyday behaviour that tend to discourage people from broad social interaction.

 

[HandofVecna]

I know if you're not an American, you're on the outside looking into us with basically no filter. I mean, you can obviously see the conflicting sides and statements then compare that to what's actually been done. And I'm sure many of you have had a conversation with or know a moderate who leans either way and to you, those moderates are given lip service but largely ignored in favor of the louder extremists. So if you're not a USA citizen and you think that we are a two-faced nation that ignores its own core values and gives you whiplash from all the things said and done/not done, then you're absolutely right.

I'm an American citizen with moderate political views and have been all my life. Sadly, I've often been accused of being a "libtard" or a "right wing nutter" when all I'm asking is "Did you look at other articles or watch any other programs to see all the facts and opinions?" It pisses me off that people I once thought were highly intelligent are now spouting this utterly nonsensical and purely idiotic drivel propelled by talking heads on either side. And they don't really take a good hard look at what they see and hear.
I don't understand why it's not American to say "hey fucktard, quit parroting someone else's bullshit. Make up your own shit, for god's sakes. Or if you're spineless enough to quote someone else's shit, you better know what the hell you're talking about. I'm too old for this shit and so are you!" Why do some Americans have to attack other Americans for simply asking them to research the shit they're spouting about? Honestly, I think if you're an American and you attack me for asking you to "back up your shit", then you're no longer an American. You're a parrot. A simple sheep.
And you know what sheep are famous for? Following the shepherds over cliffs and dying en masse. Like the sheep on one side who believe in "Gawd 'n cuntry" the proceed to threaten the neighbor's life over rumors of gay sex. With them being loud, it hides how small they are inside. Know what? I bet your ass that many of those pushing for "vanilla sex" are the religious right who secretly crave being rammed up the ass with a double dragon dildo.

Its easier for people to be told what to say and think in an ever complex world they don't understand. It's just laziness.

 

[HandofVecna]

I also want to say it is refreshing to see what, by the standards of the internet, has been a relatively civilized and enlightened debate.

Que internet Troll Doyle...

 

[rangaru]

I think everyone should be respectful but if someone is being "homphobic/racist/sexist/antisemitic/transphobic and so on" I think it's just ignorant and yeah a lot of people will show you the door.. Sorry. I've personally no time for it. I don't think that's PC I think that is just common decency. Nothing nice to say keep it to your self and move on.

What is your point? I don't understand how this relate to anything I said. It's pointless virtue signaling.

 

[anne O'nymous]

IMO PC would be when game developers preach and bash players for being homphobic/racist/sexist/antisemitic/transphobic and so on.

And here came the demonstration that "political correctness" is just a made up concept that exist only on the mind of the reader.
Being told that you're a fucking asshole caveman, because you match one of the words on your list, is political correctness in the mind of some people. But for the guys who say this kind of things, political correctness is to be told that you are a fucking pervert monster because you like to have your dick sucked by your girl, that you have to be cured because you prefer same gender sex, and so on. This while for others it's still something totally different.

There isn't one "political correctness", but as much correctness than there's political agenda. Some are just "being respectful", other are "being hateful"... and which one is what only depend of your own personal view regarding the subject.

 

[researchpurposes]

Making these games in the first place isn't a PC thing to do. As far as the fetish content goes, fringe things aren't in many games because....it's fringe content. AKA it's not popular, so people don't put it in their games.

As far as the political talk, a lot of people view "PC/Censorship" as a part of the left-wing as evident by some posts in this thread, but as far as sex goes, the PC/Censorship stuff is almost all right-wing, specifically the religious right-wing who are generally against sexual things in society in any shape or form.

Shut up I dare you to introduce sex games that include rape or blackmail of women in their games to some lefty SJW feminist type. You'll be out of a job in no time.

 

[rangaru]

And here came the demonstration that "political correctness" is just a made up concept that exist only on the mind of the reader.

I used most common definition used by Wikipedia, "term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society", which seems correct to me.
From this I didn't see very PC loaded language in the porn games (maybe I'm wrong, I'm not native english speaker), policies doesn't apply, so only thing which was left of are measures.
Most common measures to apply political correctness are chastising people, preaching, stigmatising and so on. There are also ones most easly to implement in games. If creator makes player feel bad or offended for not being progressive enough in social issues game would have PC agenda. It's not a opinion and it's not about PC being good or bad, those are facts based on definition of the issue. I didn't saw much of it, so I don't see the problem yet.