Adult game and politically correct

[agriasoaks]

My thoughts on political correctness in game is really depending on where you are right now and if you creating such a game will get you into real life problems or not with the country you're in and with the laws that binds you to your nation.

If you're in a lucky country that have 'liberal' intrepretation of gaming freedom as to create as free as you want then the rest is just what are your intention in creating such a game ? are you creating like an artist like a meastro using the game programming, sound and art like a canvas to convey a work of art an erotic art that someone may or may not understand and appreciate ?

But most people creates erotic games because of financial reason to make more money then they spend as that is how economy work the said individual being economical not being idealistic.

The people that create games that are more and more like in terms of political correctness they simply aim to get a higher chance of the higher market audience and have access to greater amount of media that is able to place advertisement for their 'adult' products , adult products have already got very harsh requirements already as again understandable to create such a good/great adult game with erotic pictures , even sounds, musics and so on cost lot of real life money indeed these thing doesn't come cheap so the developer of the games so they wanted higher chances to be able to sell their products and hopefully they will earn profits for their games.

Sadly though, again sadly I must stressed this enough seem that even in the most 'liberal' countries they seem to be clamping down and being harsh on video games as video games is seen as the walking talking devil and being escape goat and blamed for most of crimes and violent behavior.

So long story short people are being 'funneled' to be in political correctness or face a huge backlash that could lead them not being able to make profits for their product.

That is in my humble opinion on what people that make games just want to stay within the 'safe zone of political correctness'

 

[HandofVecna]

I am noticing that all the recent games are becoming more and more homogenized and boring as a 20 years marriage relationship.

I personally noticing that politically correctness that is corrupting all arts in modern era and therefore even porn.

Most of the developers for adult games are from US, that together with UK and some other Nordic countries are the most affected by politically correctness.
I feel sorry for them...

I see that current adult games are not exploring animore the dirty, filthy, forbidden part of the sex, but the fall on the standard marital sex, consent sex, etc etc...

Personally I think, the real and good sex, cannot be conformist...
Games should exploit the area of imagination that are not allowed in real life otherwise it all becomes a boring transfiguration of what real life is.

I believe politically correctness is strangling creativity, desire to break rules and the results are boring experiences.

What are your thoughts?

Some Western governments make no distinction between real life and little pixels of light on your computer screen when it comes to sex. But mostly Paypal, Patreon, etc don't distinguish between the two. It's not that artist/devs don't want to push boundaries it's that they want to get paid or avoid prison. It's up to our Japanese colleges to push boundaries where they have more freedom. We in the west, our hands are tied.

 

[rangaru]

Could you provide some examples? I don't see much of PC stuff in porn games, more like just typical normie western perspective. Which isn't weird since the most creators were raised on tv shows and hosts whom had very strong "open and tolerant society" bullshit bias. If you read chinese novel you would see that the most of them are at least slightly xenophobic and nationalistic, and Japanese are full of pacifism and shit like that. We are all children of our surroundings.

 

[Alea iacta est]

Some Western governments make no distinction between real life and little pixels of light on your computer screen when it comes to sex. But mostly Paypal, Patreon, etc don't distinguish between the two. It's not that artist/devs don't want to push boundaries it's that they want to get paid or avoid prison. It's up to our Japanese colleges to push boundaries where they have more freedom. We in the west, our hands are tied.

Appreciate your answer, I feel exactly the same.. Money/market driven society.

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

Could you provide some examples? I don't see much of PC stuff in porn games, more like just typical normie western perspective. Which isn't weird since the most creators were raised on tv shows and hosts whom had very strong "open and tolerant society" bullshit bias. If you read chinese novel you would see that the most of them are at least slightly xenophobic and nationalistic, and Japanese are full of pacifism and shit like that. We are all children of our surroundings.

Try to be open and tolerant is actually a good thing, in my opinion. Would you like to live in a country where people don't tolerate you because you have red hair, black skin or whatever? I don't think PC as a problem. And I don't think PC and dictatorship can be written together. I think there is a difference between respect and tolerance (PC) and overprotective restrictions (PC). Both can be considered PC. The first is good, the second propably not so much.

Just look about some islamic countries whre women, lesbians and gays, christians, jews etc. mean less or nothing. If they had PC then their lives could be better. SO PC isn'T necessarily a bad thing. What you seem to not like is when someone exaggerates with PC like no tomorrow and hinders creative freedom in fiction. That's a different thing. But I think the authors have their own style and visions and if that somehow happens to be more or less PC than that doesn't mean it wasn't their own vision. I believ most people are more or less PC because they just feel that way and learned that tolerance and respect are actually helpful and good things for a societey and thus they want that in their games because they just LIKE that. Like really in most adult games you play the GOOD guy or a bad guy that isn't actually bad in comparison to the real bad guys. WHY? Because of PC? No. Because people prefer playing the good guys and because authors also prefer playing the good guys hence they are WRITING good guys.

 

[rangaru]

Try to be open and tolerant is actually a good thing, in my opinion. Would you like to live in a country where people don't tolerate you because you have red hair, black skin or whatever? I don't think PC as a problem. And I don't think PC and dictatorship can be written together. I think there is a difference between respect and tolerance (PC) and overprotective restrictions (PC). Both can be considered PC. The first is good, the second propably not so much.

I didn't said that it's bad, you can believe whatever you want. It's a ideology and it has good sides and bad sides. I think I made a desctintion between PC and western perspective. IMO PC would be when game developers preach and bash players for being homphobic/racist/sexist/antisemitic/transphobic and so on. But I seen that only once so I don't see this a problem. My post was about PC not being a problem in the porn games.

Just look about some islamic countries whre women, lesbians and gays, christians, jews etc. mean less or nothing. If they had PC then their lives could be better.

That just seems like prejudice to me. You don't realy know them you just assume some things on the basis what your media will tell you and then you decide to give them some more PC culture. Colonialism much?

 

[HandofVecna]

When I think PC on here I don't personally think of maybe social PC I think of sexual PC. Social PC is not PC to me. Racism is probably the easiest example. Don't call an African-American the N word. You can. You have that freedom in the West. You just don't have the freedom from consequences. Also, why use the word? It has zero value add. It's not a PC thing. It's a respect thing and cost benefit analysis. Maybe...maybe in the right context but it better be really good context b/c why piss off consumers by using it?

Now, when I think of PC and SJW from Patreon and Paypal for example (and here a bit) I think of the petite police. Those who think all woman who are under 6'4 and smaller than DD Cup are little girls. Or if the animation has big eyes its a little girl. Or people who want to police fetishes. That's the SJW/PC that bugs me and I think is prevalent in the West at this moment ad on this site at times. Irony is people have no problem playing video games that kill people but when you throw in certain sexual fetishes like incest or NC people go bat shit crazy pissed off. Go figure.

 

[kytee]

Could you provide some examples? I don't see much of PC stuff in porn games, more like just typical normie western perspective. Which isn't weird since the most creators were raised on tv shows and hosts whom had very strong "open and tolerant society" bullshit bias. If you read chinese novel you would see that the most of them are at least slightly xenophobic and nationalistic, and Japanese are full of pacifism and shit like that. We are all children of our surroundings.

There was a game called Reparations, made a few months ago. The dev is one that I think would fit this thread's vision of non-PC.

 

[HandofVecna]

I didn't said that it's bad, you can believe whatever you want. It's a ideology and it has good sides and bad sides. I think I made a desctintion between PC and western perspective. IMO PC would be when game developers preach and bash players for being homphobic/racist/sexist/antisemitic/transphobic and so on. But I seen that only once so I don't see this a problem. My post was about PC not being a problem in the porn games.

That just seems like prejudice to me. You don't realy know them you just assume some things on the basis what your media will tell you and then you decide to give them some more PC culture. Colonialism much?

I think everyone should be respectful but if someone is being "homphobic/racist/sexist/antisemitic/transphobic and so on" I think it's just ignorant and yeah a lot of people will show you the door.. Sorry. I've personally no time for it. I don't think that's PC I think that is just common decency. Nothing nice to say keep it to your self and move on.

 

[lemonfreak]

I don't think don't think PC is in any way a bad thing, all it has done is remove words and terms that marginalise minorities and the vulnerable. Look at what passed for mainstream comedy on UK television in the 1970s:


I will grant you that in Love Thy Neighbour the racist white man was always shown to be wrong but, nevertheless, it would be unacceptable today and that is what PC does away with. It means the British Conservative party will never again run with the campaign slogan 'If You Want A N-word (they didn't say N-word) For A Neighbour, Vote Liberal Or Labour'. It means a trans woman won't be asked if she used to be a man. And it means that I will be described as a person with autism, not an autistic person. This shit matters.

 

[HandofVecna]

One more note. I understand that people from certain cultures and countries that have not experienced a great deal of immigration and multi-culturalism the "PC" social culture of the Western world and it could seem baffling and hard to navigate. Honest mistakes happen. That said, always know your audience before you speak (or dev a game).

Everyone have a wonderful day! Just my two cents.

 

[kytee]

I don't think don't think PC is in any way a bad thing, all it has done is remove words and terms that marginalise minorities and the vulnerable.

I strongly disagree that PC is only about removing offensive words and terms, it's also about the censorship of ideas and people who the enforcers of PC think minorities might view as offensive. I don't like gay people, bam! I am automatically labeled homophobic and any views of mine are deemed false. If a doctor espouses the fact that there are only 2 genders, bam! Silenced for being sexist. To the PC police, words and terms are only the symptoms of the deeper issues, ideas.

 

[tomcire]

I think that porn, by it self, have to be offensive, in a way or another.
Can I see examples of widespread PC in porn games?

 

[Alea iacta est]

I strongly disagree that PC is only about removing offensive words and terms, it's also about the censorship of ideas and people who the enforcers of PC think minorities might view as offensive. I don't like gay people, bam! I am automatically labeled homophobic and any views of mine are deemed false. If a doctor espouses the fact that there are only 2 genders, bam! Silenced for being sexist. To the PC police, words and terms are only the symptoms of the deeper issues, ideas.

That is all about... censorship. Silence disagreement.
Keeping this dictatorial behaviors, presented with a good face of words like exclusivity, diversity and all the buzz words typical of PC.
Labeling the disagreement with words like: deplorables, homophobic, sexists etc.. it is just the clean way of execution by a fire squad.

PC in my point of view is pure dictatorship.. and what dictatorship does... decline. Decline in creativity, decline in arts.

 

[tomcire]

That is all about... censorship. Silence disagreement.
Keeping this dictatorial behaviors, presented with a good face of words like exclusivity, diversity and all the buzz words typical of PC.
Labeling the disagreement with words like: deplorables, homophobic, sexists etc.. it is just the clean way of execution by a fire squad.

PC in my point of view is pure dictatorship.. and what dictatorship does... decline. Decline in creativity, decline in arts.

Ok, but I don't see this much PC in games.
Can you make any example?

 

[lemonfreak]

I strongly disagree that PC is only about removing offensive words and terms, it's also about the censorship of ideas and people who the enforcers of PC think minorities might view as offensive. I don't like gay people, bam! I am automatically labeled homophobic and any views of mine are deemed false. If a doctor espouses the fact that there are only 2 genders, bam! Silenced for being sexist. To the PC police, words and terms are only the symptoms of the deeper issues, ideas.

That's a conflation of 2 ideologically opposed concepts, political correctness and censorship of ideas. Political correctness, by removing from the lexicon terms that help to marginalise people, allows more ideas to rise to the surface. Censorship silences those voices and keeps the old nullites (a portmanteau I have just invented combining Null with Elites to illustrate those with have hereditary power that cannot concieve of the notion of doing good with it) in place.

You don't like gay people, OK, I wish you didn't feel that way but have the common decency to accept that they still have rights. Accept that while it is mostly true from a strictly biological point of view that there are only 2 genders, bringing this up in conversation does nothing but hurt people who, for whatever reason, don't fit into that dichotomy.

And before you bring it up, yes, there are plenty of left wing voices that promote censorship rather than PC and they're idiots too

I think that porn, by it self, have to be offensive, in a way or another.
Can I see examples of widespread PC in porn games?

That Midlife Crisis, WVM and Fetish Locator all feature trans characters who are portrayed as real people and not merely fetish fodder illustrates that.

Or look to IRL porn where the likes of Chanel Santini, Aubrey Kate and Daisy Taylor are treated as beautiful young women who just happen to have something a little extra.

 

[tomcire]

That Midlife Crisis, WVM and Fetish Locator all feature trans characters who are portrayed as real people and not merely fetish fodder illustrates that.

By itself that doesn't mean they are "politically correct" as meant in this thread. They have main characters who are a bit more dept, but off course they are made for a certain type of audience or author's fetish.

Or look to IRL porn where the likes of Chanel Santini, Aubrey Kate and Daisy Taylor are treated as beautiful young women who just happen to have something a little extra.

Nothing to do with games.

 

[lemonfreak]

By itself that doesn't mean they are "politically correct" as meant in this thread. They have main characters who are a bit more dept, but off course they are made for a certain type of audience or author's fetish.

It's hardly my fault that many of the people in this thread don't know what PC is, especially after I've thoroughly explined it to them multiple times.

Nothing to do with games.

And I used the words 'Or to take' which can only be construed as my understanding that, while I was straying off-topic, I was using outside evidence to further support my claims.

 

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[lemonfreak]

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