Adult game and politically correct

[Alea iacta est]

Shut up I dare you to introduce sex games that include rape or blackmail of women in their games to some lefty SJW feminist type. You'll be out of a job in no time.

And exactly what you say... is the face of PC... if you do not comply you will OUT OF A JOB IN NO TIME. Typical punishment for not following the PC agenda....

That is the danger of the politically correctness.. it is not an option.. is a dictatorship with very clear punishments if you do not comply....

I remember times when people were cursing religion for not letting them "being free"... here we are.. replaced religion with a dictatorship..

 

[Alea iacta est]

I think everyone should be respectful but if someone is being "homphobic/racist/sexist/antisemitic/transphobic and so on" I think it's just ignorant and yeah a lot of people will show you the door.. Sorry. I've personally no time for it. I don't think that's PC I think that is just common decency. Nothing nice to say keep it to your self and move on.

THERE YOU ARE.... you are labeling people.. because have a different point of view!! IGNORANT.
Ignorant who voted for Brexit?!!
Ignorant who voted for Trump?!?
Ignorant who lives in Russia?!?!
Ignorant who lives in China?!?!

If you do not like something you find the label for mark the people that disagree from your point of view.. that is dictatorship of politically correctness.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I used most common definition used by Wikipedia, "term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society", which seems correct to me.

You achieved to totally miss my point, and still prove it right.

You apply this definition to what offend you, to what seem, from your point of view, to be a disadvantage.
But the fact is that there's people who are offended by the sole mention of sex, who think that they become disadvantaged in their search for a spouse, if everybody see sexuality as more than they are ready to provide. And those people, as well as their speech, totally fit the definition you used as reference for "political correctness".

From this I didn't see very PC loaded language in the porn games (maybe I'm wrong, I'm not native english speaker), policies doesn't apply, so only thing which was left of are measures.

The key word here is "I".

Yes, you don't see that much political correctness in games, but in the same time, you clearly don't share OP view over what is "political correctness". For him, there's a lot of political correctness nowadays in adult games, because too few of them explore "the dirty, filthy, forbidden part of the sex".
Unlike you, he don't define "political correctness" as the enforcement of whatever kind of acceptance, but but as the rejection of the "deviancy" implied by any kind of sexuality.

And in the end, both of you are correct... from your own point of view, and with your own definition of what "political correctness" mean. Simply because, like I said, it fully depend of the reader, and nothing more.

 

[anne O'nymous]

If you do not like something you find the label for mark the people that disagree from your point of view.. that is dictatorship of politically correctness.

You mean, like when someone put an implied "dictator" label, on the head of everyone who don't share his view ?

My definition is PC: is the dictatorship that force people to [...] This dictatorship believes creating a sterile language [...]

Dictatorship of politically correctness sit on top of the real dictatorship of nowadays... dictatorship of relativism...

Keeping this dictatorial behaviors, [...]

PC in my point of view is pure dictatorship.. and what dictatorship does... [...]

Politically correctness is pure censorship. [...]
Label someone as racist [...] is censorship.
Label someone as homophobic [...] is censorship.
Label someone as sexist [...] is censorship.
[...]

PC = censorship/dictatorship

That is the danger of the politically correctness.. it is not an option.. is a dictatorship [...]

[...] here we are.. replaced religion with a dictatorship..

 

[lawfullame]

I do not perceive the lack of certain content in porn as political correctness. Most people just don't like certain content, therefore, most games do not include it.
But political correctness is one of the worst problems of today's Western society.
I live in a post-communist country and I see that the restriction of freedom of speech in Western countries is very similar to the restriction of freedom of speech that existed in my country before 1989.
In the past, views that were against communist ideology were censored, today views are censored in the name of combating hate speech, gender and racial stereotypes and for some people, these terms are very broad.
Censoring today works in the name of another ideology, but the principle is the same. Censorship is censorship.
Unfortunately, this trend also exists in my country, but it is much weaker than, for example, in Britain.
People in countries that have recently experienced a totalitarian regime are much more cautious when they see someone trying to restrict their freedom of speech.
In the past, a person in my country could go to prison if he criticized communism, today in some countries a person can go to prison, for example, if he criticizes Muslim immigrants, because even legitimate criticism is often referred to as hate speech.
Decades-old books that "promote gender stereotypes" tend to be removed from school libraries.
That's just not good.

 

[rangaru]

You apply this definition to what offend you, to what seem, from your point of view, to be a disadvantage.

No, nothing from those things offends me and I don't see that as a disadventage. You assume too much.

And you are right I can quite understand what you are trying to tell. I'm sorry. But I think that "particular groups in society" written in defintion are obviously "protected groups" in conteporary society and pretty much everyone understand that they don't include minority groups of quakers or Texan nationalists.

 

[obibobi]

You can make fun of anything and everything and only someone with a gaping chasm where their brain should be would fail to comprehend that; political correctness, not to mention COMMON DECENCY, asks you to learn that what you say can hurt people unintentionally and to have the merest sliver of empathy for your fellow human beings. Or, at the very least, to stop being a cunt (which, to be clear since I'm British, I DO NOT mean as a term of endearment). You can call a Little Person a Midget if you know why you shouldn't, you can call a trans person a Tranny if you realise it's potentially hurtful and you can call a person with Cerebral Palsy a Spaca if you truly get it.

No, it doesn't, don't try to dictate what language means when it suits. You're just making it harder to communicate.


Speaking negatively of the Government in America is political correct. Speaking negatively of the Government in China is politically incorrect. It does not = human decency, just publically acceptable language and ideas

You already using the term human decency, which has an obvious meaning so there's no reason for you to pretend that political correctness has the same meaning. The only who really want want the term to lose it's meaning are those that try to thought police, trying to make it harder to argue against forced speech and ideas

 

[Alea iacta est]

You mean, like when someone put an implied "dictator" label, on the head of everyone who don't share his view ?

Are you familiar with the tale... when the wise man point the moon the idiot look at the finger..

I made a very broad speech about an ideology (Politically correctness). I am not labeling people that disagree or agree with my point of view.. I am talking about ideologies, dictatorship of relativism (you can find more on philosophy books) and politically correctness.

again.. I am not using the PC techniques of denigrating those who thinks different!!!

Please review my post, before coming out with silly statemens.

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

Making these games in the first place isn't a PC thing to do. As far as the fetish content goes, fringe things aren't in many games because....it's fringe content. AKA it's not popular, so people don't put it in their games.

As far as the political talk, a lot of people view "PC/Censorship" as a part of the left-wing as evident by some posts in this thread, but as far as sex goes, the PC/Censorship stuff is almost all right-wing, specifically the religious right-wing who are generally against sexual things in society in any shape or form.

The left PC is more like don't be racist, homophobic and stuff, that's all. No censorship except you are promoting(!) racism. But if you are saying racist things you don't get censored but rather blamed. You have freedom of speech, but you do not have the freedom to be an racist or homophobic asshole AND then expect to not be blamed for. Freedom of speech, yes, but you will get blamed if you are an asshole, that is what I understand under leftist/liberal PC and that is not a bad thing. Censorship is a totally different thing.

ANd it's also the other way around. You say for example "not every refugee is a bad person" then all the right wing injustice warrior run to you and blame you for being so antigerman (read anti_country_ if you ain't german) etc. you get blamed for having an opinion.

So I rather prefer PC that has the mindset for tolerance and respect than rather hatred and "i wanna say everything, especially if it's racist".

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

Shut up I dare you to introduce sex games that include rape or blackmail of women in their games to some lefty SJW feminist type. You'll be out of a job in no time.

Shut up I dare you to introduce sex games that include a confident and succesful woman as main protagonist in their games to some righty Social Injustice Warrior religious-misogynic type. You'll be out of a job in no time.

Extremes are everywhere. But 99% of feminists aren't extreme, that's why you never hear about them. And not every feminist is left, and not every left is a SJW but rather for gender equality in rights. And not every righty is automatically antifeminist or misogynic. Hope you get what I mean.

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

THERE YOU ARE.... you are labeling people.. because have a different point of view!! IGNORANT.
Ignorant who voted for Brexit?!!
Ignorant who voted for Trump?!?
Ignorant who lives in Russia?!?!
Ignorant who lives in China?!?!

If you do not like something you find the label for mark the people that disagree from your point of view.. that is dictatorship of politically correctness.

But PC doesn't always come with censorship. It can also just mean learning awareness and that's it. censorship and PC doesn't necessarily come together. Freedom of art is a thing in Germany. PC is mostly just making awareness to behave respectful or tolerant at least. If it's different in USA, then okay…

 

[rangaru]

The left PC is more like don't be racist, homophobic and stuff, that's all. No censorship except you are promoting(!) racism. But if you are saying racist things you don't get censored but rather blamed. You have freedom of speech, but you do not have the freedom to be an racist or homophobic asshole AND then expect to not be blamed for. Freedom of speech, yes, but you will get blamed if you are an asshole, that is what I understand under leftist/liberal PC and that is not a bad thing. Censorship is a totally different thing.

ANd it's also the other way around. You say for example "not every refugee is a bad person" then all the right wing injustice warrior run to you and blame you for being so antigerman (read anti_country_ if you ain't german) etc. you get blamed for having an opinion.

So I rather prefer PC that has the mindset for tolerance and respect than rather hatred and "i wanna say everything, especially if it's racist".

This is fantastic, entire post justifying shaming people and ending about tolerance and respect. Be truthful to yourself it's not about tolerance it's about power. 50 years ago conservatives were shaming and kicking gays out of their jobs and now somehow gays do the same to conservatives. It would be even funny and ironic if not for scale of this thing.

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

This is fantastic, entire post justifying shaming people and ending about tolerance and respect. Be truthful to yourself it's not about tolerance it's about power. 50 years ago conservatives were shaming and kicking gays out of their jobs and now somehow gays do the same to conservatives. It would be even funny and ironic if not for scale of this thing.

Maybe you didn't understand my post. I make it clear for you. If someone being a real racist asshole, then blaming him for that isn't about respect or tolerance. Because why tolerating intolerance why having respect for people without respect at all?

Just imagine this. You are a white person and I am lets say a black person. So you live in a country with majority black people. I am your neighbour and harassing you and being mean to you and say racist things to you because you have the wrong skin color in my opinion. Other neighbours (most of them black as well) then blame me for my unrespectful/intolerant/racist behaviour. Would you REALLY think that was so a bad thing that they blamed me for being an racist and intolerant asshole to you? Would you really think you better deserve all the shit just to keep up your agenda that PC is always a bad thing even if you get treaten like shit? In your logic, you would defend me being racist to you? Really? And what if I go even further and cross even more lines? Would you still forgive me being racist and all to you? I don't believe you!

And another thing. Conservatives does not automatically mean homophobic. Get your facts right! If a conservative loses his job for being an homophobic asshole, he doesn't lose his job for being conservative, but for being homophobic. If a leftist being homophobic and racist, that person would be blamed as well, but again for being homophobic and racist and not for being leftist, conservative, liberal or whatever.

 

[rangaru]

Maybe you didn't understand my post. I make it clear for you. If someone being a real racist asshole, then blaming him for that isn't about respect or tolerance. Because why tolerating intolerance why having respect for people without respect at all?

Just imagine this. You are a white person and I am lets say a black person. So you live in a country with majority black people. I am your neighbour and harassing you and being mean to you and say racist things to you because you have the wrong skin color in my opinion. Other neighbours (most of them black as well) then blame me for my unrespectful/intolerant/racist behaviour. Would you REALLY think that was so a bad thing that they blamed me for being an racist and intolerant asshole to you? Would you really think you better deserve all the shit just to keep up your agenda that PC is always a bad thing even if you get treaten like shit?

And another thing. Conservatives does not automatically mean homophobic. Get your facts right! If a conservative loses his job for being an homophobic asshole, he doesn't lose his job for being conservative, but for being homophobic. If a leftist being homophobic and racist, that person would be blamed as well, but again for being homophobic and racist and not for being leftist, conservative, liberal or whatever.

I'm not saying anything about this being good or bad. It's a matter or opinion.
And if PC was about fighting with harassment nobody would be against it except harassers. The problem is that someone saying, "I don't like LGBT culture and I don't want to be associated with it" and other one saying, "We need to eradicate homosexuals, because they kill as all" make them both "homophobic assholes" who should be fired.
Or if someone doesn't like Islam that put him in the same group of "islamophobic assholes" with someone who blames muslims for everything and wants to put them in concentration camps.
Being against harassment and incitement to violence isn't the same as being PC.

 

[Alea iacta est]

But PC doesn't always come with censorship. It can also just mean learning awareness and that's it. censorship and PC doesn't necessarily come together. Freedom of art is a thing in Germany. PC is mostly just making awareness to behave respectful or tolerant at least. If it's different in USA, then okay…

Behave respectfully and be tolerant...

Based on the standards decided by the PC agenda...

If you are not tolerant on the fact that people can buy/sell kids (you might know as surrogate mother)... Then you are homophobic, deplorable etc....

Tolerant until you agree with the agenda

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

Which standards? Those from left wing of Texas, those from right wing of Kansas? Those from thee green party of Seattle? Those from liberals of Southern germany, which standards? Which PC? There isn't only one PC. The thing I am talking about is the common sense that majority of people can agree on. Not being racist, not being homophobic.

Nobody censors you if you say you don't like gays. You could get some blame because you phrased it like an idiot. But that's all. People blaming you because you being rude isn't censorship. You have to bear other opinions as well. Why would you say "I don't like gays"? Why would gay people say "I don't like heterosexuals"? It doesn't add something valuable to a discussion. You could say "I don't like watching two men kissing each other, but that's it. Personally I don't have anything against gay people, but I just don't like watching them kiss each other, hence I look away instead of watching them" but phrasing it like "I don't like gays" is just dumb IMO. You add nothing valuable. You don't understand why it is dumb?
Then imagine this. A gay person walks to you and says "I don't like heterosexual people". Now?`That's just dumb and that gay person has to live with some blame. But he doesn't get censored as you don't get censored. Just some blame (MAYBE, Maybe not) but PC is not necessarily censorship.

If you say "I don't like Islam / I don't like gays" you could get questions like "why you don't like them" but you could also get some blames. You have to live with that if you phrase in that generic (and dumb) way. You have to live with that, that's freedom of speech. YOUR opinion can get backwind as well, not only theirs. We are all people and we can't look into each other's head. That's why some respect and tolerance is a good thing.

You try to make it like you aren't allowed to say stupid things. That's not it. You can say stupid things, saying stupid things just sometimes can win you stupid prizes.

You don't go to people and say what you all don't like, so why is it so important to you to express you don't like gays? As if ever someone asked for that. If you don't like gays, than just date women? That would be more clever than saying you don't like gays.

"If you are not tolerant on the fact that people can buy/sell kids (you might know as surrogate mother)... Then you are homophobic, deplorable etc.... "
Not if you can explain in a respectful way why you think that way.

 

[rangaru]

Why would you say "I don't like gays"? Why would gay people say "I don't like heterosexuals"? It doesn't add something valuable to a discussion

It does. It add people feelings and opinions, which is a essence of discussion. Moreover PC is only about "protected groups", so you are perfectly fine one your saying, "I don't like men" or "I don't like straight people".

"I don't like watching two men kissing each other, but that's it. Personally I don't have anything against gay people, but I just don't like watching them kiss each other, hence I look away instead of watching them" but phrasing it like "I don't like gays" is just dumb IMO

Because that hipothetical person doesn't give a shit about kissing he just don't like gay people. More over I didn't even said anything about him disliking gays personaly, only about subculture associated with LGBT movenment.

A gay person walks to you and says "I don't like heterosexual people"

Like I said, I seen this plenty. "White hetero men are the worst" is celebrated statement not admonished one. But it's cool, they have the right to their opinions.

 

[polywog]

The hyper-partisanship evidenced here is a bigger problem in America than political correctness IMO. Don't investigate or acknowledge any failings on one's own side, instead yell louder about the failings of one's opponents. Disagreements are always due to bigotry or socialist machinations or some other emotionally charged bullshit.

At least the right has a good excuse ATM... they can't stop yelling because even a moment of introspection could lead to the collapse of the Republican Party.

The Republican party isn't the one that's failing. Joe (child molester) Biden...

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

It does. It add people feelings and opinions, which is a essence of discussion. Moreover PC is only about "protected groups", so you are perfectly fine one your saying, "I don't like men" or "I don't like straight people".

Sorry, but I simply don't believe you. That makes no sense and I have never seen something ridiculous like that.

Because that hipothetical person doesn't give a shit about kissing he just don't like gay people. More over I didn't even said anything about him disliking gays personaly, only about subculture associated with LGBT movenment.

And that means you also disapprove about the LGBT movement? How would that be better?

Like I said, I seen this plenty. "White hetero men are the worst" is celebrated statement not admonished one. But it's cool, they have the right to their opinions.

I have never heard this bullshit, except some incels claiming this to be said from feminists, but never heard this by myself.

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

The Republican party isn't the one that's failing. Joe (child molester) Biden...

He must be, because otherwise the right wing airheads would have no arguments against him /sarcasm

Seriously can you keep your american politics bullshit to yourself. most of us here are europeans that don't care about american's fear of at least listening to opinions that ain't right-wing.