Unity Completed AI deal Rays [v2.1.2] [Riez-ON]

[gizzvn]

wow, so much negative reviews on steam, i guess waiting for reviews is a right choice, the author really screwed up this time.

 

[CBTWizard]

MC: I'll decide for AI-deal.

Dev: The AI will decide for me.

I can only hope that some disgruntled fan can make a kitbash to include the best of both versions at this point.

 

[bebe2803]

so dev said he will attempt to make R18 DLC for steam version, why he cant just sell steam R18 patch on dlsite like some games? Yes this method is rare after all publisher like kagura provided great support for law problems and platform to host uncensored patches. I am surprised he mentioned some publisher contacted him before and say if he really afraid the lawsuit he can sell the game to them. Maybe AI told him to reject those deals lol

 

[MK252000]

new update, this time regarding implementation of R18 patch to Steam version

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so people has been bullying dev too much that he finally bend over
he consider about remaking the R18 patch available again to public but under several condition:

1. The R18 patch will be uploaded to Steam as DLC that will be sold commercially, and due to difference on price, he will gauge it so that the entire thing will cost the same as DLsite version, meaning DLC patch will cost probably 5X OF THE GAME ITSELF
2. The duration for R18 patch to get into steam is predicted to take 1-2 month, because Steam might be a little finicky to work with, and once again, he fear that he will get banned completely from Steam and if he did, he will just move on completely
3. It is still NOT UNCENSORED, genitalia will remain censored like DLsite version, the reason for this is because dev is too much of pussy about violating japanese creative law, people has been explaining to him that it's okay as multiple dev undergo same action and remain uncaught and he too should take same approach, as in, contacting overseas publisher who has done it. But he still afraid to do it because none of them give any form of reassurance because everyone only cite "no one is caught yet so it's safe, trust us", he ain't taking it, nu-uh, nada, he's too much of paranoid thinking someone could knock his door one morning and arrest him for this so even if we're getting R18 patch on Steam it will remain censored
4. As promised of update for DLsite version, he will take priority in updating DLsite before making R18 patch for Steam version..... PPPFFFFTT, we went full circle
5. Some of the asset in R18 patch that will turn the graphical stuff back on will interfere with current shaders that is part of the promise of the milestone regarding graphic upgrade, as result the new shader might need to be turned off in case people want to use the R18 patch, fucking scam at this point
6. He ask people if they want to discuss about R18 stuff they must not contact him using the all-ages media account (
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   ) but instead the R18 account (
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   )

that conclude his proposal for R18 because he had enough with the bullying and hate, and if people accept this, he will implement it, just vote yes in his blog post

• Accept the proposal, forgiving AI-deal-Rays
• Reject the proposal, do not forgive AI-deal-Rays

for foot nore, i'm speechless at dev deicision making that lead him to this.... he propose the idea of uploading the R18 patch on his blog initially, and now he trying to CHARGE you for it by slapping it on Steam!? did he thought a literal porn patch will be allowed in Steam? he literally make the game all-ages just to avoid all issue and now he's bringing the issue himself??? also the DLC price will be jacked up so that the sum price will be on par with DLsite version
update: about 95% people are okay with this proposal and accept it

 

[The3nd014]

it will get uploaded here anyways or somewhere else after that if they follow through with it we can forget them or they can learn from this and make better decisions for future games

 

[I just want lewds]

this is kinda like that time people kicked the sonic movie in the balls until they made sonic look good

 

[mugijos95]

You know, for as much as people are giving the Steam version hate, and harrasing the dev, I'd have to say that I for one, understand his situation and honestly it just makes sense to me, but why?

You see, with all the scandal of payment processors and hosting sites, and the adult games industry as a whole (and the reputation it implicitly gives to the devs) it makes sense to have a branching carrer to more SFW games as that at the very least ensures the dev can in the future go AA or with some luck find a job at a big studio withough having to bend the truth just to avoid the dreaded "my experience in games comes from porn games", there's just a bad stigma around it that big studios just don't want.

It just baffles me that the shift was so sudden, I mean maybe start on another game, or something, but regardless of his decition, it to me makes sense for a future looking path, kind of a shame that people go to the length of harrasing the dev because "muh porn", but I guess it is what it is.

On the DLC price it's kinda funny to me, because that to me screams "please don't buy the DLC, I intended the game to be all-ages moving on" lol.

 

[Arde645]

You see, with all the scandal of payment processors and hosting sites, and the adult games industry as a whole (and the reputation it implicitly gives to the devs) it makes sense to have a branching carrer to more SFW games as that at the very least ensures the dev can in the future go AA or with some luck find a job at a big studio withough having to bend the truth just to avoid the dreaded "my experience in games comes from porn games", there's just a bad stigma around it that big studios just don't want.

You're thinking about this from too much of a Western view. The dev is JP and is very JP-coded, which means he's unlikely to ever leave Japan.

In Japan, if you started indie, you likely dipped at least a toe or two in R-18 works. It's not expected, but it's very unsurprising if it comes out that they did. They might get a raised eyebrow and a judging look though if they were confident enough in their work to put it in their resume as a main talking point about their abilities. Most people set up a separate portfolio of work examples and credentials for stuff like that.

The average JP person (outside of devs trying to market to foreign markets) barely cared about the VISA/Mastercard scandal outside of taking it as an insult against JP products. It's almost all payment apps, bank cards, and cash over there if you're buying things in-country.

I too agree though that he should've just finished off ADR with a neat little bow & ribbon to get some more goodwill then just started a new project if he wanted to branch off to SFW.

 

[Kerowaj]

this is kinda like that time people kicked the sonic movie in the balls until they made sonic look good

Except it's not gonna look good because it's still not gonna be uncensored and even the dlsite version has worst censoring i've ever seen in a 3d hentai game, literally divine light in the shape of a dick

 

[MK252000]

You see, with all the scandal of payment processors and hosting sites, and the adult games industry as a whole (and the reputation it implicitly gives to the devs) it makes sense to have a branching carrer to more SFW games as that at the very least ensures the dev can in the future go AA or with some luck find a job at a big studio withough having to bend the truth just to avoid the dreaded "my experience in games comes from porn games", there's just a bad stigma around it that big studios just don't want.

on top of that being Western PoV mentioned by Ardea, i believe you forgot that multiple game porn games that stay on Steam right now still is at Steam and avoid the purge that happen month ago.

the key here is to NOT adding the porn patch inside the Steam and host it somewhere else FOR FREE, which the dev failed to execute, i mean the baffling part here is that the R18 patch was promised to be hosted in his blog before he decided to roll back the idea because he got negative feedback of his own AI terrible decision.

in his latest blog post he mention that he got offered by multiple publisher (didn't explicitly stated which, but i believe one of them is Kagura Games) that willing to work with him in bringing the game to Steam, but he choose to reject those offer because none of them give him any solid assurance besides "nobody got caught yet", he don't like the idea of living in constant fear that one day someone will bang on his door due to uncensored porn, but i think that's just paranoia. Dude is japanese living in japan and not tight controlled country like North Taiwan where they send police to check every single passenger in daily train to see any illegal digital possession (porn), japanese police have better thing to do than cracking down on every single porn creator (artist, animator, game dev, etc).

no, Steam cannot point at game like one sell by Kagura Games as porn because there is no porn in it no matter how they look at it, they can dig the game file that was submitted and they WILL NOT find any porn because it is being omitted away as external patch free to grab in the publisher official page, and dev cannot call them out either because they can argue that it's not mandatory patch but rather a mod. Just like how any other popular game like Skyrim have porn mod, they can argue the game they sell have a mod which include pornography, but it's not like they force or mandate their customer to install this mod, customer can enjoy the game as it is just fine.

 

[Boonducks]

On DLsite version game still getting an update? or this one is already a full complete game?

 

[MK252000]

On DLsite version game still getting an update? or this one is already a full complete game?

it will get update, the one promised for Steam wishlist milestone, and it will take 1-2 month so let's wait together

 

[moke2]

Is there anyone who has the data for the August updated encyclopedia and the Drain Memories support app !?
Please upload some data !!!

 

[mugijos95]

MK252000 & Arde645 Indeed a western biased view as you guys mention, however while both of your statements remain true, I wasn't speaking out of my ass, the scenario I mentioned is a live on going case with a few games/devs featured in this site alone, Probably a few examples of not just JP devs, but other asian markets would be this game I can't remember the name fully, "something something in the land of ruins" you can try search it, it fully removed the adult content and if memory serves well, it was due to leaning more into the mainstream industry. Another case, the now called "rouge Protocol" here by the name Project Extermination, wich has been on a constant critizicim due to the decition of keeping the adult content out of public spaces and rather making it a side thing distribuited on a different platform.

Not here to argue ofc, but my point is and remains the same; It's rather bafling how people would go to the lengths of harrasing a dev because adult content is either not a priority or not present at all, even though said dev might have other plans for the future of their carrer, we just don't even know what's the reasoning behind it.

P.S: On the price thing, I'm kind of divided; I agree it might be due to the AI mistake (wich indeed is rather dumb), but still feels like is either the dev saying "don't buy it" or and probably most likely, the dev saying "you bullyed me for this, now pay big for it"... Either way harrasing in the first place was not the answer.

 

[FTFaceless]

Dev literally asked for this treatment with his idiotic decisions, and when he get the asked treatment (bullying and harassing), his reaction was like:



And now he's trying to make a ruckus with this R18 patch.

 

[Kerowaj]

MK252000 & Arde645 Indeed a western biased view as you guys mention, however while both of your statements remain true, I wasn't speaking out of my ass, the scenario I mentioned is a live on going case with a few games/devs featured in this site alone, Probably a few examples of not just JP devs, but other asian markets would be this game I can't remember the name fully, "something something in the land of ruins" you can try search it, it fully removed the adult content and if memory serves well, it was due to leaning more into the mainstream industry.

Don't know where you got that from, lorena and the land of ruins was never mainstream, it looked like the dev wanted to pursue a different career and cut himself out of hentai games, otherwise i doubt he'd remove dlsite version like he did, now the pirated version floating around on this forum is one of the only ways to access it, no official way to buy it. And Riez-ON.. doesn't seem like he did "all-ages" release just cause he wanted to make it not have porn. It was clearly just to get it on steam without issues, his going back and planning to add story text or whatever to make it different from dlsite version was said by him to be because he didnt want the steam version to be just dlsite version but inferior. He failed at that, but that was still his reasoning. He deservedly got hit shit on for this release, because it was so bad for many reasons. (for one i cant even start the game because it puts me on infnite loading screen, great technical state btw)

 

[moke2]

Is there anyone who has the data for the August updated encyclopedia and the Drain Memories support app !?
Please upload some data !!!

 

[Oberstein]

This dev is legitimately insane.

 

[moke2]

Is there anyone who has the data for the August updated encyclopedia and the Drain Memories support app !?
Please upload some data !!!

 

[mugijos95]

I should remove myself from this thread moving forward, I don't even know how in good consciousness we're discussing (and somehow aproving harrasement) from the dev making the game all ages, already been said, Lorena and the land of ruins was not going mainstream (okay my fault by not wording that as such), but fact remains the dev wanted to remove themselves from hentai to branch out on their carrer, is it really that hard to assume this dev wanted the same?

Mind you hentai games do sell, but can't be compared to indie "SFW" games in terms of exposure, But you know, I guess I'm talking to a wall since no matter what's been said here, doesn't change the fact that the dev is doing what they're doing (and you guys conviniently glossed over the fact that I myself never aproved the DLC price, to my was just like "ohh, seems odd but looks like the dev might be thinking this way", regardless, whatever.