RPGM Ren'Py Completed Alansya Chronicles: Fleeting Iris [1.18 + Ren'py DLC] [Heaven Studios]

[OBHollo]

I'm wondering if this everyone would be so dismissive over these visible similarities if it had been taken from another Patreon project. Would there be so many posts calling this a reach or asking for everyone to cease talking about it? I agree with the standing pose being very generic, but the cow girl and Taimanin picture, you must be intentionally turning a blind eye there. Someone brought this up on 4chan's western porn game thread and another site, and only a few users came to its defense. I don't mean to imply motive but this situation appears to be a clear cut case of fans refusing to accept an artist or game they like not doing something favorable. I just came to ask; what makes these similarities none-existent? You can overlay them together and see how identical they both appear to be, which one user did. This isn't a case of tracing but come on now.

 

[Ayame#1Fan]

I'm wondering if this everyone would be so dismissive over these visible similarities if it had been taken from another Patreon project. Would there be so many posts calling this a reach or asking for everyone to cease talking about it? I agree with the standing pose being very generic, but the cow girl and Taimanin picture, you must be intentionally turning a blind eye there. Someone brought this up on 4chan's western porn game thread and another site, and only a few users came to its defense. I don't mean to imply motive but this situation appears to be a clear cut case of fans refusing to accept an artist or game they like not doing something favorable. I just came to ask; what makes these similarities none-existent? You can overlay them together and see how identical they both appear to be, which one user did. This isn't a case of tracing but come on now.

Saying it's a reach and asking for people to cease talking about it are two completely different things. I accept your premise, I just reject your conclusion.

Like I said before, I talked to the developer and the explanation that was given to me makes perfect sense. When it comes to how similar the scenes are, that's where you can't hold it against people when they don't agree with you and take that as a request to dismiss the subject. Just to amuse you let's look at the two images you're accusing them of "tracing" overlapped shall we?

What do you want me to say? That I think it's a rip off? I can't. Sorry. But like I said before I do respect your opinion and I value it and I think this is nothing but a friendly discussion about an important issue. Our views differ.

 

[NBV]

I think you're just seeing a lot of similarities where we're not. That's all. To me those two examples you just posted are worlds apart. Breasts are "similar" in the sense that they're big breasts? Ayame's are rounder while the other girl's are pointy and more realistic. They're both using night clothes. In my mind that's about it but to each his own.

On the same subject. I've seen dozens of games where the blowjob under the desk scene look exactly the same from dozens of others almost to the point where it looks like tracing but in how many ways can you actually draw that scene?

Unrelated. Not trying to sugar pick your words but you don't actually think the number of hentai games out there is anywhere close to 1000, right? The number you can find on e-hentai for instance is above 25000 there alone. If I'd have to guess there's probably over twice that amount of hentai games out there.

It honestly sounds like you're refusing to acknowledge any similarities here. The breasts are similar int he sense that they are drawn very similarly in shape to the point where their nipples are identical, Ayame's just being on the larger side.

How about you post some of those similar blowjob scene examples. I seriously doubt any of them will be as close as the cowgirl and Asagi pictures.

You still chose to sugar pick my words anywhere, and not correctly either. I did made it a point to say the amount of games were above the those numbers, didn't I? Even then, I've played, uploaded and looked through many hentai games and haven't found any cases as close as this.

I'm wondering if this everyone would be so dismissive over these visible similarities if it had been taken from another Patreon project. Would there be so many posts calling this a reach or asking for everyone to cease talking about it? I agree with the standing pose being very generic, but the cow girl and Taimanin picture, you must be intentionally turning a blind eye there. Someone brought this up on 4chan's western porn game thread and another site, and only a few users came to its defense. I don't mean to imply motive but this situation appears to be a clear cut case of fans refusing to accept an artist or game they like not doing something favorable. I just came to ask; what makes these similarities none-existent? You can overlay them together and see how identical they both appear to be, which one user did. This isn't a case of tracing but come on now.

I doubt it would be treated the same. I'm sure there would be a big fuss if this was done to say... one of the Opala artists. I find it funny how people refuse to even entertain the idea of it being a copy, even with Stark saying he's used other hentai images as references for some of the game's images. The fact that the Taimanin Asagi image looks so close and is under consideration for how close it looks should tell everyone that it's not impossible for this to be a similar case. Starke's already said there's been multiple cases where the referencing has gotten so dangerously close that they had to edit or scrap the images. I wonder if Starke brought up the Asagi referenced image before all this was brought up to begin with. It's likely he would have decided whether or not it was close enough to add with his team and that would have been it. If this was done with some DeviantArt or HentaiFoundry artist it wouldn't be so dismissed, especially when they're going through google for references and ran into cases in the past where stuff looked too similar. What happens if he finds a small western artist's work to reference and it gets dangerously close as the TA one?

 

[BigHairy]

@LawsuitIncoming - I'm of the mindset that it's not the end of the world, but come on, that overlay is just silly. At least do a simple resize so they are the same proportions. Different resolutions don't prove anything. If you resized and lined it up properly, it would be remarkably similar.

@NBV - I'm not terribly worried about setting some precedent. What would bother me more is poor artwork, and I'll be honest, copying well can improve art quality for many artists. They key is that it is modified enough to fit and not be distracting. As I said, I've watched Disney movies and not been bothered by the fact that they blatantly use exact copies of animations across multiple films. Hell, I don't even notice most of the time. The context of games is generally what makes it great, and if the art fits, then I can enjoy the game. I'm saying all this from an enjoyment standpoint, as I couldn't care less about the legality of it. I mean, we are having this discussion on a board dedicated to sharing these games...

 

[Ayame#1Fan]

@LawsuitIncoming - I'm of the mindset that it's not the end of the world, but come on, that overlay is just silly. At least do a simple resize so they are the same proportions. Different resolutions don't prove anything. If you resized and lined it up properly, it would be remarkably similar.

@NBV - I'm not terribly worried about setting some precedent. What would bother me more is poor artwork, and I'll be honest, copying well can improve art quality for many artists. They key is that it is modified enough to fit and not be distracting. As I said, I've watched Disney movies and not been bothered by the fact that they blatantly use exact copies of animations across multiple films. Hell, I don't even notice most of the time. The context of games is generally what makes it great, and if the art fits, then I can enjoy the game. I'm saying all this from an enjoyment standpoint, as I couldn't care less about the legality of it. I mean, we are having this discussion on a board dedicated to sharing these games...

There. Shoulders perfectly aligned. We're done here or do you want me to adjust like 10 more things so we can finally see a similar image?

It honestly sounds like you're refusing to acknowledge any similarities here. The breasts are similar int he sense that they are drawn very similarly in shape to the point where their nipples are identical

The breasts are similar to the point where they're both bound by gravity. Okay. You're right I'm wrong let's move on from that.

You still chose to sugar pick my words anywhere, and not correctly either. I did made it a point to say the amount of games were above the those numbers, didn't I? Even then, I've played, uploaded and looked through many hentai games and haven't found any cases as close as this.

Yes but you said 1000+ which is not close to being an hyperbole or a realistic aproximation of the number of hentai games out there.

To that effect you could've said 1+ and anything above 1 would be a correct number. Totally my bad that you so poorly try to create validation of your points when you want to use them in arguments by... I dunno? Downsizing the number of hentai games that are out there and the chances of the images being similar to one scene in one of them being drastically smaller by... I dunno? The difference between 1001 games and 50000 games?

But I'm obviously being the one using extreme fallacy here. I'm the straw-man.

They did it once so they clearly traced every image on their game is where you're getting at. I'm done with this discussion. You clearly are not open to having your view on the subject changed and your retorts are nowhere near strong enough to change my view on mine so this is no longer an argument.

 

[NBV]

Saying it's a reach and asking for people to cease talking about it are two completely different things. I accept your premise, I just reject your conclusion.

Like I said before, I talked to the developer and the explanation that was given to me makes perfect sense. When it comes to how similar the scenes are, that's where you can't hold it against people when they don't agree with you and take that as a request to dismiss the subject. Just to amuse you let's look at the two images you're accusing them of "tracing" overlapped shall we?

What do you want me to say? That I think it's a rip off? I can't. Sorry. But like I said before I do respect your opinion and I value it and I think this is nothing but a friendly discussion about an important issue. Our views differ.

How many times are you going to push the lack of tracing argument when there isn't any, at least not by the people you're replying to.

Just because a dev says something doesn't mean it's true. I think anyone familiar with the Patreon or just western porn dev community in general should be aware of the numerous cases the truth has been stretched before. The Asagi image is supposed to be a reference too but it still has dangerous amounts of similar traits past just being a sex position, even more than this "original" cow girl piece. Again, you already have an image that's dangerously close as this but we're going to pretend the cow girl is out of the question? Starke hasn't even said it out going to be edited or scrapped, only that he's considering the Asagi image.

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To quote another user:

You don't use other people's art in the hope "they will never find out, it's just a porn game". Some Japs are notoriously aggressive in such matters, and it would not be the first time that someone got shut down.

And I think it's pretty shitty that it's being treated so nonchalantly. If Kagami comes out and expresses distaste for his art being "referenced" this closely, would their or your opinion change? Let's pretend the cowgirl argument is nonexistent and only look at the Asagi pic for a second. What if this was done to a normal HentaiFoundry artist like BBC-Chan or JLullaby? Would they have better grounds to be upset and what would your opinion be on that case?

Has Muku spoken on whether or not a reference was used, or was it just Starke speaking for Muku? Furthermore, how would Starke know if his artist was using a reference without having the entire art process streamed to him? Muku is already used to Starke feeding them images, so how can anyone act like it's factually assured Muku doesn't look for refs from time to time?

 

[NBV]

Yes but you said 1000+ which is not close to being an hyperbole or a realistic number. To that effect you could've said 1+ and anything above 1 would be a correct number. My bad that you so poorly make your points valid when you want to use them in argument by downsizing the number of hentai games that are out there and the chances of the images being similar to one fo them being drastically smaller IE the difference between 1001 games and 50000 games but I'm obviously being the one using extreme fallacy here.

They did it once so they clearly traced every image on their game is where you're getting at. I'm done with this discussion. You clearly are not open to having your view on the subject changed and your retorts are nowhere near strong enough to change my view on mine so this is no longer an argument.

And really? You're actually going to hold 1000+ against me? My point was that there aren't any hentai games that I have found through my numerous searches which any scene as close to this case, and that you were welcome to prove me wrong. I was pointing out that there were so many games out there and yet this kind of thing isn't as common as the users in here seemed to have been implying. There's a shit ton of normal western porn art on our end and we don't see these cases either. And no, I did not say anything to imply that all their images were traced. We're not saying he traced, that all their images are stolen or anything like that. Stop trying to straw-man people.

The fact that you had to argue over a number I posted just to force an argument I didn't make...

 

[thomasxlong]

Just been catching up on the discussion about pictures being copied/traced. Looking at them i can see they look similar but whether it's a traced or used as a reference, but i don't see why it's causing such a issue. It looks good and keeps the game moving forward either way. When it comes down to it, does it really matter? Will it cause issues for them other than people not agreeing with what they are doing? Serious questions, I don't really see the big deal so I'm not sure on the ramifications.

 

[NTR_Connoisseur]

when release babushka

 

[NBV]

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: Lilith has sent a DMCA notice or two in the past, which prompted many fan translators and image sites to be wary of how they upload their work. Ehentai/Exhentai won't allow Lilith licensed work to be uploaded on either site without being hidden from normal searches. Not to say that they can easily find this, but it's still a very risky thing to do. If the TA image passes in it's current state it does make it very easy for even Kagami to do something about it. I expected it to end up being talked about on 4chan's western thread but

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claims there's another site talking about it on some level. I seriously doubt anyone cares enough to make it bigger than the kind of conversation we've already had, but 4chan trolls love to push things.

 

[DMasta]

It was announced for halloween just last Thursday. Where did you get this Tuesday info?

My bad I thought I could sware I read tuesday but it's Wednesday.

But i'm not going to say nothing else about tracing and the multiple of scenes that could possibly look the same out of HUNDREDS, hundreds of hentai games out of respect of BossAppleSauce =)

But can't wait to play the new update from one of the only companies that's producing content on a legitimate timeline and not taking a year for a .01 update. Which they definitely could and I for one am appreciative that they put in the work, are open with their updates and responses to their public. Good job Heaven Studios I'm definitely excited.

 

[Ialdabaoth]

Context?

Toyotaro is Akira Toriyama's chosen successor and currently the guy doing the Dragon Ball Super manga. The guy was accused of tracing for the cover art for an issue of V-Jump. It was a pretty hot topic when it was discovered and his credibility was kind of on the line at the time. Thing is, most people think he's talented enough to have just used it as a reference pose instead of outright tracing, given that the proportions on ol' Captain America and Goku are pretty different anyway. On the other hand, there is also the argument that he used to do this all the time when he was still making fan manga of Dragon Ball (which was Dragon Ball AF under the alias Toyble) until he became so good at recreating Toriyama's art style that it didn't matter to most.

Point is that you can use reference so long as it stays that way, but when the recreation is a near 1:1 match, that's when things get ugly... But in this Captain America case, the artist didn't really raise a stink over it and it was mostly the fans who got angry.

 

[RandomServant77]

Well, that blew up.

In any case, it doesn't matter for us. At the cost of being repetitive, the devs here have a adequate output (at least art-wise, the writing could use some massive improvements). The only risk is Black Lilith going ballistic and sending their army of orc rape-lawyers on the warpath.

Before saying that's silly, as NBV said, they have done this before. And they hate us filthy gaijins, after all. Copyrights and stolen art are kind of a big deal for artists in this age, methinks.

So the best thing would be to cut the content that's too noticeable, avoid it in the future, and everyone can carry on.

 

[wep]

Can we please stop this discussion.
Even if it is the case, it is not something that really matter to us.

Thanks

 

[Jane Hbk]

Can we please stop this discussion.
Even if it is the case, it is not something that really matter to us.

Thanks

Thank you

 

[DMasta]

Can we please stop this discussion.
Even if it is the case, it is not something that really matter to us.

Thanks

Thank Goodness. If the last 2-4 pages were deleted or lost down the thread hole, this game would basically lose no insight. Which is the opposite of what I think a constructive game discussion thread should be.

 

[Vaman]

/me contacts Black Lilith
Wait, I don't know japanese.

I won't have hopes too high for it being released Wednesday, unless a developers says that it DEFINITELY will be released on that date.

 

[operaxx]

doesn't matter, it's still good game and i still support it on patreon

 

[Wxrry]

Any news from new update?

 

[Ruodger]

When does the update come out?