Thank you for taking interest. I respect you as one of the most avid defenders of this game and its creators. When you say that Jack screwed her over. Are you talking about the episode with Alex? That was misdemeanor compared to what Ayame was doing with Arthur. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Jack's actions. He half faked sex with Alex to get Ayame's attention. That was childish. Ayame's affair with Arthur was equally, if not more disturbing. And you're correct, two wrongs don't make a right. I'm just saying that together, they might have eventually risen above them. Oh, and when i mentioned a portion of Ayame's lost youth, I was referring to her not being able to finish high school or go to college. Because she had to support her mother, she had to quit school early. Going to college with Jack would have helped her to get back some of her school girl days. I agree that it's a relationship that would need further developement. I would have been happy with a "to be continued" ending. As for her not having a problem with Robert. She does. And it's the same problem in every route. He is always working. He's almost never there. And he can't even seem to have good sex with Ayame. He has very good sex with Adriana and Fujiko in the other routes. But it seems like he has no sexual chemistry with Ayame. It gets so bad, she has to go to Arthur to relieve herself. That's pretty shitty. And worst, he does nothing to try to improve it. To me that is reason enough to leave him. Oh, and i apologize for the structure of this post. I'm actually new at this.I wasn't going to reply to you but there's so many points I want to debate. Anyway, your post could use some paragraphs and a spoiler alert but:
Then make a fanfic. Starke stated he couldn't see Jack and Ayame be a thing now. If there's a Fleeting Iris 2 which I hope there will be, then I'm pretty sure Jack will become an even more important character with some happy endings.
So you expected them to keep writing the story for at least three more in game years, create new sprites for a 3 year older Jack and probably a 3 year older Ayame, etc. just to have an happy ending? A 4th potential Jack ending.
That sounds more like DLC stuff, send them a message in Discord and suggest it.
What?Jack is.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Right or wrong is an absolute state. He's not "less wrong", he's wrong. Her "moral debt" if any is to Robert. Doesn't make it right for your stepson to blackmail you just because you got a thing for your grandfather's ding dong. Jack "technically" raped her. I'm not saying Ayame didn't have feelings for him but they would have to be developed further because not only she would be breaking up with Robert, she would be breaking up with Robert to date his son and in Family Route other than "he's a shitty shagger" she has nothing against Robert.
It was, until he screwed her over like an immature child over and over again. Jack couldn't do any better, it was his personality and completely in character to do those mistakes.
Mate, who the fuck invites friends over to hide in the closet so you can prove you're shagging some girl? That's typical teenager shit and those attitudes are what made a gap between Ayame and Jack.
She's 23~24, what lost youth? And what would she rediscover? Dating little boys?
She can still date and have passionate full balls to the wall relationships typical from someone who never had her heart broken right now. She's a child now, experiencing a lot of these things for the first time. That's part of what makes her naive and immature.
I don't agree with the details but I do agree that a DLC would be fun. Worth it? Dunno mate. Maybe they didn't explore their relationship more on purpose, so it's a thing in Fleeting Iris 2 when he's actually older, matured and possibly can provide for her.
The fact that the game touched you in such a way is a win in my books and why I like it so much. Just start a #TeamJack thing and make sure he's a major character in a potential second game.
I just find it mildly disturbing you'd rather vent off here than in their official section on the official discord dedicated to posts just like that where they can be read and debated by literally the only few people that can do anything about it, and trust me when I say that they listen and cater to their community's wishes more than any company I've ever seen. I can tell you a dozen scenes that I remember being in the game just because people got together and voted for it to be a thing.
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I understand your passion for this route and a few other people feel the same way.
However Starke have already come out and explained his decision in great detail -> Here
In my own personal opinion if you compare Jack&Ayame to real life - how often does it really happen that a young teen boy steels the heart of a mid 20'ish woman and they move on to have a meaningful relationship - Not really that often, of cause it can happen. It sounds more like a great fantasy or dream to me then reality.
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No, I meant when he invited his friends over to watch him and Ayame have sex, among other things.
Robert doesn't try to improve because instead of Ayame pointing out that she's not sexually happy does what an immature person would do which is cheat.
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True ! it's a game so everything could happen ofc.Oh, and the whole game isn't?
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The casino is just right of the airport, that's usefull if you want to get the prizes
You first have to win that at the casino!
Imho the worst thing he does is the show he prepares for Robert. He kinda deserves what comes for him in that route
Just watched the whole closet seen with Jack's friends again. That was pretty shitty. But I also think it's a ninety degree turn from the character developement the writer had given Jack in the previous patches. I agree that the early Jack (the blackmailer, and the one that took a picture of Ayame while she was giving him oral under his desk) would have done exactly that in this patch. But the later Jack (the one that spent time away from his friends to be with her, and the one who sacrificed a potential sure thing with Alex, to risk having his heart broken pursuing Ayame) would not have done that. I feel like the writer abandoned some of his own story developement to make that friends in the closet scene happen. As for Ayame being too immature to tell Robert her true feelings about their relationship. Thats all the more reason why their relationship doesn't work, and should probably end. She had an easier time confiding in her lovers, than she does in him. And this happens in almost every route. She just doesn't trust him enough. I'm not blaming either one of them for that. I'm just saying without trust, the relationship just can't work. I think it also shows that Ayame isn't quite ready to be married yet. She needs to develop and grow more as an adult. As you yourself pointed out, she still a kid in alot of ways. Which is why she should go to college with Jack. It would give them both a chance to grow and develop themselves and their relationship. I agree that Jack has alot of growing up to do too. Both Jack and Ayame come from homes where the father was never there, and the mother left too soon ( Jack's mother abandoned him and Ayame's died relatively young). So I think that already gives them a point of connection. They both have alot of emotional healing to do too. The idea you had about making it a dlc arc and having it expanded across all the Alansya Chronicle games is a great idea! It would develop and grow the characters and the relationship in a big way. I just feel there was alot of potential here that was squandered. Jack was a sneaky bastard (and I emphasize the WAS part) but the Jack that gave Ayame a kiss (and I quote) "full of passion and love" has alot of potential. For what it's worth, the Jack route was the only one I had a complaint about. Everthing else was fine. Sato's childhood love ending moved me to tears. And thats a hard thing to do. Like you said, if a game and story could move me in that way, it's a win all around. This game shows that hentai games don't have to be mindless jerkfests. They can have heart and soul as well. Again, thanks for hearing me ramble.
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I agree that was very shitty. I think it also shows that he harbours alot of resentment towards Robert for leaving him alone all those years. I just wish the writer had chosen a better way to express this, than having Jack use Ayame to get back at him. The writer might as well just called it "Jack Karma Ending 2."The casino is just right of the airport, that's usefull if you want to get the prizes
You first have to win that at the casino!
Imho the worst thing he does is the show he prepares for Robert. He kinda deserves what comes for him in that route
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They indeed are pretty similar, mostly because he does a similar mistake in both routes
that's probably cause that's what he is in this game/ at his age. Maybe in FI 2 he will be different, worse or better, i dunno. Remember that the other games will have cameos of FI characters, i bet in the second one we will see a couple of scenes with Ayame and Sato. Jack and Alex could be another easy guess I suggest you to bring this #jackendingmatter on HeavenStudio discord, you don't know, maybe other people will be interested to hear/talk about that
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I'll just address this part because I feel like the others are just personal preference and been debated.
It's the same Jack. Jack is trying to grow but people don't change like that and specially not that fast. Once Jack realized the relationship was coming to an end he went back to act like a child, exhibit her to his friends and then have sex with Ayame while he calls his "father" to catch them mid act.
Had Jack have more time he would possibly change, he would've matured and just maybe he would've been able to win Ayame over, but Jack was a massive wanker most of the times and he got what he deserved. I think Ayame would even consider forgiving him for the "friends" stunt but not the get caught on purpose scene.
Too similar if you ask me. So Jack avoids the mistake the first time, but can't dodge it a second time? Again, I just feel like the writer cheated a little bit to get that ending. He had to revert Jack to his old sneaky bastard way to get that ending. The writer pretty much abandoned the writing he did in some of his other scenes to do it. Now i'm not saying the ending should have been overly happy. I'm just saying it shouldn't have been reduced to a revenge on Jack story. I will bring it to Discord if I can. I've never used it before. This my first time doing this too. I've got some definite ideas on how they can improve it. And they wouldn't even need to change the scenes that much to do it. Thanks for the help dude.They indeed are pretty similar, mostly because he does a similar mistake in both routes
I suggest you to bring this #jackendingmatter on HeavenStudio discord, you don't know, maybe other people will be interested to hear/talk about that
You just gave me another idea. The friends in the closet scene could've gone a different direction. Jack does this, Ayame discovers it, gets angry, and gives him two ultimatums. The first is that he has to go to his friends and apologize for what he did and eat crow and humble pie like crazy, both in front of his friends and Ayame. The second, is that he start to man up. Stop with his childish antics and start to be the kind of man she would like to be with. Make him stand and deliver and prove his love. I think Jack fears losing her enough to agree to that, even if he doesn't necessarily know how to do it. Then the player should be given the option of either agreeing to Ayame's terms, or have him pretend to agree, then proceed to screw her over in the getting caught on purpose scene (which then leads to Ayame getting back at him in the ending). Jack honestly agreeing to those terms could lead to a potential college couple ending, that can be continued in the following games. It also allows Jack to avoid the same potential mistake he made with Alex. Thanks again for the input man. (Oh, and while Jack was eating his crow and humble pie, I would have had him make a declaration of love right then and there, in front of his friends and Ayame. He says something like, that he didn't know how to be a man, but for Ayame, he was going to try his hardest.)
Yeah I think it's a little late to be talking about realism in this game. If anything, what I'm proposing is more realistic than at least half the things that are in this game. All i'm looking for is an ending where they begin a relationship as a couple while they are both going to college. College couples are realistic aren't they? And hopefully something they can continue in the rest of the series. A relationship that can be grown and developed over four games. Is that realistic enough for you?True ! it's a game so everything could happen ofc.
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Well since Starke have some kind of plan for Jack in Fleeting Iris 2(which would continue after True Route) - And also wanted to give him a lesson in his other routes, it ended this way - a bit on the sour side.
The team really want to move forward, and leave version 1.0 as it is, and start on DLC content asap - So no changes will come to that route sorry! - Perhaps Jack will get a more interesting ending in FI2 a few years down the line
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Bruv, stop. At this point you're fanficing. You're literally grabbing a character and saying "it shouldn't have went this way" and I'm aware that you are committed but that was his personality. Jack pretty much like Sato can't get a good ending because it's not in them. The slums ending on Sato is in my opinion not a good ending for Sato, just a bad one for Ayame.
I would also argue that Scott would probably not get a good ending either and that path was pretty much fanservice. I remember reading somewhere online the whole plot for Fleeting Iris which was leaked a couple of years ago, you can probably still find it on Google. Scott's ending was pretty shitty but people wanted to see more of Fujiko so much that it ended up being a Fujiko route.
Melvin would probably not get any "good endings" either but he's by far (seriously, it's not even close if you've followed the polls) the community favorite, so much that the community voted that each patch would have at least one more Melvin scene. If it wasn't for that, he would probably have endings that would just look bad for Ayame but not necessarily good for him but overall the character changed from abusive blackmailing boss to old man who falls for girl which I like because you can still get the other version of him if you play the Clarke route. You have an emotional blackmail vs physical threatening blackmail and honestly, I like the first one a lot more.
Overall, there's just no chance in the way he wrote Jack where Jack would be able to keep Ayame and honestly, it would make no sense for me either. The only way I could see Jack and Ayame keep having a thing is if they did it like Arthur and Ayame when Ayame marries Robert, where they keep having an affair behind Robert's back like nothing is going on but then again, that would've given Jack a 5th ending, a character that will make a return in future games does not need 5 endings.
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