Alternatives to Patreon - Maybe for Adult games

[knerre]

Having looked around for some time now, I can't find one site that could provide all the things needed: Reputation, payment options and adult content allowed. If one of these is missing, it's useless.

Despite their fickleness, Patreon is still relatively trustworthy compared to many alternatives. It's big enough to stay afloat financially, they process mostly non-pornographic projects so the whole Paypal puritanism is apparently not an issue because the naughty stuff is hidden. I've seen MakerSupport mentioned, but there are just a few projects on that platform and it seems to be a one-man initiative, so it just doesn't inspire much confidence. The political projects MakerSupport and Hatreon attract is going to be a problem for a lot of people too. I haven't seen ultra left-wing and right-wing projects coexist on those platforms, yet. A platform featuring alt-right politics and porn games isn't really going to work, I think. If an adult Patreon alternative arises it should be all about adult content, I think, nothing else.

What I find very confusing is that apparently MasterCard and Visa don't want anything do to with porn either. But a website like Kink (not known for their delicate, soft pornography involving only consensual missionary with the lights out) happily offers a membership using credit card (MasterCard and Visa) and Eurodebit. How do they avoid the credit card company ban on adult content?

 

[Ghostman95]

Well as far as I know, no 'forbidden fiction' creator has tried

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or any alternative platform that proclaims to protect free speech, so until someone does all we have is speculation over what the people behind these companies MIGHT or might not do. I say it's worth a shot, what do we have to lose right? Better than what we have now.

 

[Sam]

Well as far as I know, no 'forbidden fiction' creator has tried

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or any alternative platform that proclaims to protect free speech, so until someone does all we have is speculation over what the people behind these companies MIGHT or might not do. I say it's worth a shot, what do we have to lose right? Better than what we have now.

Creators have everything to lose. If they move to a platform which shuts down, they lose absolutely everything, and have to start from 0.

I've already established Makersupport isn't an alternative, I'm not saying there won't ever be a viable option, but MS is clearly not it.

 

[GateKeeper]

Kind of entering this conversation late, but thought I'd add my two bits:

I've been using Patreon for a little over a year now. Never had a problem with them until they started changing rules a few weeks back, and I've got to say that the billing change they tried to push was a crock.

For the time being, I intend to maintain my Patreon account, but once Drip comes out, I think I'm going to be signing up there as well, after all, KickStarter is a fairly well known company. I'll also be keeping my eyes pealed for other good places to host my work and hope to eventually have 3-4 places where I post. I figure that if I do it that way, people will have the option of supporting through whoever they are most comfortable with. And if one of the platforms implodes, then I don't have all my eggs in one basket.

 

[User_215882]

That's how its going to start anyway. Devs will give people the option to support them on other platforms and then if Patreon finally kicks adult content creators off they don't have to worry about losing all monetary support. Its not like theres going to be a mass exodus from patreon once a new platform comes out.

 

[Voilsh]

Because there's a difference between allowing and promoting.
If a patreon-like agree to host people spreading hate everywhere, well... I don't like this kind of people, so I'll not say that I don't care or that it's not my problem, but I'll deal with it. But here, it's not that they agree to host them, it's that they exist because the want to host them. It's what I said above, the difference between allowing and promoting. They aren't pro free speech or against censor, they are pro hate, and they put it on display everywhere.

I get what you mean.
From my understanding the alternatives patreons begin to be up the moment youtube and patreon began to play the moral guardians. Of course the first people who will search for these alternatives would be the white nationalists, but also non-sjw like content creators, or even the "alt right" (whatever that would mean), and anyone not into the moral line of these platforms... so now the adult game devs. The more people would be banned by these platform, the less relevant the "fringe" status these alternatives would have.

 

[seyfer110]

For the time being, I intend to maintain my Patreon account, but once Drip comes out, I think I'm going to be signing up there as well, after all, KickStarter is a fairly well known company.

What it Drip exactly?

 

[gamersglory]

Drip does not allow adult content

 

[GateKeeper]

What it Drip exactly?

Basically the same thing as Patreon how I understand it, only done through Kickstarter.

Drip does not allow adult content

When I last looked into it, there wasn't a definitive answer on that issue yet. That's, . . . unfortunate. Oh well, it is what it is. Thank you for the info.

 

[grmp]

Patreon kills DmD
patreon.com/posts/sad-news-16617972

 

[Aprilsun]

Patreon kills DmD
patreon.com/posts/sad-news-16617972

That will ofcourse only be the beginning.

 

[EverythingButTheGirl]

Is it time to create f95treon?

 

[Aprilsun]

Is it time to create f95treon?

If F95 had their own bank sure. Without one you will get the same problem with paypal and such.

 

[anne O'nymous]

If F95 had their own bank sure. Without one you will get the same problem with paypal and such.

In fact you've the choice, either you have to deal with strict rules, or you have to deal with expensive fees.

 

[redwind21]

Patreon kills DmD
patreon.com/posts/sad-news-16617972

WTG Patreon. You're just a bunch of censor crazy assholes waiting to happen. No one will want to do business with you any more. You're going to lose tons of money because of it.

 

[gamersglory]

I am talking with F95. to see if we can do something
Just preliminary at this point but it's something.

 

[PinkysBrain]

There is one curious exception to the paypal rules by the way, text only "ebooks". See smashwords, which is full of fiction and interactive fiction with bestiality and incest and is still allowed to use paypal as a processor (after some intercession by the EFF/ACLU/NCAC/ABFFE a few years back).

As long as your game is text only and you call it interactive fiction (to drive it home you can wrap it up in EPUB, which can contain flash just fine for instance) you're not really doing anything substantially different from smashwords.

 

[lexus33]

Let's just create a new alternative site for adult games creators. Lewdtip.com with new LewdCoin cryptocurrency and problem solved. Or use one of the already excited GameCoin or FapCoin

 

[Thundas]

I think from what i've read patreon is the only choice because they basically made a deal with paypal for their subsidiary braintree to process payments for adult content, to make an alternative is a no go because payment processors such as ccbill charges exorbitant fees for any adult content.

Why not try gather all the VN devs and make an appeal to braintree to process our payments to create a self hosting solution for our own use, but i dont think it will work cause banks dont want to ruin their brand even in this day & age by associating with porn. Right now im pretty sure it is the payment processors who are in turned pressured by the banks asking patreon not to allow incest etc.

Only other way is to just create a bitcoin patreon clone solution, supporting devs with bitcoins which were purchased using paypal etc

 

[Paitryn]

It has nothing to do with branding. Paypal has a strict policy on issuing refunds and porn is notorious for it. This is why legit porn was the first to go. That said, no adult oriented charge is going to show up on peoples credit cards willingly so any adult based patreon is going to work. Your better off making a bitcoin based patreon since the transactions do not appear on your bank wallet, but bitcoin one instead.