Short Stories would be a great way to get this started agian.... rather than a big story that could get convoluted, a bunch of small episode style stories where victory or defeat don't matter as much until the second act starts.
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First of all, thanks for still supporting Jade Shadow and me.
And yes, I agree, short stories might be something to tell and show more about Jade Shadow. They could even be connected a little. And honestly, in my opinion there is not much of a difference between short stories (with pictures) and a typical RenPy game.
If you are going to get back into this game I have an Idea to get the story going. It would be great, the Green Shadow by Roshi2000 is getting bazaar as fuck. Im also not getting into alot of the newer game.
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TLDR
I originally wrote all this not expecting it to be as long. So I wrote this TLDR incase you dont have time to read all of it.
You could get into smaller stories to kick start this game back up by always sticking to a simple game loop.
Game loop
1) introduce, investigate, infiltrate
2) fight or puzzle challenge
3) rewards and consequences
Just fit a small TV episode style story into that game loop, where once the Mission is done everything is back to normal for next episode. Then when your in the final home stretch you can do a longer convoluted story to end everything.
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THE LONG EXPLANATION
The main point of an H-game/Adult game is the porn scenes, story is secondary If your thinking of coming back. I have an Ideal to get to the porn game loop and keep it going without too much story. But would allow the story to develop more naturally as you progress. It would have a story structure like a 1990s TV show.
One of my favorite adult games is "Missy" the dev uses a procedurally generated day to determine school days and events. Maby you could use a procedurally generated day for missions and events. If you started the game out with smaller stories like a TV show, especially a 1980s or 1990s TV show where each small story comes and goes like a weekly episode.
Missy understands what Manila Shaw doesn't. We want to start an update, get into a fight or other event, and then the consequences. We want a regularly steady flow of whatever Action, Romance, or Taboo the game is trying to cater to. Each update is like an episode, the whole update/episode needs everything the game loop is trying to provide.
Storylines like your story about infiltrating the school girls undercover could be like a season finale, where you have a slightly longer, and more linear serialized story. (Also GSR and the red head cop should do the mission together rather than 2 separate storylines)
You could create a few villian with a dastardly plan, and each day/night you have to foil one of the procedurally generated dastardly plans, you have to beat the villian 3 times in a row to get to their lair, then you could raid the lair. If the raid on the lair fails, then the lair moves and GSR gets a bad outcome as per usual and has to start her 3 in a row all over agian. If raiding the lair is successful you take out a gang boss. If she gets beaten 3 times she gets unmasked, and game over. Or at least the villain wins and can blackmail her or enslaved her, she loses her job as a cop and sent to jail for vigilantism. Old Nintendo NES and arcade games had 3 lives and 3 continues. Maby she can do her GSR without being a cop she needs a secret base like a villain after a certain number of "game overs", then a final game over on the last "game over" where she becomes property of someone.
She could have special makeup and perfume under her mask and costume where if she is unmasked it makes the person seeing her see and remember her all blury. Its clear as day as it happens but its like the "Men in black" movies with the flashy thing where they dont quite remember and the encounter becomes blury afterwards. But each time she is unmasked for the defeat scene the opponent remembers her more and more until she can be identified. If identified she gets an unmask game over.
First game over: some people in the crime underground know who she is... Can be blackmailed by a faction, home invasion and retaliation events for saving the day and foiling the wrong persons plans. Crooks dont rat to the cops or have loose lips, but some people know and rumors get around. So each night she gets home from work. There is a random chance thugs come knocking on the door for a fun at her expenses evening. Or the thugs show up to get her to do a job for them agiants a rival gang after she starts the evening by entertaining them of course. Before she can decide how she spends the evening. This could also be one of 2 or scenarios that introduces Alona, she heard the rumors after your first Game overs and decides to introduce herself. Lets say there is a 1 in 4 chance you don't get to choose what you do after work. The first event is a home invasion, After the first home invasion event the second event is Alona introducing herself and you get to do a special introductory mission with her. After that you get events in a procedurally generated Deck. 1 in 4 chance, normally you choose what you do after work, between choosing civilians off duty events like an evening at the bar or gym, or a vanilla GSR mission to find out or take out a lair. But you can also get the 1-4 event an evening where there is no choice, if the home invaders show up and they don't blackmail you into a mission then Alona gets a solo mission (chosen from the procedurally generated deck) you get to play as Alona after the Scene where Raquel gets the thugs knocking at her door. Or Alona shows up and after the second time there is a different set of missions from the event deck where Alona and GSR do the mission together.
Alona is an officially sanctioned heroine, she lives in the heroine headquarters/hideout she doesn't get a game over like GSR. But she could be taken out of action for awhile if she gets defeated. At which point when the 1 in 4 comes up all you get is the home invasion. If you beat 4 or 5 Alona or Alona+GSR missions the first game over resets and GSR's identity as the crooks who knew something are gone.
(There should also be a positive way for Alona to introduce herself if the player keeps winning with no game over but more on that later.)
Second game over: her identity is made public, the bad guys left her unconscious for the cops to pickup. She loses her job at the police department. She spends some time in jail with some unfriendly lesbian inmates, after she gets out of prison she returns to her GSR heroine exploits but she needs a bat cave, a hide out, a lair. Getting unmasked now lets the crooks track you down to your lair after another 3 unmaskings.
Alona sets you up with the Hideout, she needs a non sanctioned Heroine for certian tasks, there is no reset of the secret Identity after the second game over your stuck with operating from the lair. You don't even get your old apartment. Alona sets you up with a safe house in the city. During the day you got to work so you look like a normal citizen, waitress, house cleaning maid, secretary for a pig of a CEO, martial arts instructor. Porn star could be extra work at the ladies gym if you are not good enough the other self defense instructor decides to instruct you in being a sub in lesbian porn. If you cant be the instructor you could try your hand at being a while you learn from your instructor Dominatrix with a rival somewhere in the city. Having a Dominatrix vs Dominatrix catfight would be super hot. If you are a loser all around Stripper and Hooker who gets sent hired out to parties. Basically you can choose to be Alona's spy and informant, she sets you up with the Waitress, maid, secretary jobs if you want (where you will of course be harrassed). Or you can try and be a Self defense martial arts instructor, if that doesn't work out and you are forced by rival instructor to be in some rough lesbian porn your reputation in adult films wont allow you to do the Waitress, maid, Secretary jobs. Alona then pimps you out in other ways to get information, depending on your abilities you will find your proper place in the pecking order.
Final game over: enslaved, true game over, bad end. You could make a game over "pen" map with a bunch of enslavement events depending on the faction she lost too, with replay events in the game over pen. Maby its a brothle, a combat slave arena, or a herem like Jabba's palace. Raquel's friends can join her too! It would be like a replay room in other RPGM games except its just your enslavement pen.
I don't know your workflow but if you start small, and build up the first 2-3 villains over a few updates you could slowly get to the full game loop. All villians can take advantage of the blackmail and home invasion consequence, the lost job and prison sentence for having identity revealed. Only the third final game over needs to be customized to each villain.
Remember an Episode/update just needs the basic game loop:
1) investigate the scene
2) a challenge (presumably a fight)
3) win or lose outcome
If you dont set up the full 3 stage game over structure for 5 or 6 updates thats ok. If it doesn't happen for 10 updates. As long as you are sticking to the game loop like Missy and not getting convoluted and stupid like Manila Shaw it will be great.
After enough normal villians, you have a second act more inline with the original story you were trying to tell. "Take down the big Organization behind all the gangs/villians. Longer story to finish the game to the final boss.
I would also point out the "game over" mechanics are only active if she is in her heroine costume. If she is on duty as a Cop or being a civilian and gets her ass kicked she can lose all she wants. I remember us talking about civilian sandbox stuff like the Gym, bar, or club. As well as thugs for gangs in different neighborhoods.
This would likely mean starting the story over and restructuring it, make the red hair cop and GSR cop partners. Make her work her way up to being in forensics. As much as I liked the Lesbian angle of the school girl story it was kind of awkward story wise. They should work on it together or scrap it until later in the game. Have the cops go enforce the law on some gangsters during the day as a pair. Get the gang terf going. The first fight with the thugs you did was super hot and amazing, do some more of that, get some more thugs and henchmen to fight to get the game off on the right foot.
I think you got writers block because you tried to tree branch your story with multiple choices and out comes too soon. When I think of what I remember about your game there is nothing really bad, but the structure needed some help. You fight with the thugs was Fantastic.
If we take the events you already have and just rearrange them. You could have Raquel start her first day one as a cop with the red head as her partner. They go walk the beat in the park, no murder investigation yet. Just keeping tabs on the thugs harassing people. Or Raquel and Red head could get called out to discover the murder they could question the people at the park (including the thugs) get statements keep order while someone else does the forensics. Its determined that there is high Gang activity in the area, there is a debrief at the station. Then a Park mission against the gang gets added to the night event deck for the procedurally generation which leads to your fight with the thugs. The event you made at the as an alternative to the event with the thugs at the park is an event in a Raquel "civilian" deck separate from the GSR heroine deck.
Bar event game loop:
1) show up for fun or investigate
2) challenge
3) win friends or information... or lose dignity or tip off the bad guys...
If there is no new information to add an event to the procedurally generation deck then its a night of fun. Winning friends could just be hooking up with someone you like. Getting a Boyfriend or Girlfriend.
Same game loop as the fight, except you solve the "puzzles" instead of have a battle. The more friends and information, the more events get added to the procedurally generated event deck.
In the procedurally generated event deck, if there isnt a story mission it could be as simple as repeatable vanilla missions like as Raquel the Cop stopping a robbery, Shakedown, drug deal, prostitution sting. GSR must beat 5 gang members or henchmen in an area.
Day 1 would need to be a special day to introduce the game world.
But starting Day 2/average day.
1) wake up go to work at the police station
2) get assigned a neighbor to patrol from the procedurally generated deck with a challenge. Challenge could be a fight, or a investigation puzzel to add to a night time event as GSR. Basic mission agiants basic thugs or super villain henchmen. No long term consequences for game over.
2a) if unsuccessful you suffer consequences.
3) go home get ready for evening choose of have chosen for you:
- A) GSR mission against gang bosses or super villians. GSR reputation and Identity on the line for game over unmasking (procedurally generated deck event)
- B) civilian evening, bar, Gym, relationship ,other (procedurally generated deck event)
- C) first game over 1 in 4 event if applicable due to first unmask game over.
Average day after 2nd unmask game over
1) go to non cop job. Do a game loop event according to whatever job you chose/forced to do.
2a) return to safe house and do Normal GSR and/or Alona missions available in the evening
2b) continue your espionage job you did during the day
2c) if allowed have a night out
You could then have special days/ week where there is a longer mission like the school mission you were working on where the normal days are put on hold for a big event.
Beating the school mission without an unmasking game over will introduce you to Alona the proper way, then the 1 in 4 (or 1 in 2 or 3) event in the evening only has Alona added to the deck and not the home invaders.
Beating the next special event after the school mission promotes Raquel to the forensic investigator position in the police force assuming you haven't been reduced to living at the safe house from the second unmaks game over.
Just remember the game loop
Day
1) introduce and investigate
2) challenge
3) consequences and reward
Night
1) Introduce, infiltrate, investigate, rush to crisis, raid lair
2) big challenge
3) big consequences and reward.
I also remember you had a dryad looking super villain, make a choice. Is it a normal villain beat their henchmen or foil 3 plans and raid the lair? Or save it for special event where Raquel gets her forensic promotion?
The gang thugs at the start, beat them 3 times as GSR not Raquel, and raid the club house. They will be extremely weakened without their boss. You will only get their night mission as GSR in the vanilla format if nothing else is in the deck.
Rome wasn't built in a day. TAKE IT SMALL YOU ONLY NEED TO MAKE ONE DAY EVENT OR NIGHT EVENT AT A TIME UNTIL YOU GET 3 VILLIANS WITH THEIR FULL ARC IN THE DECK WITH THEIR DEFEAT (OR YOUR DEFEAT). If an update only has one game loop event for one time of day. That is fine. Once you get 3 villians you can add a forth or special event with the whole event sequence for that faction.
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A long time ago we talked in the old discord server about that scene from Alias with Jenifer Garner, I also mentioned a few Movies of "Black Emmanuelle" (Laura Gemser) from the 1970s piticularly "Emanuelle around the world" and Emmanuelle and the white slave trade. The story telling is almost Identical to most Adult games on this site lol you mentioned she was in another movie you own.
Around the world is slow to start and im not a fan of the "Guru" angle. But once she gets to Italy it becomes pretty good. The scene where she almosts gets sold to slavers is gold, and could be a bad end out come in game.
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White slave trade is a good movie for what it is. Some story ideas there maby for later.
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(This white slave trade movie has been disappearing from places so Im posting it twice)
But I have a better Idea to get rid of the writers block. I have been watching old shows from when I was a kid. They use to have a show called "Black scorpion" it was a late 1990s early 2000s thrist trap show for 10-15 year olds. Great B show with B Acting and action, wonderful over the top super hero/villain dialog. As hilarious as it is horrible, in the so bad its good category. Except when they try and romance the partner. The first two episodes really suck because of her cop partner but after that it picks up. If your into Command and Conquer: Red Alert 2 levels of Hammy acting your in for a treat, the only truly bad and awful part of the show is her cop partner, which is why the first two episodes really suck. But after that your off to the races. There are also a few Black Scorpion movies with a different actress in two of them, but I only saw the one with the Female villain "Aftershock".
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If you don't want to watch every episode I have a few highlights.
Episode 3 has some of the best bad dialog the 1990s could muster, truly glorious. With two of the best Villains of the show Flash point and The Doctor.
Some other highlights
Ep 5 & 11 has Adam west guest staring as a super villain and he is every bit as entertaining as he is on Family Guy
My personal favorites for 90s teen thrist trap and sexy time are...
Ep 9 "No sweat" which has some nice catfights where the Superheroine gets manhandled by another woman.
Ep 14 "Virtual Vice" has a fantastic premise for a mission and the fight scene at the end in the arena was pretty sexy.
Ep 19 "photo Finnish" is not just one of my favorite.... for obvious reasons, but the whole fan base, all 9 of us... for Obvious reasons.... As well it has the good Doctor and Flashpoint as Villians agian.
An honorable mention is S1 ep 13 "Fire and Brimstone". Kind of a bad episode because its heavy on her cop partner, but it has the hilarious Good German doctor in it and he brought his best puns.
All you need to do is watch some old superhero/superheroine shows where there is a new dastardly villain to take down each week. It doesn't even need to be black Scorpion, any episodic super hero show where everything is back to normal next week would work.
Each story would be extremely manageable and would wrap up before it gets to messy, convoluted, and stupid. It would also make a simple game loop that caters to the kinks and fetishs you want. Each "episode mission" would provide the player with some hardcore sexy time without a long drawn out build up. It also wouldn't sabotage the heroine for losing too much, next week new episode, fresh slate, her Identity was saved just in time to keep the story/series going. Then you don't need to worry about all the multiple outcomes for a long story. All "episodes " simply have a win lose outcome. You could keep it going until your ready to do the final big story to the final boss.
My main Idea for Villians is gangs but you has the Dryad and probably a few more for the "Super Villian " category. I personally would use something like the Black Scorpion episode 14 " Virtual Vice" For a Villain with a game over pen to trap GSR in the stimulated gladiator arena for nerds to dunk on with then Lovers lab mods installed.
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Wow, that was an impressive post by you and you really have some amazing ideas!
But sadly I need to destroy your hopes, I will never work on a game "all by myself" again. It´s just too much work for one person, especially if it is just a hobby.
Short note on the writers blockade: I had a lot of things ready for the main story and Noras sidequest, but coming up with the dialogues was the main issue for me, as I am not a native English speaker.
About RPG Maker: I still believe it is a great and easy engine for this kind of game, but if you try to change a lot of things, it can become a mess, I absolutely underestimated it.
Conclusion: I will just be an artist in the future, but I like the idea of creating some short stories to make Jade Shadows story feel less unfinished.
And if anyone likes to continue the game or rework it, just contact me for the data.
I tried RPG maker and made a quick game... then I tried getting non stock assets for it and was shocked that I had to enter them into the database manually with no wizzard or FOMOD install. What a colossal waste of tedious time for them to not have a wizzard feature so your new assets can be dragged and dropped right away.
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Hmm, making them a new tileset category isn´t that complicated. What I didn´t like about it was, that you have to set them up as walls, floors etc. then yourself, because new tilesets are like floors as standard option, this really was annoying and time consuming.
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I never said it was complicated, it I said it was a tedious waste of time. I got like 5 packs to map make they were big sets it would have taken months just to make put them in the tile set. With the same click here and click there routine, im Amazed there isnt a time saving work around like an install wizzard or a FOMOD install.