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A little of what you're explaining is true. He's a college graduate, from say, a state or two over from his original home (name TBD), then he graduates with his degree, moves back in, spends say a month or even the summer churning out backgrounds or kind of "prepping" his game a bit.

Also, I absolutely understand the desires and demands of a lot of people, but at the end of the day, this would be my game and I'd wanna put in what I think is best. So characters like the brothers or Dad will be actual family members with personalities and enjoyable traits. I want the player to feel their frustrations or support by making them likable, same as the MC, hopefully.

That Japanese thing is interesting, I could at least bring in a Japanese character who's very skilled in something that would help benefit the game.

Also, I don't know if I want to state even what it is his game his about. I'd say a Town Game, but I don't think it'd be the same as "Making a game about a guy making a game" because then his life might reflect too much what his game is supposed to be about, and it would break one of the illusions of reality within the game.
You mentioned the family was in Japan a few posts back, so I got confused. For a moment, I thought you were saying the whole thing was in Japan this time since it's only a few towns over.

Having other males around can work as long as they are limited and done well, but in some ways it's like a voiced PC in an RPG, not only does it limit your RP ability by forcing a personality on you, but every bit of resources that go into doing it is time/effort/money that could have been spent on something sexier. Personally, I always groan when I have to interact with the 'best friend' character or whatever, and skip through it as fast as I can, just eager to get through the scene and on to something fun. Like with the Voiced PC example, not only do they take away from the 'fun' parts of the story, but I have to worry about them wanting to get with 'my' girls. :LOL: Back to Milfy, while I like the dad, as I implied before, he has become an impediment to screwing the twins. The Headmaster was just introduced, and while I like him, he is already getting blown by a hot girl I want to myself... :devilish: Hell, even your last rewrite here with Des, letting Tuck have her for so long made me a bit uncomfortable, not that I am complaining. :ROFLMAO:

I agree, at the end of the day, you have to be happy with what you are working on, and I would never presume to tall you what to do, I only make suggestions as they come to mind. Ignore what you don't agree with, I am a far cry from perfect or an expert, when brainstorming, I don't even like all of my ideas, but as I always say, 'even a bad idea, can inspire a good one'. :LOL:

One more suggestion for the moment, don't do the intro as a long exposition, this is true for any story, be it a game, book, movie, or whatever. If you have to have it be long, make it interactive and break it up a bit, have people talk, make jokes, move around some, that sort of thing, give choices if at all possible. Remember the old adage, 'show, don't tell'. Even if it's skipable, no one wants to read an essay before they start a porn game. Try to keep the explanations short and to the point. You can have more detailed info in a help menu, or tooltips or something, if you feel they are warranted.
Remember, STS is more of an adventure game, than a normal visual novel, so you want to allow more interaction than just reading. That said, you also need a balance between the text being too long, and too short, having to click for every word or two is a pet peeve of mine anyway... :whistle:

For a Japanese character, it could be fun to break a lot of stereotypes, like a cross between Eve from STS and the Asian girl from Big Hero 6. She could be loud, affectionate, likes hard rock, not modest, and so on. Here is a suggestion, that is if you do have them/him having lived in Japan at some point, maybe they met while he was there (even if just visiting), and they became friends, but stayed in touch on-line. So, when he starts working on the project, she can help some at first thought e-mails, then eventually he could pay her for some contract work, and eventually it takes off enough that she moves to his town to be better situation to help (and many they flirted a bit over the years and she is a bit interested), this sort of thing works better if you go with the idea that he has made a number of games by the end of the story, having started by himself making one small game that didn't do too well, to running a small studio several games later. We can learn more from our mistakes than our successes after all.

Yeah, it doesn't really matter what his game(s) is(are) about, the inception thing was just something that was making me laugh. One idea is to have his games be parodies of ones you think are at the right level, starting with something that either is very simple, like Akabur's Mating Season or Magic Shop, or worse, something that gates completely abandoned, maybe even those are two possible endings for his first game, depending on the choices made...? Even a failure, where you made some design choice that dooms the project like including a kink that too many of your core supporters hate, some troll starts a smear campaign, or some other random thing that ruins everything. It would be an interesting way to go, neither being a bad end for your game, even if his failed, but it sets him on a slightly different path, and while you might still get to the same place in the end (super awesome game maker), the story changes slightly depending on how each of his projects goes. Each one of the games he makes could be a different chapter in his life, and the game, not to mention it gives you a good reason to spread out introducing new characters as you go, as he will need t expand and talk to ore people for each new game.
 

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For if you're familiar with the project, Summertime Saga is my biggest influence, thematically wise. The MC would be male, around 22, and have some similar appearances to that of the artist Zack Villere, along with aspects of his personality. I feel his laid-back type of weirdo attitude is the good semblance for the MC to have. Physically built though, he'd probably have a little more mass. He works out, but doesn't walk around in shorts and wife beater like so many MC's as well as other tertiary characters do in some 3D games I know of. Here's a quick guide: I'm banning the words "Dreams, Tales, Desires, Destiny, Fate, Town, City, or Torn" be apart of the game. Thanks for all your volunteer work, a lot of that stuff's been helpful.
Lol, fate.
Of course I know Summertime Saga and do happen to like it as well. But if I would see Saga in a game-title (regular or adult), I wouldn't associate it with the Summertime one. Was not familiar with Zack Villere tho, a little image search helped ^^
Let's see... That and your description basically added up to: It's a young dude with some style. It's - it was - better than nothing but not by much :p

I was hesitant to ask for more details, because you might don't want to give too much away, or haven't thought out too many details. Luckily TheDevian took care of that, lol. Dang, he churned out a lot of suggestions that short period of time... I'd need a lot of practice to get anywhere near.

Thanks for all your volunteer work, a lot of that stuff's been helpful.
My pleasure.
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If you don't mind me asking: What's your reason to not even look at tweets here and there? Like I said, I'm not on there either but I don't think having a quick look via link hurts.
This is what my browser showed me for the tweet in question btw:

I'm just curious, if you don't wanna talk about it, no probs :)
 

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Also, I'm very interested in where you guys get your ideas for titles.
Well, the Patreon-titles are easy. Stay vague while giving away a tiny bit of where this *might* be going. You said it's about a guy coming homing and developing a game for Patreon, that's vague enough that you could slap almost anything at that and that's why The Homecoming was one of my suggestions.
The other ones are more difficult cause they go more into detail. So I try to get a feel what this could be about (my info was slim at best) and incorporate something amusing with one of the elements I know to be there:

- Muffin Overflow
(Programming: Buffer Overflow -> too specific for the next guy, but we all like muffins)
- In And Back Again
(Story: it's a garbled quote from Lotr: There and back again, by Bilbo Baggins)
- Pleasing The Crowd
(Patreon: Weak double entendre)
- Models and Manuscripts
(Rendering/Writing: alliterative and that's what it's about, not counting a protag-focus)

In hindsight, writing down those elements would have made it easier, but I'll have that hindsight in the future if necessary ^^
To answer you question directly: Since I don't need this professionally, it's just free-form. I try to get a feel for what it's all about but there was not much to go on yesterday.

Also: I thought that Under Development was a done deal and you were only looking for a subtitle.
That changes things and I'll have to muse a bit about it, right now my imagination is as empty as space.
 
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If you don't mind me asking: What's your reason to not even look at tweets here and there? Like I said, I'm not on there either but I don't think having a quick look via link hurts.
This is what my browser showed me for the tweet in question btw:
I'm just curious, if you don't wanna talk about it, no probs :)
I did look at the twitter, I just can't interact with it in any useful way, sometimes they even block me from seeing certain media, and kept forgetting what it said exactly, so I get confused a lot. :LOL: People send us there to 'vote' on things, or whatever, and I cant.
I did start an account there once, a long time ago, on a system far, far away, but that was just for a contest with a game I was playing, and then it got so annoying I deleted the account. I got sick of 'social media' back when My Space was still popular. :sneaky: This or youtube is as close as I get in general, even using something like 'discord' is not really my thing, but I am trying to get used to it for the game making.

@Dragonflight Yeah, I thought of that too late as well, should have explained the references for some of the jokes. :geek:
 
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Well, the Patreon-titles are easy. Stay vague while giving away a tiny bit of where this *might* be going. You said it's about a guy coming homing and developing a game for Patreon, that's vague enough that you could slap almost anything at that and that's why The Homecoming was one of my suggestions.
The other ones are more difficult cause they go more into detail. So I try to get a feel what this could be about (my info was slim at best) and incorporate something amusing with one of the elements I know to be there:

- Muffin Overflow
(Programming: Buffer Overflow -> too specific for the next guy, but we all like muffins)
- In And Back Again
(Story: it's a garbled quote from Lotr: There and back again, by Bilbo Baggins)
- Pleasing The Crowd
(Patreon: Weak double entendre)
- Models and Manuscripts
(Rendering/Writing: alliterative and that's what it's about, not counting a protag-focus)

In hindsight, writing down those elements would have made it easier, but I'll have that hindsight in the future if necessary ^^
To answer you question directly: Since I don't need this professionally, it's just free-form. I try to get a feel for what it's all about but there was not much to go on yesterday.

Also: I thought that Under Development was a done deal and you were only looking for a subtitle.
That changes things and I'll have to muse a bit about it, right now my imagination is as empty as space.
Yeah, but for the longest time I thought "Tablet Tycoon" was my final thing, but I never really feel set in stone about anything. I don't think one poll will help me narrow it down enough. I'm also always open to suggestions. But things like "Tablet Tycoon", "Under Development" and "Developing/Development Hero" are like top contenders currently.
 
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Ah, gotcha, thx :)
I got sick of 'social media' back when My Space was still popular. :sneaky:
lol
I remember MySpace being a thing but back then I was about other things and getting a viable internet-connection was not in within the realm of possibilities in my situation.
This or youtube is as close as I get in general, even using something like 'discord' is not really my thing, but I am trying to get used to it for the game making.
YouTube gave me the creeps from a user perspective so I closed my account. I 'got' Discord a while ago cause it's hard to get around it if you want to keep up with twitch, or patreon or the like. It's cute but it has its downsides.

@Dragonflight Yeah, I thought of that too late as well, should have explained the references for some of the jokes. :geek:[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you at least got a smirk out of it later then, all's well that ends well ^_^
 

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Yeah, but for the longest time I thought "Tablet Tycoon" was my final thing, but I never really feel set in stone about anything. I don't think one poll will help me narrow it down enough. I'm also always open to suggestions. But things like "Tablet Tycoon", "Under Development" and "Developing/Development Hero" are like top contenders currently.
I misread that as Tablet Racoon and was like 'what the?' first, lol. Tycoon implies a simulator gameplay, so even if it does have a nice ring to it, I'm not so sure about that. And yes, that's coming from a guy that suggested Patron Stimulator, but I didn't know if the game would swing that way :p

I like Under Development, but I can see it causing issue with search results. There have been multiple times where I had to put some serious effort into finding a game with a bland or otherwise problematic name. Still, with a subtitle that wouldn't be a problem.
Hmm... Hero In Development? With a proper subtitle? But I got the feeling that your protagonist is kinda grown and down to earth so that prolly won't work.

I think there are two ways of coming up with a title systematically:

The logical approach by asking myself: What do I want my audience to associate the game with, what's the main emotional-connection they should have when they're not playing?
- Identification with the protagonist
- Looking forward for more of the 'sexy' development process
- The city and it's citizens as a playground that aid the dev and his success
Ideally all of it, but that won't work and that's where a subtitle can help.

Alternatively, what's the feel of the game? That's my go to anyhow.
Lets summarize: Middle aged guy, artist, healthy family and friend environment in a small town. Rise to success on Patreon.
The rest, like his mother in Japan, is interesting and relevant for the game development but not for the title. Lol, there's an 80's song called Big In Japan, but Mom In Japan would do the opposite of what you want.
Also, you won't settle for something silly or cheap like 'Sexy Struggles' (which would tie together climb to success, silly, alliterative, struggling with development and Patreon together; but it's cheap and non-descript.)
I got the vibe that the artistic nature of the guy is an inseparable aspect in all of this, too bad there's nothing Jazz-y about the project. Invoking one of the classic painter that are know for being passionate (Van Gogh, Picasso) might work better.

If thinking about all of that didn't hit me with a title, then yeah, brainstorming seems like the way to go :)
 
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Yeah, but for the longest time I thought "Tablet Tycoon" was my final thing, but I never really feel set in stone about anything. I don't think one poll will help me narrow it down enough. I'm also always open to suggestions. But things like "Tablet Tycoon", "Under Development" and "Developing/Development Hero" are like top contenders currently.
After sitting on it for a day, I am still stuck on Development Hero with the subtitle. I had something else to say here, but then the computer crashed and I forgot all about it... Tablet seems too limited, even if I like the alliteration. Development Demon isn't bad though... :devilish: I mean, not an actual demon, but like Speed Racer is a 'Demon on Wheels'. :LOL:

Ah, gotcha, thx :)
lol
I remember MySpace being a thing but back then I was about other things and getting a viable internet-connection was not in within the realm of possibilities in my situation.
YouTube gave me the creeps from a user perspective so I closed my account. I 'got' Discord a while ago cause it's hard to get around it if you want to keep up with twitch, or patreon or the like. It's cute but it has its downsides.
Sounds like you at least got a smirk out of it later then, all's well that ends well ^_^
Well, since the 90's, I have always done everything I can to stay on line, even if it meant skipping meals. I got on yourtube way before google bought the, and while it keeps getting worse, it's still the best place to show my AMVs and stuff.
 
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Well, since the 90's, I have always done everything I can to stay on line, even if it meant skipping meals. I got on yourtube way before google bought the, and while it keeps getting worse, it's still the best place to show my AMVs and stuff.
It makes sense for a video creator to have an account there, especially if you want to use it for visibility and not for income these days. I'm not doing anything that needs attention by the public eye so social media rage machines like twitter would be counterproductive. Not that that's all there is but I don't need another thing to search through and babysit.
90's... was dial-up time. Nostalgia tells me it was glorious to browse the net, from the anarchist's cookbook to japanese idol sites, or chat with people on Napster. Mah brain tells me that I had to pay by the minute and it was overpriced, but I wouldn't wanna have missed being there. We're getting off topic tho, back to Amity Park, or the Demonic Tablet Hero ;)
 

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Yeah, but for the longest time I thought "Tablet Tycoon" was my final thing, but I never really feel set in stone about anything. I don't think one poll will help me narrow it down enough. I'm also always open to suggestions. But things like "Tablet Tycoon", "Under Development" and "Developing/Development Hero" are like top contenders currently.
Development Hero is the only context in which I could see Hero work, everything else just caused a block. So I took Hero and focused on that for a title. Not just being a subtitle anymore made it significantly harder cause you can't be playful anymore :S Long story short, I think all of these can work for a title but some just can't take on Development Hero. Nonetheless, I like a few of these and for protag/success focus all of 'em work.
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Development Hero is the only context in which I could see Hero work, everything else just caused a block. So I took Hero and focused on that for a title. Not just being a subtitle anymore made it significantly harder cause you can't be playful anymore :S Long story short, I think all of these can work for a title but some just can't take on Development Hero. Nonetheless, I like a few of these and for protag/success focus all of 'em work.
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I, and I cannot stress this enough, LOVE you for making this list, but this may just be the strangest list of suggestions and non-suggestions I've ever heard. This list made me both irrationally mad at one end, and in tears laughing on the other. Absolutely wild. Cheers mate. :ROFLMAO:
 

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My pleasure, really. The moment you put business-lingo in the mix, it all becomes very silly :eek:
Anyhoo, I'm good on thinking of titles for a while, fingers crosses you find the one you want soon! 0/
 

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I found a comic(a porn one) that would be funny(and what i would want) to happen in this game(here is the link to see if you agree and it is an animated comic [ ] if you read it give a few second on each picture because some have words that appear after some time because it is animated especially the last one). Of coarse I'm not asking you to rip the images just hope it would give the maker of this game some inspiration.
 
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I found a comic(a porn one) that would be funny(and what i would want) to happen in this game(here is the link to see if you agree and it is an animated comic [ ] if you read it give a few second on each picture because some have words that appear after some time because it is animated especially the last one). Of coarse I'm not asking you to rip the images just hope it would give the maker of this game some inspiration.
I've seen this stuff before. I really like the work of DBoy, his framing and composition is really good, but Gzone thinks this exact type of content might be a little too FemDom for "Our" Maddie and our content, in general, to blend well with. Some shower stuff might be good though, I agree. Might see just a little of that upcoming, who knows? ;)
 
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I've seen this stuff before. I really like the work of DBoy, his framing and composition is really good, but Gzone thinks this exact type of content might be a little too FemDom for "Our" Maddie and our content, in general, to blend well with. Some shower stuff might be good though, I agree. Might see just a little of that upcoming, who knows? ;)
so you already saw it before and I wasn't ask for FemDom for Maddie as I myself like for the MC to be Dom just the mother/son incest and thought the ending was funny how she said she wanted a divorce at the end when they got caught.( and kind of thought it would be funny if it happened in your game as sometime in the original cartoon Maddie seemed like she was getting sick of her husbands stupidity and even in the cartoon she seem to get along better with her son then her husband(it seem like she had a bit of an obsession with her son though a small one seen as it's a kid show) though because it was a kids cartoon the didn't really fight or divorce.) well thanks for replying and look for to the continued create of this game hope you don't drop it and keep up the good work.
 

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"Now where could Tucker been hiding"
And no. not in the mall. can't find him there at any time of the day.

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Found the problem. You have to max Orgone before you are able to find him in the mall
 
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