VN Ren'Py Angel & Demon [v0.3] [Saint]

[slavegal]

Wow, I can't believe game developers nowadays think of watching porn as a kind of "corruption."

 

[Anteron]

Wow, I can't believe game developers nowadays think of watching porn as a kind of "corruption."

Makes sense if it's for some complete innocent sort.

 

[TexasHoosier]

Really liking this game so far. I'm big into intoxication fetish, hope the drug angle is played up. I don't like the MC necessarily becoming a junkie, but like when a "good girl" develops bad habits, soon becomes fairly hooked, but still more or less under control, if that makes sense.

 

[neronwtf]

The problem with flat chests is how to avoid making a character who looks like a child

Maybe you can visit the

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to get some ideas

 

[Truvelo]

This is a visual novel, but we don't have much influence on the decisions we make, what's the point of choices in this game if they don't matter because we're forced to watch scenes without the option to skip them?

This game reminds me of another game "Lisa", there for a few years now you can't choose to break up with your boyfriend and choose other paths, instead we have to watch every reaction he makes to our decisions and every scene related to him even though most people don't want to do it, it's so boring and stupid, the same mistake was made here, completely wasted potential....

 

[Filipis]

Some people want lesbian content, so I'll see if I can create a female character with small/flat breasts who could potentially be a lesbian love interest for Veronica.
(...)
By design it's not possible (she's in a relationship with a man). But I'll see if I can manage to add a corrupted path where Veronica can become more curious about women.
(...)
The only problem with this is that it adds even more content to develop, and at this rate I'll never be able to finish the game.

I think I see the problem here. Don't make content/paths you don't want or didn't plan on having - even if they are "popular" (I would wager that a lot of those lesbianism fans just want to see more lesbianism in general, especially when it comes to games with a FMC, so take that into account). Don't feel pressured to adhere to these people, especially at the cost of your project. Losing focus is a death-sentence, trying to appease everyone will appease no one, and you will lose fans regardless - potentially more than just declining these suggestions outright.

If you follow the corrupted route of Maria, the incest will disappear (they'll never fuck). The “complete” incest between Maria and Antonio will be for the pure route only.

Now this sounds like a really bad take on subverting expectations. I am well aware of your plans for their stories on corrupted/pure route, but this sounds... bad. Think of it this way: Veronica will have plenty of sex either path you choose, but one will be more "wild" than the other. Helena will have plenty of sex on either path, but only one will have her remain an honest & faithful woman. Now, why do Maria & Antonio fans get punished for going on the corrupted path? I'm not saying you have to change their plotline (getting blackmailed), but completely denying them sex on a corrupted path (corruption & incest are like bread & butter, don't treat them like water & oil) will guaranteed cause negative reactions from the players.

 

[quiboune]

The intro made the game seem super interesting, with Sarah's plot with the baby, then the whole Dom x Mon plot line (and her being so fine with being used as an incubator of sorts, unbelievably hot), I was even hoping Dom would be Sarah's baby daddy, returning to give her and the MC a pair of black babies(besides the one he was already leaving with the Best Friend) before vanishing again. It peaks with the guy making her kneel and the friend guiding her through an oath that binds the MC to him... Then in a single scene both characters, the most interesting characters at that point, died.
I was a little disappointed but, sure, it can still work out. Then not once after that did either of the two fetishes show up again. Older sister's plot is that she makes porn, younger sister is into her twin, I avoided that path but there was something with the priest and mom, the paths with the boyfriend have been both based on being loyal to him and having sex normally...

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Originally, I'd even planned for Dominic to be the very incarnation of this demon with whom she's signed a pact. A mischievous way of making sure he got Monique's soul. His plan was to take control of her like a puppet (hence the violet eyes towards the end) and corrupt another innocent soul (Veronica) if possible. Now I can't quite remember why I didn't choose this idea. At least, regarding Dominic being the archdemon, because the part with the violet eyes on Monique indicates that she is clearly possessed at that moment by the archdemon himself (+ the fact that she is partly taking control of Veronica).

This would have been the hottest thing ever, I'm really sad this isn't what you chose in the end(though there's still time to go back on that, wink wink)...

The writing is not bad and the pacing is good IMO. The renders look great even if a bit too orange at some point, and a few characters' models have some noticeable flaws, but nothing that ruins the experience. I'll keep on eye on this, hoping the story will get more interesting in the future or, even better, changed so past content is improved.

I won't dally on the political aspects of the game, it's just porn and it doesn't matter much, but

I'm neither right nor left

Spoken like a true right-winger.

Godspeed, Dev!

 

[binglebangles]

The problem with flat chests is how to avoid making a character who looks like a child

Easy, hairy legs, hairy armpits, and hairy areolas

 

[Filipis]

The intro made the game seem super interesting, with Sarah's plot with the baby, then the whole Dom x Mon plot line (and her being so fine with being used as an incubator of sorts, unbelievably hot), I was even hoping Dom would be Sarah's baby daddy, returning to give her and the MC a pair of black babies(besides the one he was already leaving with the Best Friend) before vanishing again. It peaks with the guy making her kneel and the friend guiding her through an oath that binds the MC to him... Then in a single scene both characters, the most interesting characters at that point, died.
I was a little disappointed but, sure, it can still work out. Then not once after that did either of the two fetishes show up again. Older sister's plot is that she makes porn, younger sister is into her twin, I avoided that path but there was something with the priest and mom, the paths with the boyfriend have been both based on being loyal to him and having sex normally...

This would have been the hottest thing ever, I'm really sad this isn't what you chose in the end(though there's still time to go back on that, wink wink)...

The writing is not bad and the pacing is good IMO. The renders look great even if a bit too orange at some point, and a few characters' models have some noticeable flaws, but nothing that ruins the experience. I'll keep on eye on this, hoping the story will get more interesting in the future or, even better, changed so past content is improved.

I won't dally on the political aspects of the game, it's just porn and it doesn't matter much, but

Spoken like a true right-winger.

Godspeed, Dev!

It's kinda refreshing to see someone enjoy that intro, when so many people are calling it racist and review-bombing the game because their reading comprehension has been stuck at kindergarden-level all this time: VERONICA'S BEST FRIEND WAS CLEARLY INFLUENCED BY MALEVOLENT SUPERNATURAL FORCES, THIS IS A "PARODY" OF THE USUAL INTERRACIAL RELATIONS PORTRAYED ON THIS SITE AND IS MEANT AS A COMEDIC INTRO TO THE GAME. Simple as that.

 

[Anteron]

Easy, hairy legs, hairy armpits, and hairy areolas

 

[salome]

too long

 

[Saint_RNG]

Now this sounds like a really bad take on subverting expectations. I am well aware of your plans for their stories on corrupted/pure route, but this sounds... bad. Think of it this way: Veronica will have plenty of sex either path you choose, but one will be more "wild" than the other. Helena will have plenty of sex on either path, but only one will have her remain an honest & faithful woman. Now, why do Maria & Antonio fans get punished for going on the corrupted path? I'm not saying you have to change their plotline (getting blackmailed), but completely denying them sex on a corrupted path (corruption & incest are like bread & butter, don't treat them like water & oil) will guaranteed cause negative reactions from the players.

Even if you follow the corrupted choices, you will still be able to switch back to the pure route (for Maria) at the last choice. In the end, Maria/Antonio's pure route will be a “light” corrupted route, but labeled pure because it's still mutual love between two adults.

I'll put a disclaimer before this last choice so as not to confuse players.

It's kinda refreshing to see someone enjoy that intro, when so many people are calling it racist and review-bombing the game because their reading comprehension has been stuck at kindergarden-level all this time: VERONICA'S BEST FRIEND WAS CLEARLY INFLUENCED BY MALEVOLENT SUPERNATURAL FORCES, THIS IS A "PARODY" OF THE USUAL INTERRACIAL RELATIONS PORTRAYED ON THIS SITE AND IS MEANT AS A COMEDIC INTRO TO THE GAME. Simple as that.

I honestly don't understand this sentence (from review) : "Every black guy is an asshole alpha with a huge dong here to corrupt our women..."

Like there's only one black person in the game and it's specifically mentioned that it's parodic/pushed to the extreme.

The second is a... dildo... that's the size of a... dildo (15 cm and it could be any color)...

The third (only mentioned by Sarah and who will appear in v0.4), Mason, will have a 17 cm erect penis, which is a little above average and 8 cm less than Dominic...

And later in the game there would be other blacks with average and below-average penises... (of course, no one could know this yet).

 

[Filipis]

Even if you follow the corrupted choices, you will still be able to switch back to the pure route (for Maria) at the last choice. In the end, Maria/Antonio's pure route will be a “light” corrupted route, but labeled pure because it's still mutual love between two adults.

I'll put a disclaimer before this last choice so as not to confuse players.

Now, see, this is just adding more confusion to the issue at hand. Because, as I understand it, you talked about these paths before, and one of your recurring points was that the paths won't be "locked in" until further into the story - but now you are stating that players can keep Maria & Antonio purely on the corrupted path throughout the entire game, yet still get the "wholesome" Pure route ending... by making a singular choice at the very end?
Is this a response to my feedback, or something that will be possible for all characters & their storylines?

I honestly don't understand this sentence (from review) : "Every black guy is an asshole alpha with a huge dong here to corrupt our women..."

Like there's only one black person in the game and it's specifically mentioned that it's parodic/pushed to the extreme.

The second is a... dildo... that's the size of a... dildo (15 cm and it could be any color)...

The third (only mentioned by Sarah and who will appear in v0.4), Mason, will have a 17 cm erect penis, which is a little above average and 8 cm less than Dominic...

And later in the game there would be other blacks with average and below-average penises... (of course, no one could know this yet).

A part of me is furious at these folks, but a part of me understands: for every Angel & Demon game (that plans to feature wholesome interracial content, or just any interracial content at all) there are dozens of "Blacked House" (that is quite literally, the name of the game, go look it up on this site) games to offset their perception: that all Interracial games will inevitably devolve into "Black Cock Big, White Cock Small, White Woman Must Bang Black Cock".

They review-bomb this game for making a parody of it (with a disclaimer at start that apparently no one bothers to stop & read), but don't deduct any points for the 90% of AVNs with a white MC whose dick size is straight from those wonderful photoshop efforts of the "enlarge your penis" ads.

Bunch of insecure males, afraid that consuming interracial content will somehow mean their wife/daughter/sister will get stolen by a black guy... that they've probably never seen IRL.

 

[Frankbob]

Wow, this VN is quickly jumping to the top of my list of games. I wouldn't listen to any of the complaints about racism or whatever some people are complaining about. The story is great and the possibilities of scenarios is looking really promising.


Keep up the good work dev, don't cave to the haters!

 

[quiboune]

I honestly don't understand this sentence (from review) : "Every black guy is an asshole alpha with a huge dong here to corrupt our women..."

Like there's only one black person in the game and it's specifically mentioned that it's parodic/pushed to the extreme.

The second is a... dildo... that's the size of a... dildo (15 cm and it could be any color)...

The third (only mentioned by Sarah and who will appear in v0.4), Mason, will have a 17 cm erect penis, which is a little above average and 8 cm less than Dominic...

And later in the game there would be other blacks with average and below-average penises... (of course, no one could know this yet).

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you're not going back to the type of content and tonality that the intro had, then?

 

[R1k0]

I don't understand why the developer pays attention to these stupid reviews, on this site the review ratings are just a joke, and in good conscience most of these 1or2/5 ratings should be removed as misleading or as violating the rule that you can't express your thoughts on specific fetishes.

 

[robin312]

I have a mixed feelings about this update as well as second one

Seems like this VN is not for me

I'm a fan of classic single female protagonist games like GGGW where all story concentrated around single person and you need make decisions

This game seems like have multiple protagonists and that means fewer scenes for each of them and extremely slow progression

Also all this stuff with angel and demon is just meh.. Why do we need it? Is it a mystical VN or what? Protagonist can make such decision without angel/demon

So, it's not what I expected at all. It's like completely different game after these 2 updates

 

[Filipis]

I have a mixed feelings about this update as well as second one

Seems like this VN is not for me

I'm a fan of classic single female protagonist games like GGGW where all story concentrated around single person and you need make decisions

This game seems like have multiple protagonists and that means fewer scenes for each of them and extremely slow progression

Also all this stuff with angel and demon is just meh.. Why do we need it? Is it a mystical VN or what? Protagonist can make such decision without angel/demon

So, it's not what I expected at all. It's like completely different game after these 2 updates

Thing is, Veronica is the MC - and her decisions are what will influence the path for all the other characters around her. The developer has already confirmed that future updates will go back to focusing on Veronica and her adventures, but that they wanted to showcase some other POVs with this one. And, to me, that seemed like a good decision... even if Veronica content was "sacrificed" to make that happen: seeing the results of Veronica's choices is always a good thing.

 

[Frankbob]

I have a mixed feelings about this update as well as second one

Seems like this VN is not for me

I'm a fan of classic single female protagonist games like GGGW where all story concentrated around single person and you need make decisions

This game seems like have multiple protagonists and that means fewer scenes for each of them and extremely slow progression

Also all this stuff with angel and demon is just meh.. Why do we need it? Is it a mystical VN or what? Protagonist can make such decision without angel/demon

So, it's not what I expected at all. It's like completely different game after these 2 updates

The angel and demon don't actually have to be real. To me it more dialog for Veronica and they just represent her thought process. It helps give more context to the player so they can make their decision.

Let's be real tho no one wants the pure path the corruption route is much more fun!

 

[nonotme101]