VN Ren'Py Anna Exciting Affection [Ch.2 Ep.17] [DeepSleep]

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SevenCostanza said:
Yes in the beginning the sex is satisfactory but very quickly (basically the next 1 or 2 encounters) everything seems to change and she becomes a size queen. The disease/condition is a major thing I dislike about the story. It's basically a cop out to try to explain why she's doing what she's doing despite supposedly loving the BF so much. Why wouldn't she discuss her condition with him? Why wouldn't she discuss the blackmails with him? Wouldn't it make sense to explain what's going on before she actually does things that would hurt/betray him? He can't be expected to be there for her when she won't communicate what's bothering her. If he does ask her, she brushes it off or lies. If you have to preface the explanation of the disease by including the 'in his mind' part, it wouldn't change the fact that he's still a sucker who is being lied to no? You're kind of making my point for me that any renaissance route would require him to make some kind of sacrifice or accept some uncomfortable truth ultimately making him a sucker. Him helping her get revenge doesn't really make sense either and again makes him look like a spineless loser. A lot of what she does is voluntary so is she really getting revenge or is she just putting on a show for his sake? Basically, if the route is supposed to resolve something from his perspective and give him a win of some kind or some closure, it shouldn't focus on solving all of her problems at his expense while making him an afterthought. I agree there likely won't be a revenge route because no one really cares about him since he was written to be unlikeable, I just find it even less believable that he'd have a renaissance route or some way to win her back.
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I'm sure Deep would be the first to admit that when he began this project, writing wasn't exactly his strongest suit. At the beginning of this game, there was a lot of sloppy writing leaving some pretty big plot holes, which we now have to live with. Since then Deep has become a much better writer and he has Awake to help him. There's also an active community surrounding the game, who are quick to point out any plot holes or sloppy writing, and make suggestions as to how he can rectify such things.

But in any fantasy game like this, there has to be a certain suspension of disbelief. You can't expect every action to be entirely rational. You can try to make it more believable, more plausible, but at some point you have to make concessions that in the real world wouldn't make any sense. That's why analysing a game like this, entirely from a real world perspective, is not the correct one.

You're also making a mistake of seeing the renaissance route from Andrew's perspective. He's not the protagonist, it's not about him. It's about Anna, and how she could continue having Andrew in her life. If Andrew wants to continue being her boyfriend, then he has to make concessions that satisfy her and not the other way around. Otherwise she dumps him.
 
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Oh I know the story revolves around her and he is simply a plot device. I never expected a revenge or even a renaissance route for him. My personal preference is to break up with him asap. I'm simply speculating on how a renaissance route could work and pretty much everything you said reinforces my point. Her not telling him everything, having to accept conditions, him needing her more then she needs him and willing to accept whatever crap he has to endure so she'll allow him to stick around all contribute to him being a pathetic loser with no self respect and I'd hardly call that experiencing a renaissance and definitely doesn't count as him 'winning her back'. If anything he's probably at the lowest point in his life and is just accepting it so he doesn't feel entirely useless and like he's lost everything. Everything described above could easily fit into any of the sharing/cuck routes that are likely to dominate the endings. You could just stick the BF into any of the other major characters endings as a side note saying he couldn't bear to be away from her so he accepted her being Jeremy/Michael/Taxman/Sergey/etc's personal whore and he was lucky enough to be able to support her financially and emotionally. It's impossible for him to maintain any dignity or respect whatsoever as a man. Again I realize it doesn't matter if he wins or gets revenge or maintains respect or anything even slightly positive whatsoever, I'm just saying a renaissance or win her back route just seems super far fetched at this point and I have trouble seeing it come to fruition.
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Once again I have to reiterate, it's not going to be a renaissance of Andrew as a person. It can't be, because he isn't a protagonist. It's a renaissance of his relationship with Anna. Which can only happen if he fits in with her new reality. He has to make concessions, even if that ultimately makes him less of an alpha. Because he obviously cannot compete with the likes of Sergey, Alfred, Timothy, Ashley, Carl, Emily and others in the bedroom. One to one against any of them with sex and he loses everytime. Unless he's ready to accomodate Anna's wishes it's over between them, because she has so many superior options, and he has to make up bigtime for his incredibly stupid decision to take part in Rebecca's Kidnapping
 
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Lack of satisfaction is w/e, that's on her for not communicating that. The obliviousness to the cheating though, i agree with. Wish Deep wrote that better but there's nothing they can do about it now. Also correct me if i'm wrong didn't she enjoy sex with Andrew in their first like 2 scenes?

There are possible ways for him to forgive her while retaining his dignity. If the extent of her disease is explained as something she pretty much has not control over, then in his mind "Anna the Village Biciclye" would be somebody else and not Anna. Another option is for the "Rennaisance" option to only correlate with certain choices, like say maybe Anna can have only fucked ppl she was being blackmailed by, hence leading Andrew to feel guilty he wasn't there for her when she needed him. I highly doubt there would be a revenge option, Andrew doesn't really resonate with anyone, so his revenge would feel largely unsatisfactory for many. A way it could work is he helps Anna get revenge, therefore proving that he's gonna be a better boyfriend than before.
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Both of you are looking at this from the wrong point of view. Nobody will be making decisions for Andrew. Anna will choose what kind of future relationship she's willing to tolerate with Andrew.

And perhaps there will be a choice where Anna and Andrew attempt to return to their default beginning, which would then lead to an immediate bad ending, with Anna eventually starting to cheat again when she finally acknowledges that Andrew is now utterly incapable of satisfying her sexually.

But I suspect the only choice with any chance of success and the only one that will get any sex content, will be if she asks him for an open relationship. That would allow her to continue having encounters with some of the other characters, that would take place on other routes. Or they could add Andrew into them as a voyeur. Time constraints mean you can't have totally separate routes, which means a 'renaissance route' that had sex content totally separate from any others just wouldn't be feasible. There has to be a way of doing it, that allows Anna to have sex content that is shared between multiple routes. And the only way that could realistically happen, is them having an open relationship.

I'm sure they could then make the odd scene with Andrew joining in, especially with one of Anna's girlfriends like Emily, who has a good relationship with Andrew. As well as individual scenes between the two of them, with Anna encouraging Andrew to become more proficient at oral sex and have anal sex with her
 
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Tbh with the comma scenes i think the chance for an open relationship path is a bit gone, but honestly what I would have liked was for Anna to go "well, I love Andrew, but I also want to fuck half the city" and idk, maybe she sets Andrew up with Emily or smth and then goes "see how nice it is to have fun with other people?", and have a path where Andrew is not some pathetic fool who has to "compete" for Anna, but a supporting boyfriend who loves her and is happy to be in a relationship where they love each other and fuck everyone they want.
 
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Shardperson said:
Tbh with the comma scenes i think the chance for an open relationship path is a bit gone, but honestly what I would have liked was for Anna to go "well, I love Andrew, but I also want to fuck half the city" and idk, maybe she sets Andrew up with Emily or smth and then goes "see how nice it is to have fun with other people?", and have a path where Andrew is not some pathetic fool who has to "compete" for Anna, but a supporting boyfriend who loves her and is happy to be in a relationship where they love each other and fuck everyone they want.
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Until relatively recently, Andrew was never going to have a 'renaissance route'. Anna was going to fuck half the city, without him ever suspecting, right up until near the end of the game, when Anna would realise she didn't love him any more, and she'd dump him and move onto another relationship. But then a lot of patrons decided they hated Andrew so much, they couldn't wait that long. They wanted him out of the game, and suggested Deep kill him off, like he did with Jeremy. Which was a bit of a problem, because Anna can't be a cheating slut, if she's got nobody to cheat on.

So Deep decided to have Andrew shot and in a coma for multiple updates. This meant he was still technically in the game, but he didn't have to create any content for Andrew, that would make people hate him any further. In fact the only content we've had with Andrew since then, has looked back to an earlier Andrew, and has tried to give reasons why he became such an unlikeable person. I think there'll be more of this in the future, and it will create the foundations for his 'renaissance route', when Andrew will be reinvented as the kind of person Anna might be tempted to stay with.

I think what has changed, is the acknowledgement that Andrew was kind of set-up as the fall guy in this game, in a not exactly brilliant way. And Deep and Awake want to make the game more realistic, and giving Andrew a chance of some kind of comeback, is one way of achieving this, by showing that Andrew can be more than just a stereotypical pathetic loser.

If you don't eventually choose the 'renaissance route' he still can be a pathetic loser though. So don't worry, if you hate Andrew, you'll still be able to get rid of him. And no doubt witness his subsequent meltdown, which will probably involve lots of drunkeness and gambling away what little money he still has.

I just can't see a 'renaissance route' happening, if it doesn't involve an open relationship. Mainly because of time constraints. It's just the easiest way to include other content on that route. Otherwise the 'renaissance route' will have very little content compared to the others.
 
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Echbert said:
Why do you want Timothy to get a makeover. isn't his whole "ugly" akward nerd thing the whole point of his character?
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Forgot to answer you, sry. Timothy‘s point is, I would say, the nerdy geek, the youngster and the caring good guy. These are his parts in my opinion. but ugly? I would say less attractive but not ugly which never bothered me the first years but after a while and playing other games with similar characters I noticed that Deep tend to make most characters not really ugly or really old.
For an ugly geek he should be way more chubby, maybe even small and with glasses and either a big nose or big ears and pimples on his face. That’s what bothers me personally year after year more and more. Timothy is the only geek guy and yet he still looks not hot but handsome with a resolve small belly, being relative tall and with a soft quite ordinary face. But again he is not the only character who should be updated to fit his character and niche more (especially as long as there are no similar other characters) like also Alfred. For his age he looks still quite „handsome“ and fit and still has a quite young looking body (which caught my eye after I played other games/comics with creators who really made bodies of old guys old and wrinkly) also there is no character with white hat and beard yet which would fit Alfred well in my opinion.

Long story short:
my suggestion would be to make certain bigger characters more characteristic for their character, age etc. aka more stereotype and prominent.
timothy: slightly chubbier, a bit smaller, less groomed hair, bigger nose, pimples /red spots on the skin
Alfred: hair can be still brownish cause it’s very plausible he colours his white or grey hair to not look to old but hey should have more wrinkles face and body wise more age spots and a groomed mustache which is not colorised to show a part of his true age and also shows he is a different generation.

For Timothy it might be too late now (still possible to introduce a similar looking friend of him) but Alfred is still very possible for a small makeover cause you could put it perfectly into the story since ppl his age make quicker jumps in looks (age visually quicker) and he could grow a mustache for good old times sake like… Vegeta tried out growing a mustache in a certain period of this time. Alfred is a gentleman and has a flexible attitude/lifestyle what would fit better than trying things out and let him look even more old gentleman?
But I already gave Deep these ideas/constructive criticism and he never reacted to it.
 
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Any idea how to fix the resolution of image?!! the right side is hidden in both windowed or full screen mod..

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Pogo123 said:
Aswell as hobo I assume
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I'm fairly certain there'll be more content with Benjamin, now that he's been linked to Anna's investigation into Earl's past. As a hobo, Benjamin has intimate knowledge of the murkier side of Sun City, which is probably where Anna will have to go to dig up dirt on Earl.
 
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Echbert said:
Why do you want Timothy to get a makeover. isn't his whole "ugly" akward nerd thing the whole point of his character?
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Timothy won't necessarily get a makeover. But the assumption is, that he will still change as the game progresses. He recently told Anna that he'd started working out at the Gym, so I guess that he may become a little less chubbier in future updates and more toned. And with his growing confidence, he may eventually change the way he dresses, if only to impress Anna.

Personally, I wouldn't describe Timothy as 'ugly' anyway. He's overweight maybe, but that doesn't make him ugly.
 
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