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Again, I'm not arguing that he's some great guy and deserves better. I actually want them to break up. I agree with you he's a subpar and unimpressive person in all aspects of his life and especially in regards to being able to satisfy her. Again, you're making my point for me. She makes the money, does the housework, and isn't satisfied sexually with him. WHY are they still together? Sure they have a past but you've said yourself that she's outgrown him.Her giving in to her desires has nothing to do with immaturity. She has a physiological condition, which makes her incredibly horny all the time. It's like being high on drugs constantly, which means she's always open to temptation, and it requires a huge effort on her part to resist. When people are in that state, it's very very difficult to consider consequences. But unlike people who use drugs, Anna hasn't chosen to be like that, it's the consequence of an accident totally beyond her control. So I think comparing her and Andrew on that basis, is meaningless.
As far as Andrew is concerned, I don't think he's responsible at all. He relies on her to go out and make money, and makes excuses about why he can't get a job. I mean when you're in their position you take any work you can get. And not just wait around hoping to get the perfect job. Even the job he does get, it was Anna who got it for him. If it was up to Andrew, no doubt he'd still be unemployed.
Anna is doing multiple jobs to make a life for them, and then she has to come home and do all the housework, while Andrew sits around watching TV. Never once does he offer to help her. Even Ashley helps her in the kitchen, and he doesn't even live there. If Andrew was responsible as you claim, he'd be trying to support her as much as possible.
And then when they move into their new apartment and Anna is desperate for a romantic night together. Andrew decides it's perfectly fine to go off and hang out with Ashley for a couple of hours in the middle of the dinner. Once again selfishly putting his own desires above their relationship. After that Anna gets drunk, and that's what leads to her finally giving in to her lust and having sex with Alfred ( the first time she truly cheats on Andrew). Andrew's irresponsibility could thus be said to be the main spur for Anna becoming a slut. Perhaps if Andrew had stayed home, maybe she never would have had sex with Alfred, and never would have had sex with Ashley, Carl and Sergey later that week? And maybe then, she never would have realised that Andrew wasn't the best in the bedroom?
My original post was about him being useless and is just a Macguffin to satisfy the cheating aspect and suggested he could be replaced with someone more competent or he shouldn't be depicted as being such a loser that he had to be put in a coma and the rest of the story could still be kept the same. You responded by saying they have history and he was important to her so it's understandable she's with him and so she's conflicted about ending things. At the same time you say he's not dependable and point to all his flaws and argue why she wouldn't be in to him and it's his fault she cheated. Due to their shared past and what he did, she cares for him enough to stay with him but at the same time is unsatisfied and is willing to cheat on him? So she appreciates what he did for her in the past but not enough to stay faithful. Is cheating really the lesser of two evils? Would the bf really prefer she remain with him and have sex with everyone but him then to end things? Personally I'd rather the relationship end then be lied to and betrayed constantly. Sure her condition plays a role but you've mentioned she is able to resist (except the times when the game forces it) but it's a struggle to do so but with the bf it doesn't seem to react at all. So his past help is secondary to her sexual satisfaction. She has numerous reasons to not be with him as opposed to like 1 or 2 reasons to stay with him.
My stance has been the same since the beginning. Someone posted their dislike of the bf character and I just replied that he's only kept around so she can still technically cheat. You replied trying to defend their relationship to try to prove he isn't just a Macguffin and then after some back and forth you basically reiterate everything I said about him not being able to make her happy and how incapable the bf is.
As for what I meant regarding maturity, there are many kinds of maturity and responsibility. I was more referring to the maturity in terms of their relationship which is what you pointed out as your main issue with their relationship. Sure, things like employment and house work etc are things that affect the relationship and their future but I'd say things like sleeping with other people, unwilling/unable to have sex with your partner, sleeping with your partners dad, and constantly lying would be larger obstacles to overcome for a successful relationship and have a far greater detrimental effect. Sure she might feel she was pushed to do those things because of his shortcomings and in the process discovered other people were able to satisfy her and take care of her better then the bf could, so again, what motivation does she have to remain with him at that point? What purpose does he play in the story other then to be the loser who gets cheated on?
I'll stop responding to this topic since we're getting nowhere but I'll end it by saying I'm not advocating to remove the cheating or make her a saint or him some alpha bad ass or them to get together with some happy ending or anything. I enjoy the cheating aspect quite a bit in fact, but when the person who's getting cheated on is totally incompetent and there are no risks, consequences, or repercussions to begin with even when they're conscious, them being in a coma is equivalent to cheating on a dildo. Does it really matter? There's no risk, no consequences, hell they can't even be caught by anyone or exposed. Kind of takes some of the excitement out of it for me personally.