Zara Scarlet

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I agree on all points but there are glaring problems here that really should show Anna that she needs to kick Andrew to the curb. I mean what "loving" boyfriend would kidnap his girlfriends sister? What woman in her right mind would want to have anything to do with any man that jeopardizes the life of her sister? Andrew put his own ambitions and insecurities ahead of his relationship and took his anger and frustration out on Anna by going after Rebecca. Sure, Anna might want an explanation, but for the writer to set her up as some co-dependent woman that blindly follows him around while the person she loves the most in the world is left in mortal danger is just absurd.

It is clear that the writer has set Anna up as a co-depent personality and its pathetic because Anna's actions are quite the opposite. She is more confident than ever, takes action and makes decisive decisions without Andrew even being present. Do you not see the problem there?

Codependency involves an excessive, all-consuming dependence on a relationship. Codependent relationships are ones in which the codependent person goes to extremes to support or change the other person. They set aside their own emotions or desires to keep the other person happy and to protect the relationship at all costs. Common markers of codependency include extreme fear of the relationship ending, compulsive concern with the other person, self-doubt, and not having a sense of self outside the relationship.
Personally, I decided that I wanted Anna to split up with Andrew, a long time before the kidnapping. There are so many things I don't like about him. The problem the Devs have, is that they need Andrew to stay in the story, so Anna has somebody to cheat on. But unfortunately they've made him so unlikeable, that a lot of people just want him to be gone. And I understand why Deep kind of did that, because it makes it infinitely easier for the players to overlook that Anna is basically a cheating whore. Because most people just don't feel bad for Andrew at all.

I disagree though about Anna being dependant on Andrew, I think it's more the other way round actually. To a certain extent Anna feels that she owes something to Andrew, because he helped her cope with her drunken Father, before both of them moved to Sun City. And I think that's why she's reluctant to just give up on him, without hearing what he's got to say about the kidnapping. But I think it's already very apparent that she has considerable doubts about Andrew's character, and whether she even feels the same way about him anymore

I think she's pretty certain that he thought he was doing the right thing, at least for her. There's no love lost between him and Rebecca, they've never liked each other. Rebecca has always thought that Andrew wasn't good enough for Anna, and Andrew has always believed that Rebecca was a bad influence on Anna. So as far as the kidnapping was concerned Andrew would have been thinking solely about Anna's welfare. I think he really does love her, in his own way. But he's never grasped how important Rebecca is to her, and how hurtful it would be to her, for him to help Fitzgerald kidnap her. He really does believe that getting her away from Rebecca will be positive for her in the long run. And that's a further demonstration, that he doesn't really see Anna as she really is. He has this perfect view of her, that most of the time doesn't bear any relation to reality. And that's why it was so easy for Anna to cheat on him, because often he never sees stuff that contradicts his idealised view of her.

Also, you have to understand, it's only been a short period of time that Anna has had these doubts. All of the events in this game, have taken place in a five week period. And she's only really had doubts for the last 2-3 weeks. But she's been in a relationship with Andrew for years, and until recently I think she fully expected to eventually become his wife and have kids with him. So she's not going to just drop all of that instantly, it's going to take her time to get used to the idea, that in most scenarios that isn't going to happen.

For me his part in the kidnapping, was just further confirmation that him and Anna were just totally unsuited. It didn't surprise me at all, that Andrew behaved the way that he did. But having said that, I've always been of the opinion that he should remain in the game. I may not like him at all, but I still think he has a part to play, as long as it doesn't stop Anna's adventures. And of course he wont. He never would have, even if Deep hadn't decided to put him in a coma. Because he was always going to be the fall guy. His primary purpose in the game, was to be the person that Anna cheated on.

And now there's a further reason why he has to remain in the game. And that's because the Devs have decided, that eventually he will get a renaissance route. A chance to make changes to his personality and win Anna back. How exactly they're intending to make someone virtually everyone hates, into a likeable character, I have no idea. But they insist this is something they're are seriously considering. And for that reason, Andrew has to remain in the game, even if he spends a lot of it unconscious.
 

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I agree on all points but there are glaring problems here that really should show Anna that she needs to kick Andrew to the curb. I mean what "loving" boyfriend would kidnap his girlfriends sister? What woman in her right mind would want to have anything to do with any man that jeopardizes the life of her sister? Andrew put his own ambitions and insecurities ahead of his relationship and took his anger and frustration out on Anna by going after Rebecca. Sure, Anna might want an explanation, but for the writer to set her up as some co-dependent woman that blindly follows him around while the person she loves the most in the world is left in mortal danger is just absurd.

It is clear that the writer has set Anna up as a co-depent personality and its pathetic because Anna's actions are quite the opposite. She is more confident than ever, takes action and makes decisive decisions without Andrew even being present. Do you not see the problem there?

Codependency involves an excessive, all-consuming dependence on a relationship. Codependent relationships are ones in which the codependent person goes to extremes to support or change the other person. They set aside their own emotions or desires to keep the other person happy and to protect the relationship at all costs. Common markers of codependency include extreme fear of the relationship ending, compulsive concern with the other person, self-doubt, and not having a sense of self outside the relationship.
I'm using this https://f95zone.to/threads/renpy-transparent-text-box-mod-v2-6-3.11925/ you can see in screenshot what it looks like.
 
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BlasterChief

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So, I finally got to playing the latest version of the VN but ran into two bugs:
- If Ben helps Anna at the police station and she later meets him, trying to refuse his sexual advances results in an exception since the labvel 'industrialStreet' has not been defined.
- On the Jeremy=Dead path Jeremy suddenly is alive again (scene at his home with Anna being surprised by Madison's presence). This only seems to happen when you try a lesbian playthrough with the unavoidable idiot boyfriend as the only male relationship.
 
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Zara Scarlet

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So, I finally got to playing the latest version of the VN but ran into two bugs:
- If Ben helps Anna at the police station and she later meets him, trying to refuse his sexual advances results in an exception since the labvel 'industrialStreet' has not been defined.
- On the Jeremy=Dead path Jeremy suddenly is alive again (scene at his home with Anna being surprised by Madison's presence). This only seems to happen when you try a lesbian playthrough with the unavoidable idiot boyfriend as the only male relationship.
Your problem is you're playing a route, that the vast majority of people never play. So the chances of bugs being discovered on such a playthrough is much much less. For instance, it's very unlikely that the Devs would check out such a route in advance. Because at least 99% of the people who play the game, don't play it that way. I mean in real life, I'm a bisexual woman and I obviously love the lesbian content, and I'm very supportive of lesbian content in the game and advocate it a lot on Patreon and the Dev's Discord channel. But I don't play only lesbian content on any of my playthroughs, and I think very few of the women who play the game, play only lesbian content.

So what you really need to do, is report this on the Dev's Discord Channel, because I know for a fact that Deep and Awake don't visit F95 very often. So the chances of either of them seeing your comment is negligible
 

BlasterChief

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Your problem is you're playing a route, that the vast majority of people never play.
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So what you really need to do, is report this on the Dev's Discord Channel, because I know for a fact that Deep and Awake don't visit F95 very often. So the chances of either of them seeing your comment is negligible
Well, I like to experiment with multiple ways to play a game and wanted to see, how lezzy the game could get given its hetero focus. What I saw led me to the same conclusion.
As for the dev's presence: Thanks for the info.
 

Zara Scarlet

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Well, I like to experiment with multiple ways to play a game and wanted to see, how lezzy the game could get given its hetero focus. What I saw led me to the same conclusion.
As for the dev's presence: Thanks for the info.
I thought about maybe having a playthrough like that. But in the end decided against it. Although I do have one, which is aimed at the possibility of her ultimately ending up with a girl. Because I think Emily may be one of the characters that the Devs are going to allow her to end up with.
 

Zara Scarlet

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Where are the different between the Sandbox & VN Version?
The sandbox version has a point and click map, which requires you to find the locations, where the various scenes occur. Whereas, in the VN version you go to those locations automatically. Also in the VN version some repetitive scenes are omitted. I prefer the sandbox version, because I like knowing whereabouts in the city the various scenes are taking place. And I quite enjoy hunting around on maps for locations, but a lot of people find that kind of thing tedious, which is why we have the VN version.

The big problem with the VN version, is you have wait for several weeks after the sandbox version is released, before you can get to play it. Which means if you visit this forum, you're going to see a lot of spoilers, from people who played the sandbox version.
 
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Pogo123

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Just navigation i think, limited freedom of movement of character around places and map. Pointless extra clicking if you ask me and many others.
pointless extra clicking - if you argue like that the never play rpgmaker stuff
 
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