VN Ren'Py Abandoned Another Man's Wife [v1.092] [Too Perilous]

[Nafig]

That's your opinion. Not all of us felt that way about the wife.

The MC is not the "good guy" in this game. Never was. The whole premise at the beginning of the game was "I want to fuck a hot woman who isn't my wife. Let's see if I can manipulate my wife into fucking another guy so that she can't get mad at me fucking the other woman." There are a couple of ways that the MC tries to do this, depending on which path/confidence you play, but it always starts with the MC wanting to get his wife to give him permission to fuck another woman.

The problem is that people who self-inserted experienced a bunch of cognitive dissonance that they didn't expect. She wasn't a "shitty" person, she was the person created by these actions/reactions. MC tries to force her into being with someone else, she does it, then some players got mad that they succeeded at the thing they tried to do. Then they complained that the game wasn't going the way they wanted. Some players wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

All that said, why didn't the people who think the "main woman of the game is shitty" or "an unlikeable piece of shit" just move on? Honestly, I would love to hear one person explain to me why they kept playing the minute they decided that they didn't like the main female protagonist.

You are manipulating the concepts of cause and effect. The reason for all the decisions of the MC is a consequence of manipulation on the part of Steph. All decisions of the MC are based on false information.
It all started at a Christmas party. Steph's ego demanded to rise above Tori in the group sex skills competition. Steph boasted to a stranger (at the party they were not yet friends) about her rich gangbang experience. She can’t tell her husband, but she can brag to Tori. Steph is the cause of all events.
The role of the MC in the game is determined by three functions: the MC agrees, the MC is happy, the MC forgives everything. If Steph piles up a bunch of crap, the MC will justify it HIMSELF, he never scolds, objects or argues with Steph. A natural question arises: what is Steph afraid of? If on Friday night, after work, the MC sees Steph fucking the football team at home, he will sit with the eyes of an imbecile, the smile of a zombie and forgive everything. Steph absolutely does not know MS, with whom she has been married for four years.
It's funny to watch the miracle of the Immaculate Conception happen on a Friday night. This evening Steph turns into an immaculate virgin. Suddenly all Steph’s vast gangbang experience disappears. She doesn't know that she can get drunk, she doesn't know that she loses control when adding alcohol + sex. Steph turns into a teenager who goes to a party for the first time, tries alcohol for the first time, sees a dick for the first time. Mysteriously, all of Steph's previous experiences disappear. For three days, Steph pretends to be a virgin who accidentally entered a brothel (there is a photo of Steph “the best worker” on the wall).
MC CANNOT MANIPULATE Steph, you cannot manipulate a person who knows ALL the information. It is Steph who is manipulating MC, all decisions and actions of MC are based on false information. Steph could ALWAYS stop things, admit it (if Steph only needs the MC's opinion), but she always only wants a gangbang. On Saturday morning, Steph doesn't demand the MC to talk, she demands Donny's dick. All MC decisions are one big mistake, the REASON for the error is Steph’s lies.

 

[SlapE]

You are manipulating the concepts of cause and effect. The reason for all the decisions of the MC is a consequence of manipulation on the part of Steph. All decisions of the MC are based on false information.
It all started at a Christmas party. Steph's ego demanded to rise above Tori in the group sex skills competition. Steph boasted to a stranger (at the party they were not yet friends) about her rich gangbang experience. She can’t tell her husband, but she can brag to Tori. Steph is the cause of all events.
The role of the MC in the game is determined by three functions: the MC agrees, the MC is happy, the MC forgives everything. If Steph piles up a bunch of crap, the MC will justify it HIMSELF, he never scolds, objects or argues with Steph. A natural question arises: what is Steph afraid of? If on Friday night, after work, the MC sees Steph fucking the football team at home, he will sit with the eyes of an imbecile, the smile of a zombie and forgive everything. Steph absolutely does not know MS, with whom she has been married for four years.
It's funny to watch the miracle of the Immaculate Conception happen on a Friday night. This evening Steph turns into an immaculate virgin. Suddenly all Steph’s vast gangbang experience disappears. She doesn't know that she can get drunk, she doesn't know that she loses control when adding alcohol + sex. Steph turns into a teenager who goes to a party for the first time, tries alcohol for the first time, sees a dick for the first time. Mysteriously, all of Steph's previous experiences disappear. For three days, Steph pretends to be a virgin who accidentally entered a brothel (there is a photo of Steph “the best worker” on the wall).
MC CANNOT MANIPULATE Steph, you cannot manipulate a person who knows ALL the information. It is Steph who is manipulating MC, all decisions and actions of MC are based on false information. Steph could ALWAYS stop things, admit it (if Steph only needs the MC's opinion), but she always only wants a gangbang. On Saturday morning, Steph doesn't demand the MC to talk, she demands Donny's dick. All MC decisions are one big mistake, the REASON for the error is Steph’s lies.

I don't know which of you if giving the correct information, but yeah I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case considering all the shit I've heard about Steph.

 

[Surprise & Delight]

You are manipulating the concepts of cause and effect. The reason for all the decisions of the MC is a consequence of manipulation on the part of Steph. All decisions of the MC are based on false information.
It all started at a Christmas party. Steph's ego demanded to rise above Tori in the group sex skills competition. Steph boasted to a stranger (at the party they were not yet friends) about her rich gangbang experience. She can’t tell her husband, but she can brag to Tori. Steph is the cause of all events.
The role of the MC in the game is determined by three functions: the MC agrees, the MC is happy, the MC forgives everything. If Steph piles up a bunch of crap, the MC will justify it HIMSELF, he never scolds, objects or argues with Steph. A natural question arises: what is Steph afraid of? If on Friday night, after work, the MC sees Steph fucking the football team at home, he will sit with the eyes of an imbecile, the smile of a zombie and forgive everything. Steph absolutely does not know MS, with whom she has been married for four years.
It's funny to watch the miracle of the Immaculate Conception happen on a Friday night. This evening Steph turns into an immaculate virgin. Suddenly all Steph’s vast gangbang experience disappears. She doesn't know that she can get drunk, she doesn't know that she loses control when adding alcohol + sex. Steph turns into a teenager who goes to a party for the first time, tries alcohol for the first time, sees a dick for the first time. Mysteriously, all of Steph's previous experiences disappear. For three days, Steph pretends to be a virgin who accidentally entered a brothel (there is a photo of Steph “the best worker” on the wall).
MC CANNOT MANIPULATE Steph, you cannot manipulate a person who knows ALL the information. It is Steph who is manipulating MC, all decisions and actions of MC are based on false information. Steph could ALWAYS stop things, admit it (if Steph only needs the MC's opinion), but she always only wants a gangbang. On Saturday morning, Steph doesn't demand the MC to talk, she demands Donny's dick. All MC decisions are one big mistake, the REASON for the error is Steph’s lies.

Sure, if you believe that the story Steph told in the last two updates was true, then that's what happened. Of course, all of the plot holes you note in the third paragraph (the "Immaculate Conception") only contradict that story.

Funny how none of that was the case at the beginning of the game or for the first 6 or so updates.

Not arguing this with you because you were complaining about Steph months ago, before any of the story was "revealed." Still for the life of me I don't understand why you haven't moved on. You hated the game early in development, you hated the game late in development, and you hate the game after it's been abandoned. Why are you so obsessed with it, that you are still in the thread?

 

[Surprise & Delight]

/thread
The way some of you be acting towards the wife like she hurt you irl lmao, It just a game

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Fa real!!

 

[BangB420]

All that said, why didn't the people who think the "main woman of the game is shitty" or "an unlikeable piece of shit" just move on?

No no you don't understand, the women need to follow every of MC wishes and have to be super nice to me because otherwise I can't handle it

 

[BangB420]

You hated the game early in development, you hated the game late in development, and you hate the game after it's been abandoned. Why are you so obsessed with it, that you are still in the thread?

again /thread

 

[Surprise & Delight]

I never played the game, because of what everyone said about Steph. I didn't know really much at all about the MC, or most of the plot of the game. All that says to me though is that, both the MC and Steph aren't good people, it doesn't change my opinion at all about Steph though. It's straight up cope if you think the MC manipulating her at the beginning of the game suddenly turned her into a shitty person, that's delusional.

Sounds like even more reason to never want to play this game to be honest, the only way I would even be excited if this game came back is if it was a remake, that made the main two characters more tolerable.

I don't hope for any games downfall, unless the dev(s) are straight up scammers or lie to their community/fanbase over and over. I have no reason to wish failure for the devs of this game. If the game ends up coming back, even if it's not a remake, I'll be glad for the people who did enjoy the game in it's original state, even if it's not for me.

So yeah, it is my opinion. Steph IS however, without a doubt, a shitty person. It sounds like the MC isn't so innocent either, sounds like they may be two peas in a pod. Maybe they were meant for each other?

Everything you said here is fucking weird. "I never played the game but I know the main character is a shitty person." Give me one specific thing that she said or did that makes you believe she is a shitty person. And the bullshit backstory from the last two updates doesn't count, because people called her shitty before that. I'm sure you'll talk about the glass of water which is the dumbest complaint I ever heard. I can't believe that grown ass men have been making it for the better part of a year. Other than that, what?

 

[Kakasan]

the MC is a loser, he found proof that she went somewhere and didn't tell him, if it was in another game he would confront her for not telling him where she went.
Only after a long time does she explain that she went to meet Tori and he accepts in a good way With that stupid smile.

It was supposed to be a simple game but it dragged on until it was abandoned, in my opinion, in the end, it should have been discussed right at the beginning of the game about the receipt Then again when she went to flirt with the guy at the bar, when she told him about her story he would break up with her and live happily with the blonde.

 

[BangB420]

the MC is a loser

aww did the MC remind you a lil too much of yourself? It happened to a lot of people on this thread who then proceed to complain

 

[BangB420]

Other than that, what?

It's called masculine insecurity

 

[SlapE]

Steph is a manipulator, pushes blame, deflects, isn't sincerely apologetic, and is selfish. I'm basing this from everything I've read from before and after all that info you're talking about was revealed. I'm not saying the MC isn't also some of these things, but you're being really disingenuous with your opinions here. It's okay if you're a simp who wants to defend a character with shitty qualities who isn't a great spouse, but just admit that you're into shitty characters, instead of trying to spin it into something that it's not.

As for you Mr. anyone who disagrees with me is insecure (BangB420). All you do is spam one liners, and project your own bullshit onto others, so you're going straight onto the list, as you are useless to any conversation or topic on here.

I'm officially done with this thread, the only people left are those having a conversation about why the game failed, and those who gobble on game dev's dicks when they feel offended and that the game they like is being attacked.

Putting it on ignore that way I'm not even tempted to come back to waste time with these Steph apologists.

 

[BangB420]

Steph is a manipulator, pushes blame, deflects, isn't sincerely apologetic, and is selfish. I'm basing this from everything I've read from before and after all that info you're talking about was revealed. I'm not saying the MC isn't also some of these things, but you're being really disingenuous with your opinions here. It's okay if you're a simp who wants to defend a character with shitty qualities who isn't a great spouse, but just admit that you're into shitty characters, instead of trying to spin it into something that it's not.

As for you Mr. anyone who disagrees with me is insecure (BangB420). All you do is spam one liners, and project your own bullshit onto others, so you're going straight onto the list, as you are useless to any conversation or topic on here.

I'm officially done with this thread, the only people left are those having a conversation about why the game failed, and those who gobble on game dev's dicks when they feel offended and that the game they like is being attacked.

Putting it on ignore that way I'm not even tempted to come back to waste time with these Steph apologists.

Okay "I never played the game but I know the main character is a shitty person." whatever you say, whenever you learn to form your own opinions instead of regurgitating other people's opinions come back

 

[EnterYourNameHere]

At least the dev uploaded the game on steam so people will be able to buy a abandoned game.

 

[Joshy92]

I almost deleted my account on here when this was abandoned that's how upset I was. If people hated Steph so much they should have just moved on. Now I'll never get to see what was going to happen.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Everything you said here is fucking weird. "I never played the game but I know the main character is a shitty person." Give me one specific thing that she said or did that makes you believe she is a shitty person. And the bullshit backstory from the last two updates doesn't count, because people called her shitty before that. I'm sure you'll talk about the glass of water which is the dumbest complaint I ever heard. I can't believe that grown ass men have been making it for the better part of a year. Other than that, what?

The problem with the glass of water, wasn't the glass of water. The issue was Steph lied and manipulated her husband to fuck Donnie on the sly. If you think that is dumb and find that acceptable well good luck with your future relationships if you're happy to be treated with that much disrespect.

If my wife pulled that shit with me there would be hell to play, not that I have to concern myself with it, she would never dream of treating me with that much disrespect. Just as I would never treat her with that much disrespect. Our open relationship is built of respect for each not disrespect like that.

 

[Surprise & Delight]

The problem with the glass of water, wasn't the glass of water. The issue was Steph lied and manipulated her husband to fuck Donnie on the sly. If you think that is dumb and find that acceptable well good luck with your future relationships if you're happy to be treated with that much disrespect.

If my wife pulled that shit with me there would be hell to play, not that I have to concern myself with it, she would never dream of treating me with that much disrespect. Just as I would never treat her with that much disrespect. Our open relationship is built of respect for each not disrespect like that.

She didn't lie and manipulate anything. I'll assume that they were having a threesome in your playthrough. So MC goes to grab a glass of water for Steph and two of the three people who were already fucking continued fucking. That's not disrespect.

Let's change the scenario just slightly. Let's say all three of them are fucking in a threesome. MC has to take a piss. Do Steph and Donnie also have to stop everything until he gets back? To me, one person demanding that high of a level of control over what is supposed to be a pleasurable experience for three equal people is the disrespect. Sounds to me like an open relationship built on obedience, not respect.

And once again, when judging Steph, we have to remember that this entire experience was based on MC wanting to fuck Tori w/ Jason ---- Steph wouldn't even be there! I guess what's good for the gander isn't ok for the goose at all.

 

[Nafig]

She didn't lie and manipulate anything. I'll assume that they were having a threesome in your playthrough. So MC goes to grab a glass of water for Steph and two of the three people who were already fucking continued fucking. That's not disrespect.

Let's change the scenario just slightly. Let's say all three of them are fucking in a threesome. MC has to take a piss. Do Steph and Donnie also have to stop everything until he gets back? To me, one person demanding that high of a level of control over what is supposed to be a pleasurable experience for three equal people is the disrespect. Sounds to me like an open relationship built on obedience, not respect.

And once again, when judging Steph, we have to remember that this entire experience was based on MC wanting to fuck Tori w/ Jason ---- Steph wouldn't even be there! I guess what's good for the gander isn't ok for the goose at all.

Are you sure you've played this game? Go through it again. MC does not go for water on his own initiative, it is an order from Steph. A special quote from Steph for you: s "Yes I sent you to get water to get you out of the room." Steph MANIPULATES MC, she deliberately kicks MC out of the room so she can fuck Donny WITHOUT A HUSBAND. Until the latest version of the game, in all the sex scenes after the bar, Steph always made an effort to fuck Donny without the MC. On the route with Gina, she orders MC to get out of the bedroom and not stop her from fucking Donny. Steph always manipulates the MC.
Open marriage is not MC’s personal initiative; Jason put this idea into MC’s head during his advertising campaign. He made this offer as a result of the Steph/Jason/Tori conspiracy. Steph knew about the offer and was happy about this fact. On a wave of euphoria, Steph will soon have a gangbang; in the evening at home she sucked off MC without taking off her skis.
Steph constantly lies to MC, she lies that she only wants answers. Steph receives all answers on Friday. Give an example of a scene where, having received answers on Friday, Steph confesses to MC. Steph CONSTANTLY LIES and MANIPULATES MC.

 

[Surprise & Delight]

Maybe because the whole situation with the offer to fuck the coworkers wife arose because MCs wife was desperately craving MMF threesomes and instead of telling her husband, she searched for ways to manipulate him into it, before MC even had the idea. And even if she had this desire herself, she completely freaked out on MC for suggesting the same. Even after she got her wish fulfilled, she doesn't have the courtesy to let MC come to the same score, but instead is openly planing to fuck another guy in his absence (not drinking water...), what was from what I remember never ever part of the agreement. Furthermore, it isn't so that the player had any real choice in this matter, and was railroaded into these choices you criticize for MC. ...

Like I said in the post you quoted (and others before), everything except your last sentence was shoe-horned into the plot in the last two updates, when the dev bowed to complaints. So I'm not going to continue to engage with that.

Your last sentence is accurate. I agree completely that the MC did not have a choice as to what direction he wanted to go into AND ALSO continue the game. There are several places throughout the first few days (5 or 6 updates, iirc) that the player can make a choice that leads to a game over. The player had all of these choices, in addition to the overarching meta-choice of not continuing to play a game if they didn't like the game. No one was "railroaded" into continuing to play---and complain about---a game they didn't like.

 

[Surprise & Delight]

Are you sure you've played this game? Go through it again. MC does not go for water on his own initiative, it is an order from Steph. A special quote from Steph for you: s "Yes I sent you to get water to get you out of the room." Steph MANIPULATES MC, she deliberately kicks MC out of the room so she can fuck Donny WITHOUT A HUSBAND. Until the latest version of the game, in all the sex scenes after the bar, Steph always made an effort to fuck Donny without the MC. On the route with Gina, she orders MC to get out of the bedroom and not stop her from fucking Donny. Steph always manipulates the MC.

How long does it take someone to get a glass of water? Maybe where you come from, sex is over in the time it takes someone to get a glass of water. But where I come from, at best it would be just a couple of minutes where Steph and Donnie are alone together, and then I'd be right back with them, continuing the threesome that all three of us got into together.

Also, for the record, I am only talking about the high confidence route. On other routes, there is no presumption of Steph or MC being faithful to each other. Though, since MC brought Gina home without asking Steph, with the obvious intention of fucking her, then Steph fucking Donnie is fair game. Again, MC is the one who started it.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

She didn't lie and manipulate anything. I'll assume that they were having a threesome in your playthrough. So MC goes to grab a glass of water for Steph and two of the three people who were already fucking continued fucking. That's not disrespect.

Let's change the scenario just slightly. Let's say all three of them are fucking in a threesome. MC has to take a piss. Do Steph and Donnie also have to stop everything until he gets back? To me, one person demanding that high of a level of control over what is supposed to be a pleasurable experience for three equal people is the disrespect. Sounds to me like an open relationship built on obedience, not respect.

And once again, when judging Steph, we have to remember that this entire experience was based on MC wanting to fuck Tori w/ Jason ---- Steph wouldn't even be there! I guess what's good for the gander isn't ok for the goose at all.

I sincerely think your judgement is being clouded by all those here arguing in bad faith - when they might come from a place of veiled misogyny. Try and tune that out for a moment.

If I was having the first threesome with my girlfriend as an MFF with a girl we met in a bar, I would TOTALLY understand if she felt wistful or got weird if I told her "babe, can you go get me something to drink?" and when she came back the other girl had ramped up the sexual intensity with me.

In my mind, it's not about trying to control the other party, it's about being respectful of your gf/bf's feelings. Particularly during the first time swinging with a significant other, I'd expect both parties be very delicate and considerate with each other. It would be a different context if they had been doing this for months or years.

I didn't get hung up on the water scene as much as others did - my beef was more with the 3rd act Jason/Tori stuff, at the same time I see their discomfort over it as valid.