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Grumpy Old Aussie

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She didn't lie and manipulate anything. I'll assume that they were having a threesome in your playthrough. So MC goes to grab a glass of water for Steph and two of the three people who were already fucking continued fucking. That's not disrespect.

Let's change the scenario just slightly. Let's say all three of them are fucking in a threesome. MC has to take a piss. Do Steph and Donnie also have to stop everything until he gets back? To me, one person demanding that high of a level of control over what is supposed to be a pleasurable experience for three equal people is the disrespect. Sounds to me like an open relationship built on obedience, not respect.

And once again, when judging Steph, we have to remember that this entire experience was based on MC wanting to fuck Tori w/ Jason ---- Steph wouldn't even be there! I guess what's good for the gander isn't ok for the goose at all.
Going for a piss is side stepping the issue completely and your snide little remark to imply I'm sexist belittles your argument and is way off. I already ran this by my wife and she is of the same opinion as me, and to quote her, "Don't even think about pulling that shit with me." I do agree the MC is an asshole for what he does and Steph is an asshole for her role. They are both assholes for what they are doing to each other in the bar knowing what we know by the time we get to Steph's reveal. So now we have established everyone is an asshole and dealt with the red herrings you want to throw in to the argument, back to the game.

Steph TELLS him that she did it deliberately to trick him. Its got nothing to do with her being male or female or going for a piss or who said what an hour ago in the bar. Or that she is a woman. Those things are irrelevant. It is one spouse deceiving the other and Steph ADMITS that is what she did. If Steph had been honest and said to the MC she wanted one on one time or lets use your scenario, MC went off for a piss, then that's fine, play on, who cares. That is not what happened. She sent him off on a fake errand that she confesses she did deliberately to get him away so she could make Donnie happy and she got off on the whole situation that she deceived her husband. You don't pull that shit on your spouse in their own bed in their own home, I don't care if your the husband or the wife. Its disrespectful. If you think that sort of disrespect is okay then good for you, don't dismiss it for those of us who have an issue with being deceived.
 

Grumpy Old Aussie

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I sincerely think your judgement is being clouded by all those here arguing in bad faith - when they might come from a place of veiled misogyny. Try and tune that out for a moment.

If I was having the first threesome with my girlfriend as an MFF with a girl we met in a bar, I would TOTALLY understand if she felt wistful or got weird if I told her "babe, can you go get me something to drink?" and when she came back the other girl had ramped up the sexual intensity with me.

In my mind, it's not about trying to control the other party, it's about being respectful of your gf/bf's feelings. Particularly during the first time swinging with a significant other, I'd expect both parties be very delicate and considerate with each other. It would be a different context if they had been doing this for months or years.

I didn't get hung up on the water scene as much as others did - my beef was more with the 3rd act Jason/Tori stuff, at the same time I see their discomfort over it as valid.
Yes exactly. I only would add one thing. My wife and I play, we are continually checking in on each other. We don't even think about it, we just do it almost like a reflex action. Always connecting by touch or eyesight or verbally. Its a constant action for us that we automatically do or learnt to do over the years. She is more attuned than I am, she knows what I'm thinking before I do most of the time. We want to know each other is okay, that each other is enjoying themselves, that each other is safe. Its just respectful to ourselves and each other. We put each other first. Its nothing about control. We aren't trying to control the other, we just want to make sure each other is okay.

The only time there may be 'control' is when one of us says no, then its no for both of us. That's it, no arguing its finished. We don't even ask each other why. Of course we discuss it later and things didn't start out that way in the beginning, but we learned that was the best way to do things, to trust each other because we know the last thing either of us wants to do is hurt each other. Its enough if one of us says no, we figure it is better to miss out on something we can always do again another time then to risk hurting our relationship. Its not perfect, but it works for us 99% of the time.
 

BangB420

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If people hated Steph so much they should have just moved on
You should ask them that because till this day people still hating on Steph instead of moving on. If the game does come back, people will come back and still shit on Steph. The damage is done and it will be very hard for the Dev to reverse it hence why they abandoned.
 

D2taA

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I wished he would have left it the way it started, on Friday nite after dude left she was talking about wanting a superpower. And how he wouldn't always be around when she would use her super power to seduce men. But everyone started coughing their panties up whining n shit bout her. After that it turned into some weird convoluted story. Kills me is he was prolly listening to the NTR haters who don't even like wife stories, they like the incest stuff where u bang ur mom and sister. Sometimes you just got to stay your path, and in this cause he didn't and tried to make a bunch of babies happy. Don't know if he knows this or not but babies cry a lot.
 

holy_cat

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Stop hating on the game and just move on :coffee:
1. It’s a pity the game has been abandoned. It was one of the better games here, anyway.

2. Maybe there was no alternative to the abandonment, after all. After a good start, the developer found himself in a tailspin trying to satisfy conflicting expectations. And how to get out of this chaos? In this case, devs can milk users by releasing meaningless updates (I may give specific examples, but I don't want to), or they can clearly state that the game will not be further developed. And I appreciate this second approach, although - as I wrote - I regret the decision.

3. I’ve gone through (part of) the discussion here. Folks, it's just a game. Main characters can be shitty (both male and female), they can become more or less shitty in the course of a game, as it happens in books or in RL. Don’t you think that it would be very boring if the behavior patterns were always the same? Live and let live (and this should be applied also to MCs, including Steph, may she rest in peace, with any partner of her choice ;) ).
 

metamorphMP

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Live and let live (and this should be applied also to MCs, including Steph, may she rest in peace, with any partner of her choice ;) ).
not sure it fits here, cause we are stuck with Steph and are forced to play along and tolerate whatever bullshit she does. It would be the case if we could tell her to fuck off, move on and like you said - "live and let live", but we can't.
MC is not much better btw, but he is a saint comparing to his wifey (only my opinion of course)

I also read discussion here, I played the game a while ago and started playing it thinking it is a netorase/swinging game (at least this is how Dev presented it) where both characters are equal and honest with each other, they want to spice things up and are looking for some new experiences, but at the same time they DO respect each other and act accordingly, this is how swinging works, at least for me.
At some moment though this game just started leaning towards cuck direction instead, whether you are on a so-called "high confidence" path or not.

So I perfectly understand the backlash, it was bound to happen. Even though I never shit on Developer and his game, I think in the end of the day - it's well deserved, this is what happens when you promise one thing and deliver smth entirely different.
 
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holy_cat

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we are stuck with Steph and are forced to play along and tolerate whatever bullshit she does. It would be the case if we could tell her to fuck off, move on and like you said - "live and let live", but we can't.
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this is what happens when you promise one thing and deliver smth entirely different.
I understand your point though I do not fully share it. Initial promises or game descriptions quite often are different from reality (I mean, implementation). It's life, so we should accept it - or in the case we do not accept, there is always another solution. Instead of "live and let live", just "leave".

However, for me it's much more interesting to "live" than to "leave", even if my MC's behaviour is out of my, sorry for psychological gibberish, comfort zone.
 

asahibito

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I was hoping the developer will at least offer a cleaned up 1.092 script as a final update. Sure it does not make them money directly but at least it will be a gesture of goodwill for future endeavors.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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Used Stephanie 8 & Natalie HD for Stephanie 8 blend to get the following dressed in X-Fashion Crow Lace Lingerie for Genesis 8 and 8.1 Females.... The skin seems right and hair for sure... But the face and body are way off lol View attachment 3630882
agreed, the jaw is too broad there. I'd keep the skin and just play around with various different heads. Usually creators (not using pirated stuff) dont stray too far from the source, so I'd first try stuff from the Stephanie 8 pro bundle, like the Xanthe head shape or Natalie head shape.

Bodies are easy enough to do with hand morphs.
 
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Used Stephanie 8 & Natalie HD for Stephanie 8 blend to get the following dressed in X-Fashion Crow Lace Lingerie for Genesis 8 and 8.1 Females.... The skin seems right and hair for sure... But the face and body are way off lol View attachment 3630882
Steph's face always looked so familiar to me. Could it be Victoria 7 for Victoria 8, or an XMorph of one of the models based off of Victoria 7?
 
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